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For those who want a QB in round one next year. An early scouting report.

No guarantee Bell is back next year. It is likely he gets tagged again unless they can figure out how to pay him something he will accept.

I agree that Landry has shown he is not the QB of the future. With the players we have we need a good QB. We will find out all too soon how life without Ben is and I don't want to be one of these teams that's so so every year without a franchise QB.

with Ben off the books, we have enough to sign Bell to some ridiculous ******* contract. or tag his *** again next year and find his replacement. He'll be 26 after the season and has 4 more years before hitting that RB cliff. we just have too young and good of a team to not stay at the top of the AFC and be perennial SB contenders.
 
Just remember, every season you waste giving a ****** QB like Landry Jones a chance to prove he is a ****** QB is a season of wasting exceptional talent like Brown and Bell.


The light didn't come on for Landry Jones in season f'n 4 against the f'n Cleveland Browns. Even a blind squirrel...
 
God knows you have to get a QB early, there is NEVER any quality QB's beyond pick #20.

I would guess more successful QB's are drafted after #20 than before. Marino, Moon, Montana, Brady, Brees .......

Crap shoot, luck ,and good systems as well. Would anyone know Tom Brady's name if Bledsoe wasn't almost killed on the field? Would Montana have been a good qb in any system besides the West Coast offense that Walsh pioneered? Warren Moon ran the run and shoot effectively until people realized it only works between the 20 yard lines. plus, I don't see Tomlin or Haley having the ability to mold an offense to a young QB nor the ability to develop and mentor a young QB.
 
In general, if your QB isn't a 1st or 2nd round talent, he ain't gonna be good enough. That doesn't mean that being in that group means you are good, but if you aint in that group, the probability of you making it is low.

Del showed the chart a while back proving it, although that chart was skewed for 6th rounders because it included Brady and one other. Otherwise, there was a pretty clear leaning toward post 2nd rounders not making prolonged starters, IIRC. Obviously, there are exceptions, but if you are playing expected values, go with 1st or 2nd round talent.
 
Just remember, every season you waste giving a ****** QB like Landry Jones a chance to prove he is a ****** QB is a season of wasting exceptional talent like Brown and Bell.


The light didn't come on for Landry Jones in season f'n 4 against the f'n Cleveland Browns. Even a blind squirrel...
It could be even worse than Landry too.

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I want a QB with some good size whose first instinct is not "I'm going to run the ball", I.e. a "running" QB. you are a QB, your job is to run the offense and throw the ball. Occasionally, if you have to run, **** happens. If you run when you see your first or second targets are covered, no thanks.
 
Just remember, every season you waste giving a ****** QB like Landry Jones a chance to prove he is a ****** QB is a season of wasting exceptional talent like Brown and Bell.


The light didn't come on for Landry Jones in season f'n 4 against the f'n Cleveland Browns. Even a blind squirrel...

Ok but inevitably if you pick late or dont get a top tier free agent it is for sure just as much a crap shoot. Landry has size and appears do be developing appropriate accuracy.
 
Can we sign and trade Bell to Cleveland ( He's from Ohio ) in exchange for the Browns 4th overall pick and select RB Saquon Barkley?

We'd save 12 million or so in cap space, giving us ANY ILB or S in free agency we want.

Besides Rb's seldom last long.

I'm fine with that trade, but that high, I'm taking a QB not a RB.
 
Can we sign and trade Bell to Cleveland ( He's from Ohio ) in exchange for the Browns 4th overall pick and select RB Saquon Barkley?

We'd save 12 million or so in cap space, giving us ANY ILB or S in free agency we want.

Besides Rb's seldom last long.

1) Pretty sure Barkley won't last until #4, as Cleveland, Indy, and Giants all need help at RB.
2) NO WAY Clowns are trading with us for such high caliber player/pick as we are intra-division and rivals.
3) If by some miracle of God in this merry ol' Land of Oz dream scenario, I would cream myself.

I'm fully on board with the rationale that RBs have the shortest shelf life.
I do believe Bell has two, maybe three more elite level seasons and then will start falling off the cliff.
He wouldn't accept a 3 year contract. He said he wants paid, which means a long term-er with a ridiculous signing bonus to spread out over many years.
He'll be 26 in a month. No way I'm giving him a 5+ year contract. Four would be max, and even that makes me nervous.
We may have to tag him again this year, and watch him walk the following year, ala Kirk Cousins this year. I'd rather get something in return before that happens.
 
I honestly think Ben will be back next year, and beyond. The mf'er is just way too competitive to leave it on the table. He has one of the best rosters (offensively) in the NFL, and one of the best since he's been here. Listen to anyone who has played basketball, golf, ping pong, etc., they all say he is insanely competitive at everything he does. I just can't see him walking away from another chance at a ring, and leaving all that $$$$$$$$$$$$ on the table as well.
 
1) Pretty sure Barkley won't last until #4, as Cleveland, Indy, and Giants all need help at RB.
2) NO WAY Clowns are trading with us for such high caliber player/pick as we are intra-division and rivals.
3) If by some miracle of God in this merry ol' Land of Oz dream scenario, I would cream myself.

I'm fully on board with the rationale that RBs have the shortest shelf life.
I do believe Bell has two, maybe three more elite level seasons and then will start falling off the cliff.
He wouldn't accept a 3 year contract. He said he wants paid, which means a long term-er with a ridiculous signing bonus to spread out over many years.
He'll be 26 in a month. No way I'm giving him a 5+ year contract. Four would be max, and even that makes me nervous.
We may have to tag him again this year, and watch him walk the following year, ala Kirk Cousins this year. I'd rather get something in return before that happens.

1 ) Well the Browns have the first pick. Assume they go Qb It has been 800+ Days since the Browns won a road game, and they are 1-31 in the past two seasons.

The second pick is the Giants, who are planning for life after Eli. Assume QB here.

The third pick is Indy. The top needs are ILB, OL, and Edge.

Then there is the Browns at pick #4 Barkley should be on the board here.

I know its fantasy talk, but a Qb, and Bell would give Browns fans hope. And I'll take the cap savings, and Barkley

2 ) The Browns are dumb. Bell is an Ohio boy, and might be pissed at the Steelers. They cut Haden knowing we can pick him up. Sure they can trade with us :)

3 ) I would be very happy if this trade happens!!! Our offense would be a big play waiting to happen with Barkley's explosiveness.
 
Pretty sure there won't be any left



John Harbaugh: Drafting a quarterback something we’ll talk about


“I do not think that jeopardizes Joe at all,” Harbaugh said, via the Baltimore Sun. “He is our guy, and I am excited about our chances next year having a great season, and Joe is too. If we draft a quarterback, if it turns out to be the thing we do, it is only going to make our team stronger.”

While the Ravens may not be looking for a replacement right now, the prospect has likely crossed their mind. Flacco’s dealt with back and knee injuries with his 33rd birthday approaching and his contract is getting close to a point where the Ravens could realize cap relief by moving in a different direction.

That doesn’t mean things will play out this way, but three straight years out of the playoffs should probably mean nothing’s off the table as the Ravens try to find a winning mix for the future.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ting-a-quarterback-something-well-talk-about/
 
No way Harbaugh truly believes Flacco is "their guy" anymore
 
1 ) Well the Browns have the first pick. Assume they go Qb It has been 800+ Days since the Browns won a road game, and they are 1-31 in the past two seasons.

The second pick is the Giants, who are planning for life after Eli. Assume QB here.

The third pick is Indy. The top needs are ILB, OL, and Edge.

Then there is the Browns at pick #4 Barkley should be on the board here.

I know its fantasy talk, but a Qb, and Bell would give Browns fans hope. And I'll take the cap savings, and Barkley

2 ) The Browns are dumb. Bell is an Ohio boy, and might be pissed at the Steelers. They cut Haden knowing we can pick him up. Sure they can trade with us :)

3 ) I would be very happy if this trade happens!!! Our offense would be a big play waiting to happen with Barkley's explosiveness.

It's all fantasy.....

A. Bell will be franchised. That means Cleveland will need to give up 2 first rounders. It isn't happening, not with their new GM who is a very good one.

B. Gettleman has already said Eli is the QB for the Giants, has several more years left and there is no need for snap decisions on QB position at this point.


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No way Harbaugh truly believes Flacco is "their guy" anymore

three straight years out of the playoffs


This makes me giggle


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They are all coming out


Louisville QB Lamar Jackson declares for NFL draft


Louisville quarterback Lamar Jackson has declared for the NFL draft after a record-setting college career that included the 2016 Heisman Trophy.

Jackson, also a Heisman finalist in 2017, announced his decision Friday morning on Twitter. He's the first player in college football history to record at least 3,500 passing yards and 1,500 rushing yards in consecutive seasons, and he set Louisville records for total offense (13,175 yards), rushing yards (4,132), rushing touchdowns (50) and total touchdowns (119).

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/s...cardinals-qb-lamar-jackson-declares-nfl-draft
 
I don’t go QB unless Ben does retire. We are too close to use a first round pick on a guy who likely rides the pine. I am ok with drafting a QB but I say round 5, 6, or 7. A late rounder I like is Nic Shimonek. Not a lot to go off with his one year starting but career wise he has 39 tds vs 11 ints. He has a live arm and good size at 6-3 225lbs.


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I don’t go QB unless Ben does retire. We are too close to use a first round pick on a guy who likely rides the pine. I am ok with drafting a QB but I say round 5, 6, or 7. A late rounder I like is Nic Shimonek. Not a lot to go off with his one year starting but career wise he has 39 tds vs 11 ints. He has a live arm and good size at 6-3 225lbs.


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Agree only way I draft a QB in 1 is if the Steelers view one as a can't miss franchise caliber.

And at 32 none should be available.

No ILB /FS/WR/TE/CB gets my attention for BPA>
 
Here are my thoughts on the players and how I rank them as of 10-20-17, and yes I have seen them all play.

The first comment, this is a good QB year, but not quite as good as the media is claiming! There might only be one " Franchise QB " of the bunch.

Rosen. Rosen comes from an athletic family sort of surprised me a bit because he looks like a lanky type of kid. But he's somewhat athletic. Rosen is young and can add a bit to his frame. His accuracy, decision making, and arm are all very good, and he has brought his team back from behind. The concern with Rosen is he could be a " Hollywood type " , and there is stuff out there his teammates really don't like him a lot. But as a QB prospect, he's the best of the bunch in October 2017...I think.

Rudolph. Rudolph has been under the radar, but its hard to ignore his TD to interception ratio ( 19-4 ), size ( 6'5" 230 ), and completion percentage. ( 66.7% ). He's also a threat to run and score with 6 ground TDs. He does have a top talent at WR, but I say so what. The guy looks like a winner to me and could skyrocket up the mock draft charts once someone tells Mel Kiper how good he really is.

Jackson. Jackson is super athletic. He can run like the wind and jump. But what type of quarterback is he? His completion percentage is a little low at 60.2% ( 56.9% for college career ) and he was shut down vs. the Clemson defense. The good news is he takes care of the football and doesn't have a lot of interceptions. However, I do not think he will fare well as a passer vs. an NFL Defense. His skinny frame scares me a bit to the point where if he doesn't alter his playing style, he's going to get hurt. But he could fit with a running based team with a good defense ( because he doesn't turn it over often ) and that scares me a bit because the Steelers are one of those teams.

Darnold. Darnold has not impressed me in two viewings. This guy thinks he's Brett Farve, except he doesn't have that special type of arm to pull off what Favre did. He's hot-headed or if you prefer very competitive, but his emotions get the best of him too often. While the tools are there to be great, I saw some stuff I did not like and his accuracy is just okay. Could be a real boom or bust type of pick. Right now I do not think he's worth trading up to obtain and think he should stay in school if possible unless he has a strong close for the year. Fair or not, beware of hyped USC QB's like Sanchez and Leinart. While I did not think either was good NFL prospects or QB's the hype attached to them wasn't a good thing for their development.

Allen. Allen is hard to evaluate because he doesn't have a good OL or skill players to work with. The accuracy is not there yet, but the arm and toughness are top notch. He might have the best upside of the bunch, but he'll need a year or two to hit his stride. Similar in some ways to Carson Wentz who's finally playing like a top 5 NFL pick. Another boom or bust type of pick, but there's something about this guy that makes me think he has a chance to be special.

Stidham. Only a sophomore, his accuracy, and TD to Interception ratio in the SEC are most impressive! In 17 games played the young Stidham has 20 TD's and 4 Int's, with a career 66.8 competition percentage. He doesn't throw it a lot though, which could be coaching. Is he just a good game manager, or perhaps something more? The arrow here is pointing ^^^

did you write these both 4 days apart?

https://scout.com/nfl/steelers/Board/103198/Contents/The-top-Qbs-for-the-2018-draft-109386788
 
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If he did, its a travesty that he's using such a great player evaluator as his signature.
 
i had to google that name, didn't know who Joel Bushbaum was.
 
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