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how was this not a fumble?

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in the Broncos/Seahawks game, Demaryius Thomas jumps and catches the ball in the middle of the field. He begins to turn and the ball is poked out by the DB. Referee on the field ruled a fumble. Replay over-ruled and said incomplete.

my understanding is he had two feet down. Then he went to turn upfield, exposing the ball. It was poked out and the above happened.
 
was discussing it with my boss.
 
Who gives a damn?

I don't know, I for one like to see the games called correctly. Perhaps you'd be find with throwing ******* darts at a board to determine fumbles/completions/touchdowns, but I would rather the ******* calls be right. I'm kind of a dick that way.

Joe
 
And the short answer is it now takes more than two feet down, however, it no longer takes two feet down and a football move. Now I'm not sure why it's not just two feet down anymore, but ever since the whole "must maintain possession while going to the ground" bullshit, you can have three feet down, fall out of bounds, and if the damn ball pops out, it's an incomplete. They've made the rules so damn fuzzy, this kind of thing ends up happening.

Joe
 
and that's what I didnt understand.

Thomas clearly had possession of the ball. He started to turn when the DB poked it out.

Years of football past, that would be 100% a fumble.
 
I was being funny, dude. Take a chill pill.

My apologies, but I've seen this said, and said seriously before here. People act like if you discuss another game, somehow you're a dolt. And when we discuss officiating in our own games, we're just making excuses, which is horseshit. The calls should be right. I can see in the 70's when the technology wasn't there, but with all the cameras, the bottom line is we WILL see it at home when you screw up, and it WILL be obvious, so getting it right is a lot more important now.

Joe
 
The answer to your original question is "the refs suck." This is the NFL, did you actually expect competence in the referees? Next topic.
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and that's what I didnt understand.

Thomas clearly had possession of the ball. He started to turn when the DB poked it out.

Years of football past, that would be 100% a fumble.

Yep, now there is some sort of "possession clock" the annoucers keep saying if it's "bang bang" they are going to call it incomplete even if there are two feet down. Again, not sure what the hell they mean by bang bang, but that's the term I keep hearing.

Joe
 
Seattle beat writer's tweet:

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Earl Thomas forces fumble of Demaryius Thomas and Seahawks back in business at the Denver 36.
5:29 PM - 21 Sep 2014


Bob Condotta @bcondotta
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Ruling reversed after replay and it's called incomplete pass. Receiver "did not have ball long enough'' says Vinovich.
5:33 PM - 21 Sep 2014
 
And the short answer is it now takes more than two feet down, however, it no longer takes two feet down and a football move. Now I'm not sure why it's not just two feet down anymore, but ever since the whole "must maintain possession while going to the ground" bullshit, you can have three feet down, fall out of bounds, and if the damn ball pops out, it's an incomplete. They've made the rules so damn fuzzy, this kind of thing ends up happening.

Joe

Yeah, I hate the whole "football move" thing, ever since that game a few years ago (Indianapolis, maybe?) where Troy intercepted a pass, ran half-way across the field before fumbling, and they ultimately called it an incomplete pass.

The problem with the "football move" is that it's like the Supreme Court's definition of pornography: "I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it."
 
You have to take 3 steps after completing the catch.
 
You have to take 3 steps after completing the catch.

ah, but even if it's in the end zone?
if that's true, what happened to the two-feet-down rule?
 
you have to take 3 steps, turn up field and also smile for the cameras before you or the ball can be touched by a defender after the catch
 
just watch any NFL game....

if a team is getting beat fairly bad....the calls start going in their direction...

it is a trend that can't be denied....especially in nationally televised games...

all about keeping viewers engaged..
 
Watched it at the time the guy they pay to analyze the rules said it would be over turned because he didn't make a football move, even though he got both feet down he never had a chance to move so it was simultaneous.

Stupid if you ask me, like you say both feet were down.
 
and it seems that in the NFL of today the first 2-1/2 steps you are a "defenseless receiver" and you can't touch them...:rolleyes:
 
Just get rid of the "Football Move" clause.

Possession is already defined by 2 feet down with a firm grip on the ball. Everything after that should be a fumble. **** football moves, take the thought out of it, and make it a simple play to judge.
 
The answer to your original question is "the refs suck." This is the NFL, did you actually expect competence in the referees? Next topic.
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It's not the refs it's the commish and his complete annihilation of what was the nfl
 
Football has a lot of bad rules, but nothing is worse than what constitutes a catch because no one knows anymore.
 
Football has a lot of bad rules, but nothing is worse than what constitutes a catch because no one knows anymore.

And that's just the way Roger wants it. The "rules" are such a cluster **** now, no one knows what constitutes anything!

I miss the game before Goodell.
 
Here are the current rules straight from the NFL rulebook


COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete
(by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).

Note 1: It is not necessary that he commit such an act, provided that he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.

Note 2: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He mustlose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.

Item 1: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Item 2: Sideline Catches. If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of making a catch at the sideline, he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or the pass is incomplete.

Item 3: End Zone Catches. The requirements for a catch in the end zone are the same as the requirements for a catch in the field of play.

Note: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, after which contact by a defender causes the ball to become loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.

Item 4: Ball Touches Ground. If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control of it, it is a catch, provided that the player continues to maintain control.

Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

Item 6: Carried Out of Bounds. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass.
 
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