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November mock draft

With other teams having QB issues (Texans, Vikings, etc.) and potentially drafting QBs, and given they will be picking before us in the draft, we would be hard pressed to find a decent QB in next year's draft
 
Steelerfan said:
With other teams having QB issues (Texans, Vikings, etc.) and potentially drafting QBs, and given they will be picking before us in the draft, we would be hard pressed to find a decent QB in next year's draft
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Texans have a starter, with a torn ACL. They aren't drafting another R1 QB next year. It is likely that they draft a back up or sign a scrap heap QB to backup Watson better than what they have.

Vikings have two starting QBs, one they just IR'd and one they brought back. If he's healthy they are trading Sam Bradford next year.

Its time for us to get the best QB in the draft we can get. Ben's days are numbered.
 
antdrewjosh said:
I have seen no where enough of Dobbs to make any kind of determination of him..he did some good and bad things. Also remember he was facing no 1s alot due to Ben not playing and Jones's injury. The game had to be going very fast
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I saw Dobbs during his time as a Vol.
I'd seen enough to know that he's good. Not great, but good. He's better than Landry, but not what you'd want in a starting-every-week NFL QB.

here's the current rankings for QBs in the next draft per WalterFootball

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018QB.php

1. Lamar Jackson*, QB, Louisville
Height: 6-3. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round (2018): 1.
11/2/17: In 2017, Jackson has completed 60 percent of his passes for 2,808 yards with 18 touchdowns and six interceptions. He is averaging 6.3 yards per carry this season for 1,029 yards and 14 rushing touchdowns on the ground.

Jackson has an amazing skill set with a powerful arm that allows him to make throws off platform that many NFL quarterbacks couldn't even dream of making. He is tough in the pocket, knows his scheme well, and has amazing athleticism and speed as a runner. Jackson looks like a taller and right-handed version of Michael Vick.

In speaking with a general manager who has scouted Jackson this season, he said this, "[The Cardinals] depend on him too much, and he's trying to do it all. I think he has a learning curve. He will need the right system and right coach, but he's super-talented. [Jackson] suffers with accuracy issues."

Jackson was inaccurate in the first half against Clemson in Week 3, completing only 8-of-20 passes for 83 yards. In the second half, however, he racked up garbage-time yards and completions against backups as Louisville lost 47-21. Jackson completed 21-of-42 passes for 317 yards with three touchdowns and one interception for the contest.

7/17/17: Jackson set college football on fire in 2016 while winning the Heisman Trophy. He was a massive point-producer for the Cardinals. Jackson completed 56 percent of his passes for 3,543 yards with 30 touchdowns and nine interceptions on the year. He also ran for 21 touchdowns and 1,571 yards while averaging six yards per carry.

Jackson has a good athletic skill set, but will need to show more accuracy and pocket-passing skills in 2017. He also faces some size concerns and needs to add weight. Teams do feel that Jackson has a ton of athletic ability and upside to grow. He also has gotten good early reviews for his character, leadership and toughness.




2. Josh Rosen*, QB, UCLA
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2018): 1.
11/2/17: On the year, Rosen has completed 63 percent of his passes for 2,713 yards with 20 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He left UCLA's last game with an undisclosed injury. It is believed to be a hand or finger injury.

Rosen had a mixed outing in a loss to Stanford in Week 4. Previously, he completed 34-of-56 passes for 463 yards with four touchdowns and two interceptions in a loss to Memphis. Both of his interceptions against the Tigers were bad decisions, and one was returned for a critical pick-six. He was lucky a few more of his passes didn't turn into a few more interceptions.

Rosen had a legendary Week 1 performance, leading one of the greatest comeback wins in college football history. UCLA was down 44-10 in the third quarter before Rosen led the Bruins back to a 45-44 victory over Texas A&M. On the evening, Rosen completed 35-of-58 passes for 491 yards with four touchdowns.

The top-four draft-eligible quarterback prospects for the 2018 NFL Draft are USC's Sam Darnold, Louisville's Lamar Jackson, Wyoming's Josh Allen and Rosen. Of them, Rosen has the best mechanics and is most natural pocket passer. He throws a tremendous ball and can really spin it. Rosen's tight spiral helps him to get his passes through tight windows and beat good coverage. He has serious arm talent along with field vision and pocket presence. Rosen also works under center, which has been rare to see with college quarterbacks in recent years. He has also illustrated that he has some faults and isn't a dual-threat running quarterback

7/17/17: Rosen completed 59 percent of his passes for 1,915 yards with 10 touchdowns and five interceptions over his six games of 2016 before being sidelined by shoulder surgery. Rosen is a pocket passer, but there is already talk that his character and leadership are lacking. Some team sources have told me that Rosen is disliked by a lot of teammates.

Rosen had an impressive debut as a freshman, completing 60 percent of his passes for 3,670 yards with 23 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He showed off a powerful arm and the ability to be an NFL pocket passer. While Rosen has gotten a ton of hype, the same thing happened with Christian Hackenberg after his freshman season. Thus, Rosen still has more to prove as a junior to be a high first-rounder.


3. Sam Darnold**, QB, USC
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2018): 1.
11/2/17: In 2017, the redshirt sophomore has completed 62 percent of his passes for 2,558 yards with 20 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Darnold has had an up-and-down season with too many turnovers - fumbles are a particular issue.

Darnold had some early mistakes before leading a comeback win versus Utah. Previously, he bounced back with a solid performance against Oregon State after an upset loss to Washington State. Against Washington State, Darnold was 15-of-29 for 164 yards with zero touchdowns an interception. He notched two rushing touchdowns in that contest, but also lost a game-ending fumble. Darnold threw some great passes against Stanford, displaying his accuracy, arm strength, vision, anticipation and touch. He completed 21-of-26 passes for 316 yards with four touchdowns and two interceptions.

Darnold needs to improve his decision-making, eye movement, and confidence. He has admitted that confidence has been an issue for him this season. Earlier in the day of the Trojans' upset loss to Washington State, a scout who was doing tape study of USC quarterback Sam Darnold texted me that they thought Darnold was a good prospect and should end up being a quality starter in the NFL, but he thought Darnold was being overhyped as a "can't miss" elite-quarterback prospect. They felt that Darnold was not better on tape this season than Mitch Trubisky or Deshaun Watson were last year.

7/17/17: Darnold was very impressive as a redshirt freshman in 2016. Sources say that while they haven't studied Darnold extensively, he jumped out at them as being a potentially special quarterback. Darnold completed 67 percent of his passes in 2016 for 3,086 yards with 31 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He has size, a strong-enough arm and accuracy, plus led USC on a nine-game winning streak to end last season. There is buzz of him being a No. 1-overall talent at the position. Team sources say that the early feedback is that Darnold has good intangibles as well.




4. Clayton Thorson*, QB, Northwestern
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2018): 1-3.
11/2/17: Scouts who were through Northwestern told me that they were impressed with what they saw from Thorson on tape and in practice. Thorson has shown that he has pro potential in terms of his skill set. He can throw the deep out with a fastball that can be fit into tight windows. Thorson also has quality mechanics with a quick delivery. Scouts say that he has a super strong arm, is smart, athletic, and has improved as a junior.

If Thorson played at a big-time program, some team sources think he would be the top quarterback in the 2018 NFL Draft. Thorson's mistakes come from trying to do too much as his supporting cast is terrible and if he doesn't make a play for Northwestern, nobody else will. His performance in the fourth quarter against Wisconsin was extremely impressive.

Scouts say that they anticipate giving Thorson a second-round grade, unless he falls off with his play. At the same time, they think he could rise in the leadup to the 2018 NFL Draft. The reason for that is he a good leader who gets along well with all of his teammates. While Thorson is a devout Christian, he knows how to be one of the guys and get along with the different groups in the locker room. They think that evaluators could fall in love with Thorson during the interview process.

In 2017, Thorson has completed 61 percent of his passes for 2,044 yards with 10 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He has four rushing touchdowns, too. His numbers are held back by a terrible offensive line, awful wide receivers, and zero play-makers at his disposal. Thorson completed 59 percent of his passes as a sophomore for 3,182 yards with 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions.

According to sources, Thorson is likely to return for his senior year unless he grades out as a first-rounder for the 2018 NFL Draft.


5. Josh Allen*, QB, Wyoming
Height: 6-5. Weight: 222.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2018): 1-3.
11/2/17: Thus far this season, Allen has completed 56 percent of his passes for 1,450 yards with 12 touchdowns and six interceptions. He has three rushing touchdowns as well.

Prior to a three-touchdown game against Texas State, Allen had his third ugly game of the season, even though Wyoming beat Hawaii. He was only 9-of-19 for 92 yards with a touchdown against the Rainbow Warriors. In Week 3 versus Oregon, Allen completed only 9-of-24 passes for 64 yards with an interception. He completed 22-of-32 passes for 328 yards with two touchdowns and zero interceptions against Gardner-Webb.

Allen was running for his life all day against Iowa to open the season. The Wyoming offensive line was dominated by the Hawkeyes, and Allen got no help from his supporting cast. He also made mistakes of his own accord, including two ugly interceptions, and there easily could have been at least one more interception that was dropped by Iowa linebacker Josey Jewell. Allen ended up completing 23-of-40 passes for 174 yards with two interceptions and zero touchdowns. Overall, Allen showed his big skill set with size, toughness, athleticism, and a strong arm. There were plays where he looked like a young Ben Roethlisberger. There were other plays where Allen showed bad decision-making and inaccuracy.

Allen will probably be a high pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, but some of his performances in 2017 indicate that he could be a work in progress who will need some developmental time. His completion percentage and interception total from 2016 provide evidence for that assessment, too.

7/17/17: Allen became a discussed prospect late in the 2016 season, but he wisely decided to return to Wyoming. He has a good skill set, and some draft analysts were projecting him high in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft, but one general manager told WalterFootball.com that he had Allen as a third-day prospect and thought Allen should improve before going pro. Scouts from other teams say they think Allen is a top-of-the-draft prospect and compare him to Ben Roethlisberger, so Allen could end up being a love/hate prospect. There is no doubt that he has superb physical talent to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. In 2016, Allen completed 56 percent of his passes for 3,203 yards with 28 touchdowns and 15 interceptions.


6. Luke Falk, QB, Washington State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2018): 2-4.
11/2/17: Falk has completed 68 percent of his passes this season for 2,576 yards with 22 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Some team sources are intrigued with Falk as they like his pocket-passing potential and accuracy.

In speaking with scouts, they say that Falk has an above-average arm. While his accuracy is his best strength, he does have issues seeing coverage and will throw into coverage. The same sources also label Falk as a thin-framed player who will need to add weight for the NFL. Additionally, Falk lacks escapability and mobility, but sources compared him to Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins.

7/17/17: In 2016, Falk completed 70 percent of his passes for 4,468 yards with 38 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He has a quality arm to hurt teams from the pocket, but his numbers are inflated by a college spread offense.

Falk also needs to work on moving his eyes and working through progressions rather than locking on to one receiver or one side of the field. Falk always operates out of the shotgun, so he will need to learn how to work under center and understand the associated footwork with taking three- and five-step drops. Falk will have to learn to call plays in the huddle, too. There are a number of quick throws and bubble screens that the Cougars run that won't translate to the NFL as well.

There were some media reports that Falk would enter the 2017 NFL Draft. He said those reports were false and eventually decided to return for his senior year. In 2015, Falk completed 69 percent of his passes for 4,561 yards with 38 touchdowns and eight interceptions. As a freshman, he completed 64 percent of his throw for 1,859 yards with 13 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Falk should continue to put together big stat lines playing in Mike Leach's offense.



7. Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2018): 2-4.
11/2/17: Rudolph is a love/hate prospect in the scouting community. One team source likes Rudolph, but many others are skeptics. A general manager of a playoff team told me they had Rudolph graded on the third day of the 2018 NFL Draft. Another NFC general manager said he thought Rudolph could go on Day 2. An AFC college scouting director of a playoff team said they were giving Rudolph a fifth-round grade. One area scout said that they were really concerned with how Rudolph struggles throwing into tight windows, because he won't have receivers running wide open like they have been for him at Oklahoma State. Given the big discrepancy, Rudolph could go in the early rounds, because it only takes one team to fall in love. Many teams don't like him, however, and have his grade low.

Rudolph will need development as a pro. He will have to work on his shaky accuracy and field vision, and get used to playing under center and calling plays in the huddle. Rudolph is also not very athletic though he has good size with average arm strength. Going through progressions and reading the field are problems for Rudolph, and he has to improve there for the NFL. His anticipation is terrible, too, and that will have to improve for the pros, or he could be taking a lot of sacks from holding onto the ball too long.

Rudolph didn't have his typical performance as TCU dropped Oklahoma State. He completed 22-of-41 for 398 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions against the Horned Frogs. Previously this season, Rudolph lit up Tulsa, South Alabama and Pittsburgh. Rudolph didn't play well against Texas and had a plethora of interceptions dropped versus West Virginia.

Rudolph has completed 66 percent of his passes this season for 2,866 yards with 22 touchdowns and five interceptions.

7/17/17: Rudolph completed 63 percent of his passes for 4,91 yards with 28 touchdowns and four interceptions in 2016. He ran for six scores as well. Rudolph (6-5, 235) has good size, but he needs work on his field vision and transitioning to a pro offense.

Rudolph has nice size with an arm to deliver the ball downfield. He throws nice touch passes and locates passes well. However, Rudolph is going to need a lot of work on his field vision for the NFL. He rarely works beyond his primary read and constantly stares down his first option. In terms of his longer-term development, Rudolph was wise to return for his senior season. He should focus on improving his field vision to work through progressions before going pro. Along with improving his footwork, working on being under center, and learning how to call NFL plays.


8. Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
Height: 6-2. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2018): 3-4.
11/2/17: Mayfield has completed 73 percent of his passes so far this season for 2,628 yards with 23 touchdowns and three interceptions. He also has three rushing touchdowns. Mayfield led Oklahoma to an impressive road win at Ohio State, but lost a shootout at home to Iowa State.

Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength. He can have issues reading defenses. One big area for improvement for Mayfield is his footwork as he gets happy feet in the pocket. One college scouting director told me that Mayfield's feet are terrible.

In speaking with one NFL general manager, they said they liked Mayfield and had a fourth-round grade on him. Their team always grades quarterbacks hard, and they like how Mayfield has played this year. He could end up being a second-day pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.

7/17/17: In 2016, Mayfield completed 71 percent of his passes for 3,965 yards with 40 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He picked up six rushing touchdowns as well. Improving his field vision, feel, and pocket passing are necessary for Mayfield to have any chance of being an early round prospect. He is a good college quarterback, but not a pro-caliber signal-caller.

Mayfield stepped up in 2015 and carried the Sooners late in the season as they earned a spot in the college playoff. He was a Heisman finalist as he completed 68 percent of his passes for 3,700 yards with 36 touchdowns and seven interceptions. Mayfield also ran for 405 yards with seven scores.


9. Jarrett Stidham**, QB, Auburn
Height: 6-3. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2018): 3-5.
11/2/17: Stidham has completed 66 percent of his passes in 2017 for 1,728 yards with eight touchdowns and three interceptions. He struggled to move the ball against Clemson, but Auburn's offensive line was completely overmatched, allowing double-digit sacks in the game. Stidham has improved since then and is throwing more accurately while showing more comfort in the pocket.

7/17/17: As a freshman at Baylor, Stidham flashed by completing 69 percent of his passes for 1,265 yards with 12 touchdowns and two interceptions. His freshman season was ended early because of injury, but he flashed serious ability with arm strength, athleticism and accuracy. After the scandal that claimed the job of Art Briles, Stidham eventually landed at Auburn after attending community college for a year. Team sources have said that Stidham has a lot of ability and they are eager to see him this season.




10. Chase Litton*, QB, Marshall
Height: 6-6. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2018): 3-5.
11/2/17: Litton has completed 61 percent of his passes this season for 1,913 yards with 16 touchdowns and five interceptions. In speaking with team evaluators, Litton is a love/hate prospect, depending on whom you ask.

7/17/17: Litton has played well over his first two seasons in college football. As a sophomore, he completed 62 percent of his pass for 2,612 yards with 24 touchdowns and nine interceptions. The freshman completed 60 percent of his passes for 2,605 yards with 23 touchdowns and eight interceptions the year before. Litton is a tall quarterback who could use more weight on his frame.


11. Riley Ferguson, QB, Memphis
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2018): 3-5.
11/2/17: In 2017, Ferguson has completed 60 percent of his passes for 2,583 yards with 23 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He connected on 23-of-38 passes for 398 yards with six touchdowns and an interception to lead Memphis to a high-scoring, three-point win over UCLA. Memphis' game against Central Florida in Week 2 was canceled. Sources say that Ferguson is skinny and needs to fill out his frame for the NFL, but he has some arm talent.

7/17/17: In 2016, Ferguson completed 63 percent of his passes for 3,698 yards with 32 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He was in his first year as a starter after replacing Paxton Lynch.

Ferguson needs to improve his field vision for the NFL. He consistently locks onto his primary read and stares him down. When Ferguson rolls out of the pocket, his field vision improves and he looks beyond his first read. It isn't surprising that Ferguson needs more development considering his limited playing experience, and he was wise to return for his senior year to develop his pocket passing before going pro.


12. Nic Shimonek, QB, Texas Tech
Height: 6-3. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.81.
Projected Round (2018): 3-5.
11/2/17: Shimonek is the Red Raiders' replacement for Pat Mahomes in 2017, and Shimonek has been impressive thus far. Some sources feel that Shimonek has real arm talent and is a prospect to watch. This season, Shimonek has completed 70 percent of his passes for 2,663 yards with 22 touchdowns and six interceptions.



13. Daniel Jones**, QB, Duke
Height: 6-5. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2018): 4-6.
11/2/17: Jones has earned some compliments from scouting sources. They think that the redshirt sophomore has real physical talent and also is getting great coaching development from David Cutcliffe. This season, Jones has completed 54 percent of his passes for 1,752 yards with eight touchdowns and seven interceptions.

Jones has good height and a nice skill set. He could be a quarterback who continues to rise over 2018 and 2019.


14. Nick Fitzgerald*, QB, Mississippi State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2018): 4-6.
11/2/17: Sources tell me that Fitzgerald is highly likely to return to Mississippi State for 2018.

Fitzgerald played well in leading the Bulldogs to a win over LSU, but had an ugly performance against Georgia, completing 14-of-29 passes for 83 yards and two interceptions. He was almost as bad against Auburn. Fitzgerald needs to show a lot more as a pocket passer and should return to school to improve before going pro.

In 2017, Fitzgerald has completed 57 percent of his passes for 1,320 yards with 13 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He has eight rushing touchdowns as well.

7/17/17: Some team sources like Fitzgerald and feel he has potential. In his first year as the starter after Dak Prescott moved to the NFL, Fitzgerald completed 54 percent of his passes for 2,423 yards with 21 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He also ran for 16 touchdowns. Fitzgerald has pro size and will need to develop his accuracy and pocket passing.


15. Will Grier*, QB, West Virginia
Height: 6-2. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2018): 4-6.
11/2/17: Grier has played well overall for West Virginia this season. He has a quality arm and can throw the ball with accuracy. He needs to improve his field vision and decision-making for the NFL. Grier is only in his first full season as a starter, so he should return to West Virginia for 2018 to improve before going pro. In 2017, Grier has completed 64 percent of his passes for 2,752 yards with 28 touchdowns and nine interceptions.

In 2015 playing for Florida, Grier completed 66 percent of his passes for 1,204 yards with 10 touchdowns and three interceptions. He was impressive for the Gators before testing positive for steroids. That led to him transferring to West Virginia. Sources say that Grier and his family can be high-maintenance personalities whp some teams are going to shy away from.


16. Jake Browning*, QB, Washington
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.73.
Projected Round (2018): 5-7.
11/2/17: Browning has completed 68 percent of his passes thus far this season for 1,703 yards with 14 touchdowns and four interceptions. He is a good college quarterback, but he doesn't have a pro skill set.

7/17/17: Browning had a strong sophomore season to help push Washington into the college football playoff. He completed 62 percent of his passes in 2016 for 3,430 yards with 43 touchdowns and nine interceptions. As a freshman in 2015, he completed 63 percent of his passes for 2,995 yards with 16 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Browning is a good college player, but might be short on pro size and skill set. He also had shoulder surgery after the 2016 season.


17. Ryan Finley, QB, N.C. State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.82.
Projected Round (2018): 5-7.
11/2/17: Finley has been a good game manager for the Wolfpack this season, completing 66 percent of his passes for 2,181 yards with 12 touchdowns and an interception. He has made good decisions while protecting the football well.

In 2016, Finley completed 60 percent of his passes for 3,055 yards with 18 touchdowns and eight interceptions.


18. Alex McGough, QB, Florida International
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2018): 5-7.
11/2/17: McGough has some arm talent and is athletically gifted. In 2017, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 1,513 yards with seven touchdowns and six interceptions. McGough completed 58 percent of his passes in 2016 for 1,891 yards with 13 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. As a sophomore, he completed 64 percent of his passes for 2,722 yards with 21 touchdowns and eight interceptions.


19. Deondre Francois**, QB, Florida State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2018): 5-7.
11/2/17: Francois battled hard against Alabama in the season opener, completing 19-of-33 passes for 210 yards with one touchdown and two interceptions. In that contest unfortunately, Francois suffered a season-ending patellar-tendon injury, which required surgery. The injury will probably ensure that Francois will return to Florida State in 2018 and be a prospect for the 2019 NFL Draft. Francois has an early-round skill set, but if he entered the 2018 NFL Draft, he would be a third-day pick coming off his serious injury.

7/17/17: Francois showed a powerful arm and an athletic skill set in his debut for Florida State in 2016. The redshirt freshman completed 59 percent of his passes for 3,350 yards with 20 touchdowns and seven interceptions. It will be interesting to see if Francois can improve his accuracy and pocket passing as he gains experience. He has a lot of upside and could break out in 2017.


20. Mike White, QB, Western Kentucky
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2018): 6-FA.
11/2/17: White has completed 65 percent of his passes in 2017 for 2,328 yards with 14 touchdowns and six interceptions. Sources say they are grading White as a very late-rounder or undrafted free agent. They think he has good size and accuracy, sees the field pretty well, and is smart. They also believe, however, that his arm strength and below-average athleticism give him a ceiling as a third-string quarterback in the NFL. In 2016, White completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,363 yards with 37 touchdowns and seven interceptions.


21. Kenny Hill, QB, TCU
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.73.
Projected Round (2018): 6-FA.
11/2/17: Hill has completed 68 percent of his passes in 2017 for 1,863 yards with 15 touchdowns and five interceptions.

7/17/17: Hill completed 61 percent of his passes in 2016 for 3,208 yards with 17 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. The redshirt junior sat out the 2015 season per NCAA rules after leaving Texas A&M.

Hill was the replacement for Johnny Manziel at Texas A&M in 2014 and started out with a streak of impressive performances. Things went downhill for Hill though, and he ended up being replaced; however, he did complete 67 percent of his passes for 2,649 yards with 23 touchdowns and eight interceptions. Like a few other Aggie quarterbacks, Hill decided to leave the program and transferred to TCU.


22. Quinton Flowers*, QB, South Florida
Height: 6-0. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2018): 7-FA.
11/2/17: Flowers has completed 53 percent of his passes this season for 1,245 yards with 12 touchdowns and three interceptions. He also has 10 rushing touchdowns.

7/17/17: Flowers had an impressive 2016 season, completing 63 percent of his passes for 2,812 yards with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He also ran for 1,530 yards with 18 touchdowns on the ground. Flowers is shorter than typical starting quarterbacks in the NFL, which will hurt him. He will need to show pocket-passing ability to climb and avoid talk of changing positions.


23. Kyle Allen*, QB, Houston
Height: 6-3. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2018): 7-FA.
11/2/17: In 2017, Allen has completed 77 percent of his passes for 751 yards with four touchdowns and four interceptions. He was benched in the loss to Texas Tech.

7/17/17: Allen started out his collegiate career at Texas A&M and put together some good play there. In 2015, he completed 57 percent of his passes for 2,210 yards with 17 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He had similar numbers as a freshman for the Aggies. Allen could be a breakout player for Houston in 2017.


24. Richard Lagow, QB, Indiana
Height: 6-6. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2018): FA.
11/2/17: Lagow has been in and out of the lineup for the Hoosiers. He has completed 57 percent of his passes in 2017 for 812 yards with six touchdowns and three interceptions.

Indiana's Week 3 game against Florida International was cancelled, and Lagow struggled against Virginia in Week 2, completing only 3-of-10 passes before being benched. He got the season off to impressive start against Ohio State, however, completing 40-of-65 passes for 410 yards with three touchdowns and two interceptions. Lagow threw the ball really well and got the ball out quickly. He also held up well in the face of the rush as the Buckeyes' defensive line dominated Indiana's offensive front.

As a junior in 2016, Lagow completed 58 percent of his passes for 3,362 yards with 19 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. He previously played in the junior college ranks.


25. Tanner Mangum*, QB, BYU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2018): FA.
11/2/17: So far in 2017, Mangum has completed 57 percent of his passes for 1,377 yards with eight touchdowns and nine interceptions.

7/17/17: Mangum had some impressive moments during his freshman season in 2015 when he came on in relief of Taysom Hill. That season, Mangum completed 60 percent of his passes for 3,377 yards with 23 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He was the backup to Hill again in 2016, going 22-of-33 - 67 percent - for 241 yards with three touchdowns and an interception in limited action.
 
You may not like Dobbs but the Steelers do. He is very intelligent at QB. He learns from his mistakes and the coaches love that. He studies the game just like Marsha and Manning did and maybe moreso. He has most of what is needed in a starting QB. They knew he needed time to develop and that is why they took him and kept him as their No. 3 QB. No one expected him to take Ben's spot this year. My guess is he is No. 2 next year.

The top 4 or 5 QB's on that list will probably be gone by the time we pick. So, start there. Would you take anyone from No. 6 down in round 1?
 
TDX27 said:
You may not like Dobbs but the Steelers do. He is very intelligent at QB. He learns from his mistakes and the coaches love that. He studies the game just like Marsha and Manning did and maybe moreso. He has most of what is needed in a starting QB. They knew he needed time to develop and that is why they took him and kept him as their No. 3 QB. No one expected him to take Ben's spot this year. My guess is he is No. 2 next year.

The top 4 or 5 QB's on that list will probably be gone by the time we pick. So, start there. Would you take anyone from No. 6 down in round 1?
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not so sure there

There will be teams interested in QBs early... but you will hit teams that don't need a QB.

We'll see.
 
Jarrett Stidham is a guy I like. Could be a great pick in round two.
 
Teams that could pick a QB in R1 next year, list is highly subjective

Jets - Played well enough that maybe they don't go QB early.
Browns - Obviously they need a QB early
Colts - don't know what is going on with Luck. They could take a QB early
Chargers - Rivers will need a replacement much like Ben, not sure if they draft one early though.
Redskins - depends on what happens with Cousins.
49ers - just traded for Jimmy G, could go QB but their OL is ******* terrible
Arizona - Palmer is probably done. Who knows if AZ goes QB early
Steelers- Ben is going to contemplate retirement every offseason until he finally retires.

Cousins could go to any team if Washington doesn't get him a deal and I doubt they franchise tag him again.
Bradford if he's healthy will likely be traded.
Jimmy G is a UFA after this season
What happens if Cutler plays another year as a UFA for one of the teams in need of a QB?
 
Forgot to add one more to the list, Alex Smith will likely get traded or cut by the Chiefs. I would expect a team like the Jets (could be any team) who are a fringe losing team but not terrible to sign him so they don't have to invest in an early round QB.
 
This draft is going to be fairly weak overall.
Identify a guy you really like and trade up to get him.
Preferably a QB as Ben looks like he has one foot out the door.
 
Baker Mayfield will be a fringe 1st rounder by the time the draft rolls around; as long as he doesn't do something off the field to his detriment.
He is my guy in rd 1 if available.
I see Russell Wilson size with better passing ability and less running ability.
 
Don't forget the Giants and baby Manning. They are sucking this year. It's not all on him as he has no one to throw to. But, they are in the same boat as the Chargers and Steelers. I don't think they have a replacement for him on the roster.
 
And, for the Steelers, I think you have to throw out any option QB on that list. If they aren't playing in a pro-style offense in college, I just can't see us grooming anyone in a year or two to replace Ben. We don't have a great QB coach on the team.
 
TDX27 said:
Don't forget the Giants and baby Manning. They are sucking this year. It's not all on him as he has no one to throw to. But, they are in the same boat as the Chargers and Steelers. I don't think they have a replacement for him on the roster.
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They drafted Davis Webb this year. Think they will give him a chance before drafting a R1 QB, not to mention they have greater needs at OL and on D seeing as how they just gave up over 50 points on defense and can't score any points.
 
I tell you there is enough prospects that look interesting.Looking closer..

I would pick up one somewhere along the line.
 
I absolutely agree with everything here....
Hines57 said:
We take a QB in R1 next year and I guarantee he will be better than Dobbs. Dobbs isn't a long term solution for this team.

I will stand my ground, in R1, we need the best QB available to groom for Ben's replacement, not some ****** scrub named Dobbs. I think we get one more season out of Ben and then he's done.
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IF Ben hangs it up at the end of this season, I'd like to the team chase a QB that can combine and make the most of the remaining years of the team's nucleus of talent, particularly Brown and Bell. Cousins or Alex Smith would be nice. Barring a big singing like that, they have to take the best QB available in round 1 (unless there is a different position player whose talent is absolutely undeniable).
 
We never make a big splash in FA. If Ben does hang em up, I just can't see them going after a Cousins or Smith. It'd be a nice stop gap for a few years but I just can't see them doing it. They'd still need to draft someone.
 
As long as we're projecting.....

With the 32nd pick in the 2018 NFL draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select..........
 
If Ben retires after the season I feel they don’t draft a QB round one just to draft a QB round one. I feel they’d bring in a vet like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith or even Case Keenum to be a stopgap and give Dobbs another year under his belt. If the Steelers would suck and pick top 5 I then would see a QB in round 1 in 2019.


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rumor is that Darnold may not enter the draft. I wouldn't either if Cleveland held the first pick.

Steelers should be picking late and it seems that they should have no actual holes to fill. This past draft, they absolutely had to get a pass rusher who could play as a rookie. They also needed secondary help. They got it and then Joe Haden fell in their laps.

This year should be about upgrades, not filling holes and that gives great freedom. It also means that they may have the ability to trade up for specific targets because they won't have room for 8 rookies.
 
If Darnold thinks he is the best QB in the draft he shouldn't be worried about the Browns taking him. They tend to pass
on the good QB's.
 
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