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Sean Davis - Hey Coach, tell us you aren't wrong thread...

Ike Kelly

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Just a friendly reminder to our resident Jester about his assessment of #28's play last game, all year, heck even last year, being wrong as usual. Kid is making plays weekly on coverage and stuffing the run. Playing the position like its supposed to be and excelling. He's no Polamalu, but nobody ever will be. Can't wait to hear Coach's excuses as to why he isn't wrong. (Yeah I know, feed the troll).
 
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You know, Coach can be a bit intolerable, but give the guy a break. He at least tries to support his opinions with some half-*** logical football reasoning. Now true, it may be 80% bullshit, but honestly that's about 30% less bullshit than quite a few of us.

Yes, he has hard-ons for some players, but who among us doesn't? I'm sure he'll have some half-*** **** about why Davis was out of position 4 times last night and it cost 9 yards. But at least he'll come up with some horse-**** with actual evidence (whether you choose to recognize it or not) about why Davis was out of position.

So, while I also enjoy giving Coach **** now and then, at least recognize that he's one of us. Intolerable, you bet. Does he have a Polomalu sized-head? Hellz ya. But let's not forget that Coach himself gave us that. (The Polamalu has too big a head to be a great player thing) That's ******' OURS baby. It will always BE ours. And Coach gave it to us with his weird as **** alt-combine research.

Just don't beat on him too harshly. K?
 
Thread will dutifully ignored. A new thread will be created on Bell and the fact the Steelers score precisely 7.5 more points with Bryant in the lineup
 
Ike Kelly said:
Just a friendly reminder to our resident Jester about his assessment of #28's play last game, all year, heck even last year, being wrong as usual. Kid is making plays weekly on coverage and stuffing the run. Playing the position like its supposed to be and excelling. He's no Polamalu, but nobody ever will be. Can't wait to hear Coach's excuses as to why he isn't wrong. (Yeah I know, feed the troll).
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Did you watch the game? I saw Davis give up a lot of yards after his man got open, and get a personal foul call.

He's no Polamalu? He's no Thomas Everett, Darren Perry, or even Ryan Clark. No need to mention Lake.

Just in cast you forgot Ike Kelly, Sean Davis has 1 interception in his last 24 games! You must think that is good.

Wanna use 3rd party data? Okay Ike, there are 64 starting safeties in the NFL. Pro Football focus has Davis at # 58 among safeties.:lalala:
 
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Coach said:
Did you watch the game? I saw Davis give up a lot of yards after his man got open, and get a personal foul call.

He's no Polamalu? He's no Thomas Everett, Darren Perry, or even Ryan Clark. No need to mention Lake.

Just in cast you forgot Ike Kelly, Sean Davis has 1 interception in his last 24 games! You must think that is good.

Wanna use 3rd party data? Okay Ike, there are 64 starting safeties in the NFL. Pro Football focus has Davis at # 58 among safeties.:lalala:
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Link please
 
antdrewjosh said:
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Link please
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Sure.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/sean-davis/10692

You might want to note that pro football focus considers Davis a below average starter.

Why do things such as hard data, and statistics agree with me? I use them here because its a neutral source.

Look I get it we all want the Steelers to win, but Davis to me is the 9th -10th best player on the starting defense.

If others think he's very good, so be it.
 
Coach said:
Sure.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/sean-davis/10692

You might want to note that pro football focus considers Davis a below average starter.

Why do things such as hard data, and statistics agree with me? I use them here because its a neutral source.

Look I get it we all want the Steelers to win, but Davis to me is the 9th -10th best player on the starting defense.

If others think he's very good, so be it.
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Find this very interesting..he has been all over the place defensively. Made huge plays on the ball that might of very well preserved wins. Interesting indeed
 
Because focus is so spot on on their player evals.

meh
 
antdrewjosh said:
Find this very interesting..he has been all over the place defensively. Made huge plays on the ball that might of very well preserved wins. Interesting indeed
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I'll post all the Steeler grades in a separate thread. And since I'm usually right, I'll make a prediction : )

Someone will find a player who's rated lower than he should be and claim the entire rating system is suspect, while ignoring the majority is more or less accurate.
 
slashsteel said:
Because focus is so spot on on their player evals.

meh
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Im going to let it go because I've used Focus in discussions with him. But i will say the grade supported what i saw on the field. This really doesnt Davis has been everywhere but i will concede.
 
Coach said:
I'll post all the Steeler grades in a separate thread. And since I'm usually right, I'll make a prediction : )

Someone will find a player who's rated lower than he should be and claim the entire rating system is suspect, while ignoring the majority is more or less accurate.
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No thats ok we dont need another thread smh. We good
 
Coach said:
Did you watch the game? I saw Davis give up a lot of yards after his man got open, and get a personal foul call.

He's no Polamalu? He's no Thomas Everett, Darren Perry, or even Ryan Clark. No need to mention Lake.

Just in cast you forgot Ike Kelly, Sean Davis has 1 interception in his last 24 games! You must think that is good.

Wanna use 3rd party data? Okay Ike, there are 64 starting safeties in the NFL. Pro Football focus has Davis at # 58 among safeties.:lalala:
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Hey genius....3rd party data?

Its been renowned that its analytic s process is purely subjective in assessment of the raw numbers. Excerpt from a Boston Herald article a few years ago regarding the emergence of PFF and the legitimacy of their facts:

" ...this is not taking actual numbers and using them to come up with new stats to use in analytics. This is not taking passes complete and passes attempted and breaking it down into the various lengths of throws and spots on the field. This is sitting down in front of the monitor, forming an opinion and making up their own stats and advanced formulas based on stats garnered from what they think is happening on each play."

The full article.... https://bostonsportsmedia.com/2014/06/04/can-pro-football-focus-stats-be-blindly-trusted/

One more thing genius....The inventor of PFF's process is from the UK. The company is now based in Cincinnati. Why you ask? Because guess who is a major owner in the company now? Cris Collingsworth, yep. That Cris Collingsworth, which is why you only see NBC using their statistics as the tell all, and ESPN to an extent in college football. PFF, is no different than any other stat gnasher out there. Might as well use Madden grading...its the same context. To many variables not being taking into account to quantify analytics as true assessment of player value.

Oh yeah I did watch the game. All of it. The personal foul was bang bang..and actually the receiver dropped his head at the same time. We will see if he's fined, but it wasn't like the hit on Jesse James.

BTW genius...to show how much you know. Thomas Everett, Darren Perry and Ryan Clark played Free Safety. Davis plays Strong Safety, as did Troy. Two different positions especially in Everett and Perry's era. Clark played the hybrid because Troy was given free reign by LeBeau because of his range across the back end. Carnel Lake was an exception because of his talent base. Being a LB in college allowed him to learn all the spots on the backend...Including CB when he took over for Woodson in 95.
 
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Ike Kelly said:
Hey genius....3rd party data?

Its been renowned that its analytic s process is purely subjective in assessment of the raw numbers. Excerpt from a Boston Herald article a few years ago regarding the emergence of PFF and the legitimacy of their facts:

" ...this is not taking actual numbers and using them to come up with new stats to use in analytics. This is not taking passes complete and passes attempted and breaking it down into the various lengths of throws and spots on the field. This is sitting down in front of the monitor, forming an opinion and making up their own stats and advanced formulas based on stats garnered from what they think is happening on each play."

The full article.... https://bostonsportsmedia.com/2014/06/04/can-pro-football-focus-stats-be-blindly-trusted/

One more thing genius....The inventor of PFF's process is from the UK. The company is now based in Cincinnati. Why you ask? Because guess who is a major owner in the company now? Cris Collingsworth, yep. That Cris Collingsworth, which is why you only see NBC using their statistics as the tell all, and ESPN to an extent in college football. PFF, is no different than any other stat gnasher out there. Might as well use Madden grading...its the same context. To many variables not being taking into account to quantify analytics as true assessment of player value.
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LOL,

When you can't deal with NFL stats, such as 1 INT in 24 games played and 3rd party data is killing you ...SHOOT DOWN THE SOURCE, even though you do not have better and there is a coloration between who the best are and who the worse are.

It doesn't matter to me where it was invented. Why should that matter at all? If it sucks that bad, might I suggest you find a scientist in Germany and start your own company. The trouble you might have a problem finding a formula for Davis to rate highly. Unless you give bonus points for dropped INT's, missed tackles that lead to long plays, a high completion percentage against, PF calls, and such....:)
 
paperclip said:
Davis has broken up a few key receptions in the end zone this year. I don't see that stat.
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Exactly how big were those plays Coach???
 
PFF is BS. There simply are not 57 safeties in the league better than Davis.
 
Pouncey is not a top 10 center according to PFF. That alone discredits their entire rating system.
 
ark steel said:
PFF is BS. There simply are not 57 safeties in the league better than Davis.
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Perhaps they confused Davis with Mitchell? That ranking sounds just about right for the latter...
 
Oh and I can mention a metric that you can watch. In 2 games Sean Davis has stopped 3 TDs. This past game, he did one by air and one by tackling at the goalline. If a 57th ranked safety keeps stealing TDs, I'll freakin take it!
 
NFL stats? From NFL.com?

According to them Davis is tied for 6th among all SS in tackles (33 solo). 5th in PDs among SS (tied with several others with 5), INTs? only 14 starting SS have one. The top two have 5 and 3 respectively. I think I will take the common sense approach to your figures...to ignore them. As for shooting down the source.....its more like you rely on National Inquirer for your source data, rather than actual facts.Sit down and go back to sucking your thumb.
 
I will know ignore this thread and start a new one
 
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