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Tomlins explanation of the game plan????

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When asked, "wouldn't it have been better to come out and run vs the last rated run defense, rather than throwing". His response was that he blamed the two pick 6's and the Jags 8 minute drive for having to go pass happy. He also said if you look at our first half stats that's more indicative of what we wanted to do. Well Bell ran what 8or 9 times, Ben attempted 23 passes in the first half.

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Coryea said:
When asked, "wouldn't it have been better to come out and run vs the last rated run defense, rather than throwing". His response was that he blamed the two pick 6's and the Jags 8 minute drive for having to go pass happy. He also said if you look at our first half stats that's more indicative of what we wanted to do. Well Bell ran what 8or 9 times, Ben attempted 23 passes in the first half.

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He doesn't get it, he honestly doesn't get it. For someone that preaches about not making excuses, he sure finds a lot of them when anyone questions his coaching staff or game plans.
 
And I think it a fact that the Pittsburgh media know that access to the Steelers is vital to their relevance, and know that challenging Tomlin is not going to promote such access and indeed may well hinder access, and therefore are very careful in how they challenge Tomlin.

The reference by Coryea is but one example. The media who asked the question did not follow up by citing the evidence showing Tomlin's explanation was bullshit.
 
I'm tired of the Steelers "splain'n" themselves every ******* week. At some point, at some time, at some moment someone's light bulb is going to go off and come to the realization that they've got major ******* problems with this team...wait, they're not a team, they're a collective group of individuals who wears the same uniform.

1. Ben can say that he's all in, but hints at retirement the last two years says you have one cleat and apparently your right arm out the door.
2. Let's just group the Coaching staff altogether here and simply state that the "Standard" that Tomlin speaks of is FAR from the standard the fans are accustomed to and expect for their hard earned dollar. The lack of effective game planning, adjustments, and a continued precedent to play down to competition plagues this coaching staff. The worst part is that management just lets it happen, and signs the fools to contract extensions.
3. Bell's hold out really impacted the offense who can't find its identity and get Into sync. The offensive run scheme is predicated on timing and its just not there. I'm glad Ryan Clark called the Steelers out, and I'm laughing that Bell is taking offense. Maybe if you cared about the team over self, you wouldn't have to be called out. Just say'n
4. The whole National Anthem debacle really shows you how ******* disjointed the team is. The coaching staff wants the team to make a collective decision. The coaching staff doesn't follow the team decision and stands on the sideline. One guy is outside the tunnel, the rest standing in the shadows of the tunnel. The head coach calls out the only player to stand outside of the tunnel. He then holds a press conference to apologize for making everyone look bad...I mean WTF? Here is a thought...Rooney sets a clear ******* policy, the coaching staff and players follow it. End of ******* story.
5. Then, Rooney and Tomlin have to explain decisions or the lack thereof after the backlash.
6. Then, the steelers are announcing that they will all stand during the national anthem after the backlash
7. We have prima donnas punching water coolers trying to compete with OBJ.

It's a ******* circus in Pittsburgh and these million dollar clowns are doing everything but performing. Their job is to entertain us. They need to put on their hard shelled wig, their color rush costume, and their multicolored NFL approved shoes and ******* dance Dee Bo, Big Ben, AB, and Ju Ju.
 
Just win baby.

There's a reason why we own the word..."SUPERBIKE".
 
Badcat said:
I'm tired of the Steelers "splain'n" themselves every ******* week. At some point, at some time, at some moment someone's light bulb is going to go off and come to the realization that they've got major ******* problems with this team...wait, they're not a team, they're a collective group of individuals who wears the same uniform.

1. Ben can say that he's all in, but hints at retirement the last two years says you have one cleat and apparently your right arm out the door.
2. Let's just group the Coaching staff altogether here and simply state that the "Standard" that Tomlin speaks of is FAR from the standard the fans are accustomed to and expect for their hard earned dollar. The lack of effective game planning, adjustments, and a continued precedent to play down to competition plagues this coaching staff. The worst part is that management just lets it happen, and signs the fools to contract extensions.
3. Bell's hold out really impacted the offense who can't find its identity and get Into sync. The offensive run scheme is predicated on timing and its just not there. I'm glad Ryan Clark called the Steelers out, and I'm laughing that Bell is taking offense. Maybe if you cared about the team over self, you wouldn't have to be called out. Just say'n
4. The whole National Anthem debacle really shows you how ******* disjointed the team is. The coaching staff wants the team to make a collective decision. The coaching staff doesn't follow the team decision and stands on the sideline. One guy is outside the tunnel, the rest standing in the shadows of the tunnel. The head coach calls out the only player to stand outside of the tunnel. He then holds a press conference to apologize for making everyone look bad...I mean WTF? Here is a thought...Rooney sets a clear ******* policy, the coaching staff and players follow it. End of ******* story.
5. Then, Rooney and Tomlin have to explain decisions or the lack thereof after the backlash.
6. Then, the steelers are announcing that they will all stand during the national anthem after the backlash
7. We have prima donnas punching water coolers trying to compete with OBJ.

It's a ******* circus in Pittsburgh and these million dollar clowns are doing everything but performing. Their job is to entertain us. They need to put on their hard shelled wig, their color rush costume, and their multicolored NFL approved shoes and ******* dance Dee Bo, Big Ben, AB, and Ju Ju.
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hell will be unleashed this week
 
Looking at the ending run/pass numbers is lazy. They were largely skewed by the team having 2 two minute drills before the half, then going no huddle to start the 2nd half (which worked). Then all the INTs and they needed to play catch up.

1st drive
1st n 10: pass 49 yards
1st n 10: pass incomplete
2nd n 10: run 10 yards
1st n 10: run 4 yards
2nd n 6: run -2 yards
3rd n 8: pass incomplete
FG
3pass/3run

2nd drive
1st n 10: false start
1st n 12: (on the 2) run 0 yards
2nd n 12: pass 8 yards
3rd n 4: pass 6 yards
1st n 10: Ben scramble 1 yard
2nd n 9: run 13 yards
1st n 10: run 0 yards
2nd n 10: run (end around) 13 yards, 10 yard penalty
2nd n 7: pass 4 yards
3rd n 3: pass 9 yards
1st n 10: screen pass incomplete
2nd n 10: INT
this drive: 7pass/4run
total: 10pass/7run

Neither of these look imbalanced yet

3rd drive (score 7 to 3 now JAX)
1st n 10: pass 15 yards
1st n 10: run 2 yards
2nd n 8: run 1 yard
3rd n 7: pass 2 yards
this drive 2pass/2run
total: 12pass/9run

imbalanced yet? I don't think so.
4th drive (7 to 3)
1:51 left before the half
1st n 10: pass incomplete
2nd n 10: run 0 yards
3rd n 10: pass 10 yards
1st n 10: pass 4 yards
2nd n 6: pass incomplete
3rd n 6: pass incomplete
punt
this drive 5pass/1run (2 minute drill)
total: 17pass/10run

5th drive (7 to 3) 41 seconds left
1st n 10: pass 21 yards
1st n 10: spike
2nd n 10: pass 23 yards
1st n 10: pass 1 yard
2nd n 9: pass incomplete
FG
this drive 5pass/0run
total: 22pass/10run

Looks imbalanced, but largely driven by the 2 minute drill getting two drives.

Come out of the half they went no huddle
1st n 10: pass 5 yards
2nd n 5: pass 9 yards
1st n 10: pass 2 yards
2nd n 8: pass incomplete offsides penalty
2nd n 3: run 7 yards
1st n 10: pass 9 yards
2nd n 1: run -1 yard
3rd n 2: pass 4 yards
1st n 10: pass incomplete
2nd n 10: pass incomplete offsides penalty
2nd n 5: run 15 yards
1st n 10: pass 10 yards
1st n goal (5): pass incomplete
2nd n goal (5): pass 3 yards
3rd n goal (2): pass incomplete
FG
this drive 12pass/3run
total: 34pass/13run
this
imbalanced drive came out of the no-huddle. It also happened to be
longest drive of the day in yards/time/plays. so it worked. Only failure
was not getting a TD in the endzone.
After this the pick 6's started coming and everything fell apart.

Now that I've laid it out, please feel free to say where you think the egregious error was in the game plan.


And again i want to see more fullback and more running myself.
 
Everyone in the stadium knew Fournette was going to be the workhorse, and what did he do? he ran the ball right through our defense. he had a career day in touchdowns and yards.
Thats what it looks like when a team knows their strengths, and gameplans accordingly. Seems elementary to me?
Tomlin and Haley want to change whatever has been working. " Lets go pass heavy and try to run out of every formation except the ones that were so successful the week prior."
 
My take on Tomlins "'splanation"
He has no idea what to do next. Abandon a running attack against a team who is weak against the run? Abandon the run in favor of a passing attack that yields pick 6 and three and outs giving the football and clock to a running back who is shredding your defense?
What is that explanation of stupid again??
 
bigben said:
Everyone in the stadium knew Fournette was going to be the workhorse, and what did he do? he ran the ball right through our defense. he had a career day in touchdowns and yards.
Thats what it looks like when a team knows their strengths, and gameplans accordingly. Seems elementary to me?
Tomlin and Haley want to change whatever has been working. " Lets go pass heavy and try to run out of every formation except the ones that were so successful the week prior."
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SpeakING of lazy.....

Fournettell had 28 rushes for 181 yards and a 6.5 average for 2 TD's. If you didn't watch the game, it does seem as if he ran all over us. The reality is, after the O Had already lost the game and we were doe 23-9 with 3 min left, the D finally ****** up and let fournette through with a 90 yard run.

So, once the game was lost, the D finally broke. Up to that point, 27 carries for 91 yards and a whopping 3.37 ypc. The D did their job in stopping fournette as much as possible, until it didnt matter. If the o had done their job, well...they didnt.
 
So what you're saying Antdrew, is that Bell really is the one who let the team down.

His lackluster running doomed the team and constantly put them behind the chains? (I know you're not saying that. I'm just messing with you.)

I would suggest that throwing a FB in and pounding away at the worst run defense in the league with Brown and Bryant or JuJu at receiver gives you some real options. Bell can run a wheel. Or he can just follow Nix and pound for a few yards. Eventually you have to assume he's going to start wearing the defense down and with that formation Roethlisberger has some options to audible to for a pass when he sees what he likes.

Clearly the game sucked. But Bell said that the coaches planned to focus on the passing game. Undoubtedly because they assumed the Jags would load up against the run. That's precisely when you DO pound the ball at them and force them to dig in and hold their ground because with Brown and Bryant you have legitimate threats when they sneak up. I'm no coach but C'mon. They should have been pounding the **** out of the Jags with Conner and Bell all day long and occasionally throwing mid or deep balls to Brown and Bryant to keep the safeties and corners honest.

It's no big deal. Game's over. Move on. I still love em. Like to think they'll get it together for the Chiefs who we owned last season, even if the 2nd matchup was the FG bowl.
 
ark steel said:
SpeakING of lazy.....

Fournettell had 28 rushes for 181 yards and a 6.5 average for 2 TD's. If you didn't watch the game, it does seem as if he ran all over us. The reality is, after the O Had already lost the game and we were doe 23-9 with 3 min left, the D finally ****** up and let fournette through with a 90 yard run.

So, once the game was lost, the D finally broke. Up to that point, 27 carries for 91 yards and a whopping 3.37 ypc. The D did their job in stopping fournette as much as possible, until it didnt matter. If the o had done their job, well...they didnt.
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Even more so to that, is that Fournette gained roughly 130 yards on two drives alone, with one being a 90 yard run. Yes, I know, end results and blah blah blah, but Holding a guy to roughly 60 yards for pretty much the whole damn game is hardly him "breaking out."
 
bigben said:
Everyone in the stadium knew Fournette was going to be the workhorse, and what did he do? he ran the ball right through our defense. he had a career day in touchdowns and yards.
Thats what it looks like when a team knows their strengths, and gameplans accordingly. Seems elementary to me?
Tomlin and Haley want to change whatever has been working. " Lets go pass heavy and try to run out of every formation except the ones that were so successful the week prior."
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He had 27 carries for 91 yards before the 90 yard run. He was contained to a 3 yard per carry average.
 
bigtwnvin said:
My take on Tomlins "'splanation"
He has no idea what to do next. Abandon a running attack against a team who is weak against the run? Abandon the run in favor of a passing attack that yields pick 6 and three and outs giving the football and clock to a running back who is shredding your defense?
What is that explanation of stupid again??
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me: Mike whats the gameplan against the Jag-offs?

Mike : we will defend every blade of grass.

me: um ok but that has nothing to do with how we will attack them on offense?

Mike: obviously

me: well can you tell me if we plan to stay clear of Ramsey?

Mike: we don't live in our fears we live in our hopes

me: can you tell me what adjustments were made to fix the leaky run defense?

MIke:If our team doesn't face enough adversity early on in a season, I create it. Nothing builds a team like adversity

me: well there sure has been enough of that

Mike: obviously

me: Has Martavis lost some of his burst or is he running sloppy routes? he doesn't seem like he is getting open?

Mike: Excuses are tools of the incompetent

me: ok ok ok How are you planning on attacking KC,? they have a explosive running game and capable defense and passing attack

Mike: People aren't very good listeners, by nature ... Part of being a good communicator is recognizing and understanding that and trying to make the complex simple. I try to capture a concept, an idea or a moment in a few words. If they remember it, job done.

me: I wonder if Christ Foerster would consider fronting me a line, I am hungry for a bump all of a sudden

MIke; Hungry is a word that I've been analyzing here of late. It's not hunger that drives me, it's not hunger that needs to drive our football team. Hunger and thirst are things that can be quenched. We have to be a driven group, we have to seek greatness.

me:
giphy.webp
 
To add onto what Ark said the defense sold out to blow the play up in the backfield on the 90 yard run. It was their only miracle shot to have any chance to come back. They picked the wrong hole and everyone was up at the LOS.
 
Coryea said:
When asked, "wouldn't it have been better to come out and run vs the last rated run defense, rather than throwing". His response was that he blamed the two pick 6's and the Jags 8 minute drive for having to go pass happy. He also said if you look at our first half stats that's more indicative of what we wanted to do. Well Bell ran what 8or 9 times, Ben attempted 23 passes in the first half.

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Tomlin is ignorant as far as his coaching any professional football team. He is incapable of leading and running a football team. It’s been witnessed time and time again his shortcomings and how it has hampered this team. As head coach the fiasco in Chicago prior to the game should have never happened. The incident with Brown in the locker room during the playoffs should have never happened if he had control of this team. Lev Bell misses OTA’s, training camp, shows up one week before the season and Tomlin immediately inserts him into the lineup. I don’t care what he did last year, that had to send a bad message to the team especially the younger guys. And Lev Bell responds with one good game.
So the latest fiasco has us going against a weak run defense in the Jags and comes in with an approved game plan to throw it against a much stronger pass defense.
I have to often wonder what game is he watching each week as he doesn’t at all seemed dialed in. He makes no adjustments or at least any that make a difference, he is terrible with the challenges, and the clock management.
This football team if they are to pull out of this will only be because of Ben and not Tomlin, Brown or Bell. The. Steelers go as far as Ben and those that choose to lay blame better damn well be careful what they wish for. When Ben goes here comes the losing seasons,and Tomlin, Brown and Bell won’t be able to fix it. We shall see just how good a coachTomlin is then.
By the way! Ben will rebound this week and be fine. He’s not the problem.



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ark steel said:
SpeakING of lazy.....

Fournettell had 28 rushes for 181 yards and a 6.5 average for 2 TD's. If you didn't watch the game, it does seem as if he ran all over us. The reality is, after the O Had already lost the game and we were doe 23-9 with 3 min left, the D finally ****** up and let fournette through with a 90 yard run.

So, once the game was lost, the D finally broke. Up to that point, 27 carries for 91 yards and a whopping 3.37 ypc. The D did their job in stopping fournette as much as possible, until it didnt matter. If the o had done their job, well...they didnt.
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Similar to what Zeke Elliot did to us last year...he ran right through us and broke 2 big plays.
 
Coryea said:
When asked, "wouldn't it have been better to come out and run vs the last rated run defense, rather than throwing". His response was that he blamed the two pick 6's and the Jags 8 minute drive for having to go pass happy. He also said if you look at our first half stats that's more indicative of what we wanted to do. Well Bell ran what 8or 9 times, Ben attempted 23 passes in the first half.

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what a joke.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Looking at the ending run/pass numbers is lazy. They were largely skewed by the team having 2 two minute drills before the half, then going no huddle to start the 2nd half (which worked). Then all the INTs and they needed to play catch up.

1st drive
1st n 10: pass 49 yards
1st n 10: pass incomplete
2nd n 10: run 10 yards
1st n 10: run 4 yards
2nd n 6: run -2 yards
3rd n 8: pass incomplete
FG
3pass/3run

2nd drive
1st n 10: false start
1st n 12: (on the 2) run 0 yards
2nd n 12: pass 8 yards
3rd n 4: pass 6 yards
1st n 10: Ben scramble 1 yard
2nd n 9: run 13 yards
1st n 10: run 0 yards
2nd n 10: run (end around) 13 yards, 10 yard penalty
2nd n 7: pass 4 yards
3rd n 3: pass 9 yards
1st n 10: screen pass incomplete
2nd n 10: INT
this drive: 7pass/4run
total: 10pass/7run

Neither of these look imbalanced yet

3rd drive (score 7 to 3 now JAX)
1st n 10: pass 15 yards
1st n 10: run 2 yards
2nd n 8: run 1 yard
3rd n 7: pass 2 yards
this drive 2pass/2run
total: 12pass/9run

imbalanced yet? I don't think so.
4th drive (7 to 3)
1:51 left before the half
1st n 10: pass incomplete
2nd n 10: run 0 yards
3rd n 10: pass 10 yards
1st n 10: pass 4 yards
2nd n 6: pass incomplete
3rd n 6: pass incomplete
punt
this drive 5pass/1run (2 minute drill)
total: 17pass/10run

5th drive (7 to 3) 41 seconds left
1st n 10: pass 21 yards
1st n 10: spike
2nd n 10: pass 23 yards
1st n 10: pass 1 yard
2nd n 9: pass incomplete
FG
this drive 5pass/0run
total: 22pass/10run

Looks imbalanced, but largely driven by the 2 minute drill getting two drives.

Come out of the half they went no huddle
1st n 10: pass 5 yards
2nd n 5: pass 9 yards
1st n 10: pass 2 yards
2nd n 8: pass incomplete offsides penalty
2nd n 3: run 7 yards
1st n 10: pass 9 yards
2nd n 1: run -1 yard
3rd n 2: pass 4 yards
1st n 10: pass incomplete
2nd n 10: pass incomplete offsides penalty
2nd n 5: run 15 yards
1st n 10: pass 10 yards
1st n goal (5): pass incomplete
2nd n goal (5): pass 3 yards
3rd n goal (2): pass incomplete
FG
this drive 12pass/3run
total: 34pass/13run
this
imbalanced drive came out of the no-huddle. It also happened to be
longest drive of the day in yards/time/plays. so it worked. Only failure
was not getting a TD in the endzone.
After this the pick 6's started coming and everything fell apart.

Now that I've laid it out, please feel free to say where you think the egregious error was in the game plan.


And again i want to see more fullback and more running myself.
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The problem was the redzone failures. Put that first one in and it's 7-0 and Jags are already pressing. But the playcalling and execution in the redzone was terrible.
 
Playing a **** run defense that only rushes 4 guys and rarely blitzes, you should be 60/40 run from the start, but the fact we COULDNT run on this defense should be getting as much bitchery as Ben is

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