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Tomlin's 15th loss since 2009 to Teams With a Combined .219 Winning Percentage

And let's also not forget the several times we actually win the game, but look horrible doing it, barely able to score any points, against horrible teams. This has happened many times too
 
The trend definitely points to Tomlin. You are right that Ben can be guided, but I think no matter the guidance, he has shown a tendency in recent years to just play subpar on the road, and force throws into coverage instead of taking what's given. We need that to improve.

But the general trend of coming out flat and unprepared, taking lesser teams lightly? That, friends, has Tomlin written all over it. This is his team. It's not X's and O's (although sometimes that doesn't help). It's much more a lack of urgency, lack of energy, lack of emotion, just going thru the motions. Year after year. Same. Old. ****. Tomlin, this is your legacy. That Super Bowl was damn near a decade ago and losing to bad teams, hurting our post season seeding (or knocking us out completely) has been the story ever since


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think when Brett used to throw INTs one coach curved that tendency before he left.... Great coaching matters, you don't settle for second best.
 
And let's also not forget the several times we actually win the game, but look horrible doing it, barely able to score any points, against horrible teams. This has happened many times too

But not enough when it matters......
 
Because I gave him a chance to chance, but he is looking incapable. And the window is shrinking for another SB win. Which is my only agenda.

How about you>>?

And now i have an agenda lol. If Tomlin was fired tomorrow i wouldnt give a flying **** as long as the who replaced him does well. His skin color means **** to me..**** i have shed tears for Cowher twice. When he lost to thw Cowboys and he had to console his daughters and when he finally won and those same daughters gave him the high five after beating seattle. I have crowd for Tomlin. So again cut your **** slash
 
Tomlin isn’t even a coach at this point. His only success was with Cowher’s team in ‘08. That’s it. He doesn’t even try.
 
Funny reading this you'd think Ben threw for 100 yards and 4 ints today.

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No but it's not like he had a great game either. 22-39, 235yards. Nice 6 yards per completion. He continues to struggle more on the road, it's been a trend of his for quite some time.
 
So in 8 years =15 should be wins.

So roughly 2 wins year didn't ended up like they should. Ok.
 
No but it's not like he had a great game either. 22-39, 235yards. Nice 6 yards per completion. He continues to struggle more on the road, it's been a trend of his for quite some time.

No no no the coaches should have some magical gameplan or pixie dust to fix our best player issues.
 
No but it's not like he had a great game either. 22-39, 235yards. Nice 6 yards per completion. He continues to struggle more on the road, it's been a trend of his for quite some time.
Never said he had a good game, but don't you agree Bryant dropped a sure TD, and Bell dropped a first down and potential game winning TD on the tying FG drive.
My point is the defense gave up an unreal amount of yards, and ypc and everyone is bitching about Ben

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And now i have an agenda lol. If Tomlin was fired tomorrow i wouldnt give a flying **** as long as the who replaced him does well. His skin color means **** to me..**** i have shed tears for Cowher twice. When he lost to thw Cowboys and he had to console his daughters and when he finally won and those same daughters gave him the high five after beating seattle. I have crowd for Tomlin. So again cut your **** slash

I mean you said nothing can ever make you get on the dislike Tomlin bandwagon, anyone from the outside in would find that suspect. It sure makes it look like you might not be ever be against him because of shared skin color. I mean I know Vanstinkle is for a fact is trending in that direction.


But really a "schtick" doesn't really explain why you never want Tomlin displaced.

Perhaps being good is good enough for you and I am wrong about the possibility that skin color influences you.

I guess that is possible.

I dunno you tell me.
 
Never said he had a good game, but don't you agree Bryant dropped a sure TD, and Bell dropped a first down and potential game winning TD on the tying FG drive.
My point is the defense gave up an unreal amount of yards, and ypc and everyone is bitching about Ben

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This teams strength is on O would you not agree. We also, I figure can agree that our weakness is on def. the def to some regard did ok (until the ot) the offense was terrible being the strength
 
No no no the coaches should have some magical gameplan or pixie dust to fix our best player issues.

it has to be magical pixie dust to fix the issues or just better coaching?
 
tomlin and his people are a group of dotards
 
I mean you said nothing can ever make you get on the dislike Tomlin bandwagon, anyone from the outside in would find that suspect. It sure makes it look like you might not be ever be against him because of shared skin color. I mean I know Vanstinkle is for a fact is trending in that direction.


But really a "schtick" doesn't really explain why you never want Tomlin displaced.

Perhaps being good is good enough for you and I am wrong about the possibility that skin color influences you.

I guess that is possible.

I dunno you tell me.

Yes you are wrong been wrong for awhile. Putting blame on coaches is a copout to me. On every level. From pop warner on up..if you arent there how do you know??? You can scream coaching til your lungs burst then go back and watch the film and be totally wrong. So for you to try to play me that i love Tomlin the coach because he is black sucks. Like i said i was more emotionally attached to our previous coach
 
Never said he had a good game, but don't you agree Bryant dropped a sure TD, and Bell dropped a first down and potential game winning TD on the tying FG drive.
My point is the defense gave up an unreal amount of yards, and ypc and everyone is bitching about Ben

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I think this is kinda the point. Yes Ben played subpar, but really he's only singled out because he's the franchise players whose career we keep saying we want to optimize and win SB's with - yet he's often not pulling his own weight. BUT also - the run defense was HORRIFIC, special teams cost us 13 points (and really should have been 17)....

...... and none of us are surprised. Sure it's unfair to single out Ben, but really the whole team was garbage. This loss was a full team effort
 
Yes you are wrong been wrong for awhile. Putting blame on coaches is a copout to me. On every level. From pop warner on up..if you arent there how do you know??? You can scream coaching til your lungs burst then go back and watch the film and be totally wrong. So for you to try to play me that i love Tomlin the coach because he is black sucks. Like i said i was more emotionally attached to our previous coach

The ol coaching doesn't matter it is on the players viewpoint.

I forgot about this. I am wrong about you being a racist (hugs)

But you are wrong about coaching not being the difference between W and L's.

There is a reason why there is hired and fired coaches drew

No worries men can hug it isn't gay at all.
 
Post Steelers vs. Bears thoughts
September 24, 2017

Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin, right, talks to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (7) during the second half of an NFL football game against the Chicago Bears, Sunday, Sept. 24, 2017, in Chicago. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)
The Steelers aren’t playing good football right now.

We’ve known that for a few weeks, but it reared its ugly head in the terms of a loss Sunday at Chicago, 23-17, in overtime.

Offensively, they just aren’t a sum of their parts right now.

Ben Roethlisberger hasn’t been sharp in a game yet this season. In one series Sunday, he underthrew a ball to 5-10 receiver Antonio Brown that Brown somehow caught. Then, on the next play, he overthrew 6-5 receiver Martavis Bryant.

For all of the talk about this being an explosive offense, it’s been anything but.

Maybe the Steelers were distracted for this one. That will certainly be the argument of many.

But it might be time to start being concerned a little about the play of Roethlisberger, who hasn’t had any of that old magic of late - at least not when he’s throwing the ball to anyone but Brown.

Roethlisberger seems to be forcing a lot of passes to the other guys instead of just finding the open guy.

@ A lot has been and will be made about the Steelers choosing to not come out of the tunnel for the singing of the national anthem.

In this case, I have to agree with the players.

The Steelers have not had any players who have participated in any of the protests that have gone on in the league in the past season and a half. Yet they felt they were painted with the same brush as those guys by President Donald Trump.

So they chose not to participate at all.

Some will view that as a protest in its own right. Others will look at it as the team trying to stay unified.

Here’s an idea.

How about we all stop pontificating about each other’s patriotism or lack thereof.

Even better, how about we stop playing the national anthem before all sporting events, period.

I love the Olympics and one of the things I love about it is that when someone from the U.S. wins, they play the anthem and it’s a culmination of a lot of hard work. And those athletes get to show their love of country on a world stage.

But do we really need to play the anthem before pee wee football, basketball and baseball games? To me, it cheapens the meaning of the anthem.

And it’s people wrapping themselves in - sometimes - fake patriotism.

I’m all for playing the anthem - at major sporting events such as playoff games, etc. But doing it before every sporting event desensitizes people to the meaning of the song.

And don’t get me started on people standing for “America the Beautiful,” or worse, that awful Lee Greenwood song. They are not the national anthem and should not be treated as such.

I’m as patriotic as anyone. In this case, I felt the Steelers did the right thing.

@ I always find it strange when the media watch the singing of the anthem through binoculars to see who is protesting so they can complain about who is protesting.

@ Why does the Steelers’ run defense always seem to have one of these games like this where it just can’t seem to stop anything?

Then, the coaching staff will crack down on things and guys will talk about “staying in their gaps,” and the team will fix things.

Chicago had 114 yards rushing in the first half on 20 carries Sunday. Then the Bears had 34 yards on their next 14 carries in the third and fourth quarters.

That’s good run defense.

Then it all fell apart again in the overtime.

The cornerbacks did a poor job of getting off blocks and when they did, they seemed to take bad angles.

I’m not saying Artie Burns and Joe Haden were the reason the Steelers lost this game. Heck, they allowed just one reception by a receiver all day.

But when a team starts popping off big runs to the outside, you have to look at the guys on the edge.

@ Roethlisberger isn’t playing well. Neither is the offensive line.

It was missing right tackle Marcus Gilbert to start this one, which is a big loss. He’s as good as any right tackle in the league.

And then Ramon Foster went out in the first half with a thumb injury.

Chris Hubbard and B.J. Finney are fine replacements. But they are replacements.

@ I was kind of surprised Stephon Tuitt didn’t play in this game.

He practiced Thursday and Friday last week but then was held out.

I have to believe he might have made a difference in this one.

@ As bad as this loss seems - and it was a bad loss - it’s not the end of the world.

It’s a loss to an NFC team. And there were plenty of bad losses to go around in the league Sunday.

It just shows that it’s never easy to go on the road and win in the NFL.

@ I’m sure plenty of people will disagree with my stance on the anthem. That’s fine.

That’s why we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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I think this is kinda the point. Yes Ben played subpar, but really he's only singled out because he's the franchise players whose career we keep saying we want to optimize and win SB's with - yet he's often not pulling his own weight. BUT also - the run defense was HORRIFIC, special teams cost us 13 points (and really should have been 17)....

...... and none of us are surprised. Sure it's unfair to single out Ben, but really the whole team was garbage. This loss was a full team effort

I have given out too much rep it says

so I will say
"like"

lulz
 
The ol coaching doesn't matter it is on the players viewpoint.

I forgot about this. I am wrong about you being a racist (hugs)

But you are wrong about coaching not being the difference between W and L's.

There is a reason why there is hired and fired coaches drew

No worries men can hug it isn't gay at all.

Lol butthead lol
 
Yes you are wrong been wrong for awhile. Putting blame on coaches is a copout to me. On every level. From pop warner on up..if you arent there how do you know??? You can scream coaching til your lungs burst then go back and watch the film and be totally wrong. So for you to try to play me that i love Tomlin the coach because he is black sucks. Like i said i was more emotionally attached to our previous coach

I agree that, in some cases, just blaming the coach can be lazy. It's not always the coach.

But some things are fair to blame on the coach. When a team is unprepared, when bad playcalling or 4th down or timeout decisions are made, when there is a collective lack of effort across most of the team, when they are outplayed in all 3 phases by inferior talent, etc. then that screams coaching.

If it was a handful of players making critical mistakes and costing the rest of the team the game, then yes, blame those players. But the story of ALL these games like this (all 15 of them) are listless play, going through the motions, cockiness, taking the opponent lightly, a general lack of urgency and lack of effort. They are poorly coached in these games. They are well coached sometimes. He's not the worst coach in America. But there is something about being a heavy favorite that Tomlin is just seriously ill-equipped for.
 
Never said he had a good game, but don't you agree Bryant dropped a sure TD, and Bell dropped a first down and potential game winning TD on the tying FG drive.
My point is the defense gave up an unreal amount of yards, and ypc and everyone is bitching about Ben

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That's fair, I guess I just expect more out of Ben. I'm used to seeing 300+ with multiple TDs from him and we just don't get that from him on the road too much, I'm not sure why.
 
The ol coaching doesn't matter it is on the players viewpoint.

I forgot about this. I am wrong about you being a racist (hugs)

But you are wrong about coaching not being the difference between W and L's.

There is a reason why there is hired and fired coaches drew

No worries men can hug it isn't gay at all.

And there is a reason they arent fired..
 
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