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An Obviously Intelligent writer's opinion of the WR battle

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Making sense of the Steelers wide receiving corps heading into 2017

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We examine the Steelers jammed receiving corps and highlight each player’s chances of making the final roster.


With Martavis Bryant on the sidelines in 2016, the Pittsburgh Steelers were unable to maintain their hegemonic status in the league’s receiving hierarchy. The passing attack was prolific, yes, but the receiving corps was ultimately just Antonio Brown and a bunch of dudes.

The 2016 season, however, was not without its bright spots.

Eli Rogers established himself as a viable no. 3 receiver. Sammie Coates briefly became Martavis Bryant v2 before vaporizing half of the bones in his right hand. Cobi Hamilton and Demarcus Ayers both caught touchdown passes. Darrius Heyward-Bey did little to diminish his employability. Then, this offseason, Pittsburgh signed Justin Hunter, a former second-round draft choice, and used their own second-round pick on Juju Smith-Schuster, an All-American at USC and one of the top receivers in the draft.

With 11 receivers currently on the roster, the Steelers find themselves with a literal surplus. The current core is anything but a haphazardly-assembled group of nobodies. In fact, Ayers, a seventh-round draft choice in 2016, suggests that every receiver on the Steelers will either make Pittsburgh’s 53-man roster or the 53-man roster of another team.

There is some verisimilitude to Ayers’ blithe disregard for the rules of NFL roster construction. While 11 receivers will not make Pittsburgh’s final 53, half of them will. Most of the remaining players have exhibited traits that will prevent them from being summarily dismissed by other teams, and it would hardly be surprising if the majority of Pittsburgh’s receivers latch onto practice squads or active rosters elsewhere.


Let’s try to make some sense of Pittsburgh’s log-jammed grouping of receivers:

Antonio Brown
Brown is exceptionally talented and knows precisely how exceptionally talented he is. If there is currently a receiver in the NFL who has a legitimate shot at winning league MVP, it’s Brown.

Likelihood Brown makes the team: 100%

Martavis Bryant
Bryant was on a strong trajectory of excellence prior to getting blacklisted for a calendar year for smoking pot. Bryant’s value to the Steelers goes well beyond his tangible contributions, as a sizable portion of Brown’s production in 2014 and 2015 is attributable to Bryant’s presence on the opposite sideline.

With that said, Bryant still has copious hurdles to surmount this summer if he hopes to even take the field in 2017. And the aforementioned point only applies to his bi-weekly drug tests and semi-regular visits to therapy. Bryant hasn’t played football since January of 2016—it is impossible to determine what impact, in any, that absence will have on his abilities.

The bottom line is this: If Bryant successfully navigates his league-imposed “treatment program” and reacquaints himself with Pittsburgh’s offense, he is going to be one of the best no. 2 receivers in the NFL. That remains a pretty big if, but we’ll settle on giving Bryant the benefit of the doubt. For now.

Likelihood Bryant makes the team: 98%.

Eli Rogers
Rogers caught 48 passes for nearly 600 yards in 2016, which, by virtually all measures, is a pretty decent campaign for a slot receiver in what was essentially his rookie year. Rogers also made arguably the most retrospectively-important—albeit forgettable--play of the 2016 season when he caught a 20-yard dart that Ben Roethlisberger unquestionably overthrew to put the Steelers in scoring range with less than 40 seconds on the clock in their Christmas Day game against Baltimore. The only play we value less was Ladarius Green’s game-clinching reception against Cincinnati, which was ultimately the final catch of his Steelers career.

The third receiver is a vital component of Todd Haley’s weird, West Coast-ish system (Rogers, at various junctures in 2016, became Roethlisberger’s go-to safety valve, for example). Rogers isn’t on Julian Edelman’s footing in terms of ability, but he played well enough in 2016 to entrench himself as the man to beat for the slot position. Rest assured, though, dudes are gunning for that spot.

Likelihood Rogers makes the team: 90%. A bit high in my opinion

Juju Smith-Schuster
Smith-Schuster’s year-one impact remains difficult to appraise. It usually is for rookie receivers. Michael Thomas, New Orleans’ second-round pick from 2016, caught 92 passes for 1,137 yards and nine touchdowns his rookie year and made the Pro Bowl. Laquon Treadwell, a first-round draft choice of the Vikings, caught one pass for 15 yards. This isn’t to say that Thomas is a superstar or that Treadwell is a bust (Thomas played with Drew Brees, after all, while Treadwell was left at Sam Bradford’s mercy), but it does indicate that circumstances play a major role in the impact that a rookie receiver may or may not have.

Point being: Smith-Schuster will probably catch between one and 92 passes and will gain between 15 and 1,137 yards.

Likelihood Smith-Schuster makes the team: 100%

Demarcus Ayers
Ayers is training to become a starter. He has stayed late at each of Pittsburgh's OTA sessions to catch passes (250 per session, to be exact), which is exactly the kind of relentless preparation and chip-on-the-shoulder mindset that helped a certain undersized, unheralded teammate of Ayers' become the NFL's most prolific receiver.

Ayers is expected to make a strong run at the punt returner spot, which, obviously, would punch his ticket to the final 53. Brown began his career as a special teamer, too, so Ayers is definitely worth keeping an eye on.

Likelihood Ayers makes the team: 60%

Sammie Coates
Following the Smith-Schuster selection on draft night, Bryant tweeted that Coates' spot on Pittsburgh's roster was in immediate danger (I'm paraphrasing). It was a relatively terse and borderline curt statement, at best, but it wasn't particularly inaccurate. Coates did emerge as a game-altering vertical threat early in the 2016 season, but he dropped numerous passes even before his hand injury and his route tree did not extend far beyond "run as fast as possible for three seconds and then look up." He has a lot of catching up to do if he wants to make the team.

Likelihood Coates makes the team: 53%

Darrius Heyward-Bey
Heyward-Bey is the human equivalent of, say, a 2008 Nissan Altima. This isn’t meant to be an insult. Nissans are nice! Safe! Very, very practical, and highly efficient!

Heyward-Bey’s practicality is going to make him difficult to move on from. He is easily Pittsburgh’s best special teams player (and that is more important than you think) and is still savvy (re: fast) enough to contribute on offense.

Likelihood Heyward-Bey makes the team: 50%


Justin Hunter
Hunter was signed by Pittsburgh’s as an unofficial insurance policy for Bryant. His size (6-foot-4, 205 pounds), speed (4.4ish-second 40) and deep ball skills (17 yards per catch average for his career) make him comparable to Bryant and Coates. If Bryant falters in his rehab and Coates puts forth an underwhelming showing at camp, Hunter will not only make the team, but also have a sizable role in the offense.

Likelihood Hunter makes the team: 25%


Cobi Hamilton
Hamilton had some good moments last season, but it seems like his professional ceiling might be that of a deep role player or rental player. The Steelers have no room for either this season.

Likelihood Hamilton makes the team: 10%


Canaan Severin and Marcus Tucker
Severin and Tucker are very dissimilar in terms of size and skillset (Severin is a modern prototype while Tucker is more Randall Cobb-ish), but both will face the same uphill climb to even be considered for a roster spot. They are both interesting projects, but neither has a particularly strong chance of making the team.

Likelihood Severin or Tucker makes the team: 1%
 
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Who wrote this? Dude must have gotten an A during vocabulary.

Jeez, I don't want to read a science white paper. I thought this here was one of them sports sites. Now I have to go google some words. Starting with you "verisimilitude".


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I think Rogers is about 5-10% to high and AYERS is about 5-10% to low. GREAT write up and thanks Coolie for posting it. What happens when Eric Decker gets thrown into the mix???





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NFL Network replayed the crazy Steelers-Chiefs Jan. '94 playoff game earlier today (and is showing it again at 4 a.m. Wednesday).

Michaels, Dierdorf and Gifford mentioned a couple of times how much the Steelers needed an upgrade at WR. The starters were Dwight Stone and Jeff Graham (although Eric Green at TE was a load to handle). Yet O'Donnell had a good game, and even better stats than Montana.

If they had anything like this group of wideouts, they would have won a SB or two. The defense - Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Woodson, etc. - was already SB-caliber.
 
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NFL Network replayed the crazy Steelers-Chiefs Jan. '94 playoff game earlier today (and is showing it again at 4 a.m. Wednesday).

Michaels, Dierdorf and Gifford mentioned a couple of times how much the Steelers needed an upgrade at WR. The starters were Dwight Stone and Jeff Graham (although Eric Green at TE was a load to handle). Yet O'Donnell had a good game, and even better stats than Montana.

If they had anything like this group of wideouts, they would have won a SB or two. The defense - Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Woodson, etc. - was already SB-caliber.
Yeah I watched it while working. (or hardly)

Eric caught that sweet TD but was struggling with drops prior to that. (the announcers mentioned)

Stone was used on a reverse good for his speed set.

Was nice to see Greg and Kevin.and Rod....

Seeing Neil overthrow a WR made me immediately think of the SB loss. **** you Neil.

Bill went for it on 4th down, damn gutsy coach!



good watch overall
 
If they had anything like an above mediocre QB they would have won a SB or two. The defense - Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Woodson, etc. - was already SB-caliber.

Fixed it for you.
Sorry, for all the "I was on the take" O'Donnell fans out there, but he sucked.
He was just as good and bad as every other QB in-between Terry and Ben.....which is to say, the reason we couldn't win SBs.

I'll take the better QB with the jabroni WRs over the other way around every time.
Too many examples of this working.
Put this current group of WRs with O'Donnell and he still sucks and doesn't help us win.
Put Ben with Stone/Mills/Thigpen/Hastings and we're talking about more SBs.
 
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So we sign Hunter UFA and his likelihood to make the team is 25%? GTFOOH with that BS.
 
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So we sign Hunter UFA and his likelihood to make the team is 25%? GTFOOH with that BS.

Here's how I see it, barring injury

Brown 100% lock.
Ju-Ju- 100% lock.
Bryant 90%, unless he hold up a Burger King or flunks another drug test he's a lock
Rogers. 85% lock

This leaves 1-2 more spots for the others.

Heyward-Bey, Hunter, Coates, or Ayers.

I have a feeling that Hunter is the type of player that will be best with Ben and being that we signed him as a free agent, I give him the best chance of the four. 60% chance

Heyward-Bey is reliable when called upon, a perfect #5 or #6. Plus he can play special teams well. 55%

Coates better stop dropping passes, or he's history. 50%

Ayers stock took a hit when the Steelers drafted Smith, a big physical receiver with top hands for the middle or red zone. 40%.
 
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Here's how I see it, barring injury

Brown 100% lock.
Ju-Ju- 100% lock.
Bryant 90%, unless he hold up a Burger King or flunks another drug test he's a lock
Rogers. 85% lock

This leaves 1-2 more spots for the others.

Heyward-Bey, Hunter, Coates, or Ayers.

I have a feeling that Hunter is the type of player that will be best with Ben and being that we signed him as a free agent, I give him the best chance of the four. 60% chance

Heyward-Bey is reliable when called upon, a perfect #5 or #6. Plus he can play special teams well. 55%

Coates better stop dropping passes, or he's history. 50%

Ayers stock took a hit when the Steelers drafted Smith, a big physical receiver with top hands for the middle or red zone. 40%.

I agree with most of this other than to reverse DHB and Coates. I think Coates' issues were with his injury and that has been repaired and shouldn't hinder him from returning to close to the first-five-game-2016 form. He showed that he can play ST pretty well, even with the broken hand. I think he has a leg up on DHB due to the age factor. I assume he is cheaper, too.
 
I agree with most of this other than to reverse DHB and Coates. I think Coates' issues were with his injury and that has been repaired and shouldn't hinder him from returning to close to the first-five-game-2016 form. He showed that he can play ST pretty well, even with the broken hand. I think he has a leg up on DHB due to the age factor. I assume he is cheaper, too.
Didn't Coates start dripping a bunch of balls before the hand injury?
Anyways....I will also say I think he has a leg up on DHB for the reasons you stated...age and $$$.
 
Didn't Coates start dripping a bunch of balls before the hand injury?

I don't think it was a bunch. I posted some stats in another thread for his first 5 games. I think it included Targets vs. Receptions. His stats were comparable to what AB had done and was just short of AB's total yards with half the catches.
 
Rogers has to prove he is better than Ayers. If Ayers shines in the PR and/or KR game, he could edge Rogers off the roster.
 
So we sign Hunter UFA and his likelihood to make the team is 25%? GTFOOH with that BS.

I agree that 25% is too low, but Hunter has never had a season with more than 30 catches and he as been in the league for 4 years. However, it seems like a quite high # of his catches are for 1st downs. NFL site shows him with 10 catches last year with 10 1st downs. Seems odd since 4 were TD's, but maybe they count those even if there is no first down actually tallied. In 2014, he had 28 catches of which 20 were for first down. 2015 wasn't that good. 2013 was 18 catches of which 16 were first downs and 4 were for 40+ yards. I had hoped he would have had some KR or PR stats, but there were not any. I don't think you sign a FA like that and let him go, though. At least not lightly.

In what we consider a terrible year for Coates, he had 21 receptions, 16 for a first, 2 TD's and 6 of the receptions were for 40+ yards. Virtually all of that in the first 5 games. Ad he did OK enough on KR and pretty good on ST coverage. If those last games didn't **** him up, he should be better than Hunter.
 
With everything so stocked so many possibilities outside of.

Brown/Martavis/Juju

I almost want to lock Rogers in as well............
 
Rogers and Ayers are very similar. They are both short, but quick receivers. In my obviously unbiased opinion, Ayers showed to be a little better at setting guys up and making them miss after the catch. He did it against the browns and against the Dolphins. Ayers also has shown the ability to play outside and the toughness to block in the running game. Both have better hands than Heyward-Bey and post hand injury Coates (not that Coates was Jerry Rice before the injury)

Rogers had a solid season last year, but he did not do enough to say he is a lock over a healthy Ayers this season.

I would like to see both on the team unless Coates shows some balls and starts making contested catches and shows up on more routes than Go Deep and look for the ball....also if Hunter shows the skills that got him drafted now that he has quality QB throwing the ball to him.....

If both Coates and Hunter kick ***...either Ayers or Rogers will be gone. If Ayers lays claim to the PR job then he would stick. (from some reports, he is not back there on KR practice...not sure why)

Sure Heyward_bey is a good special teamer, but I would not keep a WR with questionable hands just for special teams....he could be replaced by JuJu or Hunter is he makes the roster....
 
Ayers has shown an ability to block as well.
I think the WR predictions are pretty spot on.


I didn't like the pick at first, but Ju-Ju is potential.
Ayers has shown in so little as well so he has potential. The extra work will pay dividends soon. I say Ayers and Rogers make it on the 53

Ben has a ton of weopons to utilize and if Martavis stays clean, this will be one damn explosive offense
 
I think my assessment of WRs may be a little different than some. My assessment comes down to position flexibility, as well as special teams play.

AB: Is our X receiver, can play the Y or Z, and should be playing more Y or Y2 in a 4 receiver set, as he should be moved around to create matchup problems. He's our top punt returner, and if he still returned kicks, he'd be tops there as well. He's one of the best in the league, and he's our best receiver, no question.

Bryant: Only a Z receiver. Has the ability to free up AB since his athleticism and speed does garner extra defenders on D. He doesn't offer anything on ST, but he is our top Z receiver, and earns a spot.

JuJu: On this team, they are working him at the Y, and I believe he was drafted for Z depth as well. Waiting to see if he can handle the X, but his Y/Z position flexibility is key, and should earn him a spot.

Ayres: Is the most position flexible receiver we have, other than AB. Can play the X, Y, and Z. Is the top backup at the X (behind AB). Could steal the Y position. Small in size, but big on heart. Could be the PR. Would also like to see him at KR. He's not only a willing blocker, but an active blocker. I'm going to be one of the few people that consider him a roster lock (barring injury).

Eli: only a Y receiver. Was our top slot receiver going into the season, and showed flashes of brilliance. Injuries and inconsistency hampered his productivity, and he became just another guy at the end of the season. Sadly, he offers nothing on ST. Could lose his job if Ayers and JuJu lock down the slot.

DHB and Coates are the same player. Both are Z receivers (though DHB could play the X in a pinch). DHB is the better ST player, but Coates did a great job filling in for him last year. Busted knuckles and all... I'm a bid underwhelmed with both of them. They both flash ability and big plays, and both are terribly inconsistent in catching the ball. If Coates is healed, he has a shot. If not DHB will hang on this roster for another year. I'm not sure if any other receiver we have can fill this ST need on coverage teams.

Cobi Hamilton will not make the team. He's a Z, Bryant is back, Ju Ju is here as well as Hunter. He's out in a numbers game both in Z receivers, and in ability.

Hunter is a huge target with great speed. Equates to another Z WR on this team. I'm not sure of his ST contributions, but I think for him to stick, we have to have both Coates and DHB underperform.

I'm projecting AB, JuJu, and Bryant as the X, Y, Z. Now we have Ayers, Eli, and Hunter as the backups.

If Ayres picks it up on position flexibility and takes the returns, we may only keep 5 receivers. I'd personally keep 6th, and that race, to me is DHB, Coates, and Hunter fighting for that last spot.
 
Think you're gonna see the rookie Sutton and Niles return kicks. That leaves no returning for WRs unless they let AB return punts late in games.

AB
Bryant (putting an asterisk on him)
Juju
Hunter
DHB (too solid on ST to cut IMO)
This leaves one spot for the rest of the bunch. I would guess Rogers, may the best man win.

Unless there is an injury or a suspension, Coates is probably done. I'd trade him for a late round draft pick if there are any takers.
 
Rogers has to prove he is better than Ayers. If Ayers shines in the PR and/or KR game, he could edge Rogers off the roster.

Given last season Ayers has to prove he's better than Rogers. (48 catches/594yds/12.6 yds per catch/72.6 % balls caught.) Not an easy job.
 
Given last season Ayers has to prove he's better than Rogers. (48 catches/594yds/12.6 yds per catch/72.6 % balls caught.) Not an easy job.

but does he?

I think Ayers just has to be the 6th best WR.


Obviously training camp will shed light on that.

But I think that is the bottom line.
 
but does he?

I think Ayers just has to be the 6th best WR.


Obviously training camp will shed light on that.

But I think that is the bottom line.
It may be more about who's healthy too given that injuries always seem to take someone out of the lineup. That's what happened last year
 
Given last season Ayers has to prove he's better than Rogers. (48 catches/594yds/12.6 yds per catch/72.6 % balls caught.) Not an easy job.

Yes Ayers does....but I was responding to a poster that says Rogers is a lock to make the roster and Ayers would be left off.

I really think both guys will make it unless guys like Coates and Hunter just are unstoppable and Ayers or Rogers can not win the PR duties.....

It is going to be an interesting training camp....
 
Yes Ayers does....but I was responding to a poster that says Rogers is a lock to make the roster and Ayers would be left off.

I really think both guys will make it unless guys like Coates and Hunter just are unstoppable and Ayers or Rogers can not win the PR duties.....

It is going to be an interesting training camp....

Eli and Ayers will both make it if Ayers produces in returns (crossed fingers). Sutton has shown aptitude, Davis is a toss up. DHB is a solid vet presence on ST as a gunner and the locker room. However, I don't know if he will stick if Coates shows vast improvement.

Hunter (hopefully) will not be on this team. Watched him at Tennessee (and Titans) and has been a disappointment as a 2nd rounder. Lacks intensity and regardless of whether Ben is throwing him passes, he is lackadaisical wherever he has been. Insurance signing if Bryant wasn't reinstated and hopefully not needed.

The real issue is whether they will be keeping an extra WR (DHB), DB (Gay) or getting a better ILB than Johnson after camp. One will be the extra player.
 
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