This is the PoF'in **** the Bungles took.....real nice guy....

[slashsteel]

I think she was sticking up for her friend as he looked like he was antagonizing the guy that may or may not be gay. Sure she shouldn't have slapped him but it appears he was the instigator. Then he KO's her as if that minor slap justified knocking her out. It doesn't. And if I would have seen that, Mixon and me would have been throwing hands. Regardless if it would have ended better or worse for me.

And for how our franchise might not be the Steelers of old, no way would I want that punk on our team.

 

[diver]

That was 2014. It is 2017. Does he get a chance at redemption? If he was a truck driver, would anyone resent him still being able to make a living driving a truck?

I am as conservative as it gets with a 24 year old daughter. And the truth is that if she got hit like that by someone, there wouldn't be a 3 page thread on it. No one would give a ****. I object to the hypocrisy of that.

 

[NavinRJohnson]

I dunno man. All I see here is one person escalate a verbal confrontation to a physical one by assaulting the other (two swings, while the 'victim' retreats) He reacts justifiably and without excess and immediately retreats to avoid further physical contact.

Equal rights means equal in all circumstances.
If this were a wee dude, no one would care except to say, "be more careful where you hang out in the future"

No person should act surprised or wronged should they choose to initiate or escalate a confrontation and it goes sideways.
If you're going to smack someone around, always be prepared to get smacked back, or worse.

 

[Steelerfan]

Hey, I've got freakishly large biceps so y'all better keep this thread calmed down.

 

[Troglodyte]

I don't think it takes a video to be outraged, but there is a difference between being accused of DV with no or biased witnesses and having a video showing the KO. There is no doubt in anyone's mind he hit her.

But there is also no doubt that Peterson beat his toddler with a stick or Vick tortured and killed many dogs, or Ray Lewis was (at least) present at a murder. I said then, that if their had been a videos, they would have seen their careers end. It seems like a sad commentary on how people are able to fully comprehend what they read or hear vs what they see.

 

[Vis]

Why does SHE get a pass though ?...HE ****** up.....but she played a role initiating the violence...adults need to keep their hands to themselves. This would include women. No excuse for him, no excuse for her either.....

KEEP THOSE HANDS OFF OTHER FOLKS

Wouldn't draft her either.

He did more than knock her out. He left her there. He should have called an ambulance if he wanted to claim he was justified.

 

[Superman]

I don't think it takes a video to be outraged, but there is a difference between being accused of DV with no or biased witnesses and having a video showing the KO. There is no doubt in anyone's mind he hit her.

Obviously, you can argue whether he should or shouldn't have, as noted above. However, with all of the DV mouth noises the NLF and its players made last year (or was it the year before) and The Rog not needing anything like a conviction or video to enact punishment, you would think teams would shy away from this.

exactly. so the NFL, in trying to grow its female fanbase should aggressively encourage teams to exclude players who committed DV or assaults (especially on women). Is Mixon under any kind of treatment plan to control his temper? Does he have a team of others to assist him in exercising the right choice? I mean, ****, the NFL goes balls ******* out on drugs of any kind, but seems to be ******* cool with DV.

 

[hook]

I'm not saying is his right by his actions, but he has a defense in criminal court. You take emotion out of it, and it is an action reaction incident. It wasn't premeditated. She was being verbally aggressive and struck him. He feigned a punch, and did not make contact. She struck him again, and he retaliated.

Now if she sustained serious injury, or had to go the hospital. She has a strong case in civil court to gain financial compensation, since his actions could be viewed causing a serious injury.

As an NFL owner, this video shows me he has trouble controlling his temper, and has the potential to get in trouble with the league in the future, since there is video documentation of him striking a woman. If I owned a team, I would have him as undraftable.

The Cowboys have made these moves all along. They will pick up players of questionable character, to increase the talent on their roster. If they're viewing the video as a criminal action, he has a defense, and they drafted him because of it.

Still doesn't change the fact that he has no defense from being a piece of ****.

He broke her jaw. Side of her face was numb for 6 months.

They reached a settlement 1 week prior to the draft. How ironic.

If her attorneys were smart, part of that settlement would be cutting into his rookie contract a little bit.

I still don't see how some of you can defend this scumbag.

 

[Stryker]

He broke her jaw. Side of her face was numb for 6 months.

They reached a settlement 1 week prior to the draft. How ironic.

If her attorneys were smart, part of that settlement would be cutting into his rookie contract a little bit.

I still don't see how some of you can defend this scumbag.

Those are horrid injuries. I'm glad she got some financial recourse.

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[wig]

Let's say I'm a civil attorney and I'm showing you that video.

I'm going to point out immediately that the victim walked into the cafe with her friend. She came in and sat down.

Then, after a few moments, the assailant followed her in and headed straight to the table where she and her friend were sitting and initiated a confrontation. HE initiated the confrontation. HE followed THEM into the cafe.

When the confrontation becomes heated and she pushes him away, he assaults her the first time by threatening to punch her. She did push him. There's no doubt about that. She placed hands on his chest and pushed him away. He was clearly unwanted. He'd invaded their space after following them into the cafe and initiating a hostile confrontation and she was pushing him away. He responded by physically threatening her. This is assault.

When she responds in fear to his threat falling back upon "fight or flight" response. He used his superior physical strength and training to beat her senseless. It can certainly be argued that he too was following a "Fight or Flight" response. But that doesn't explain his immediately fleeing the scene. You see Mixon KNEW he'd committed an atrocious physical assault on a defenseless victim. He KNEW he had to escape before authorities came. So it was not a panicked reactionary flight response, but a cold, calculated move after a bold crushing blow to the victim's face that left her jaw broken.

So indeed, Joe Mixon won this fight. He battered his opponent, and left with what old-school gamers would call a "flawless victory". Perhaps more honorably Mixon could have chosen an opponent better matched to his skill and strength, or at the very least, one who was actually fighting back. But, Bengals gonna Bengal.

As for

but I do understand why he wasn't arrested after watching that video.

He was, after all, a star player on a high profile collegiate football team. You'd be shocked at the **** Football and Basketball stars get away with in college towns.

 

[Superman]

Let's say I'm a civil attorney and I'm showing you that video.

I'm going to point out immediately that the victim walked into the cafe with her friend. She came in and sat down.

Then, after a few moments, the assailant followed her in and headed straight to the table where she and her friend were sitting and initiated a confrontation. HE initiated the confrontation. HE followed THEM into the cafe.

When the confrontation becomes heated and she pushes him away, he assaults her the first time by threatening to punch her. She did push him. There's no doubt about that. She placed hands on his chest and pushed him away. He was clearly unwanted. He'd invaded their space after following them into the cafe and initiating a hostile confrontation and she was pushing him away. He responded by physically threatening her. This is assault.

When she responds in fear to his threat falling back upon "fight or flight" response. He used his superior physical strength and training to beat her senseless. It can certainly be argued that he too was following a "Fight or Flight" response. But that doesn't explain his immediately fleeing the scene. You see Mixon KNEW he'd committed an atrocious physical assault on a defenseless victim. He KNEW he had to escape before authorities came. So it was not a panicked reactionary flight response, but a cold, calculated move after a bold crushing blow to the victim's face that left her jaw broken.

So indeed, Joe Mixon won this fight. He battered his opponent, and left with what old-school gamers would call a "flawless victory". Perhaps more honorably Mixon could have chosen an opponent better matched to his skill and strength, or at the very least, one who was actually fighting back. But, Bengals gonna Bengal.

As for He was, after all, a star player on a high profile collegiate football team. You'd be shocked at the **** Football and Basketball stars get away with in college towns.

 

[warriors42]

Wonder what would have happened if Mr. John Q public was sitting there and was watching this great bodily harm attack happen, and pulls out Mr. 9mm and ends the dreams of him and his family and all his homies of **** that NFL money would buy because he was a thug punk *******.

 

[Omar10213245]

Wonder what would have happened if Mr. John Q public was sitting there and was watching this great bodily harm attack happen, and pulls out Mr. 9mm and ends the dreams of him and his family and all his homies of **** that NFL money would buy because he was a thug punk *******.

john q public would likely be spending some time up the river. this ain't the movies.

 

[Omar10213245]

Ha no I don't do hapkido or kung fu ****. That's probably effective against a loud mouth like you but not against guys I train with.

whatever you say, steven seagal

 

[Blitzburgh]

whatever you say, steven seagal

Weak

 

[slashsteel]

Weak

so was your attempt to impress with your skills

as is your opinion. Because if you really teach your children right from wrong. And how to fight.

Then they would know there is no reason to knock a girl out because they slap you.

I can understand a fighter having say a reactionary push the girl down or knock them off of them in a full frontal attack.

Like say a man was asleep then approached.


But this bungle was awake instigated then assaulted.

No excuse for that.

You even have the option of holding a woman down until they aren't aggressive. I had one I had to restrain because she was bat crazy.

And still didn't knock her out.

So while you are wrestling around on the mat chest thumping how great you are,

wrestle with the fact of what I speak as truth.



hi

 

[Stryker]

Let's say I'm a civil attorney and I'm showing you that video.

I'm going to point out immediately that the victim walked into the cafe with her friend. She came in and sat down.

Then, after a few moments, the assailant followed her in and headed straight to the table where she and her friend were sitting and initiated a confrontation. HE initiated the confrontation. HE followed THEM into the cafe.

When the confrontation becomes heated and she pushes him away, he assaults her the first time by threatening to punch her. She did push him. There's no doubt about that. She placed hands on his chest and pushed him away. He was clearly unwanted. He'd invaded their space after following them into the cafe and initiating a hostile confrontation and she was pushing him away. He responded by physically threatening her. This is assault.

When she responds in fear to his threat falling back upon "fight or flight" response. He used his superior physical strength and training to beat her senseless. It can certainly be argued that he too was following a "Fight or Flight" response. But that doesn't explain his immediately fleeing the scene. You see Mixon KNEW he'd committed an atrocious physical assault on a defenseless victim. He KNEW he had to escape before authorities came. So it was not a panicked reactionary flight response, but a cold, calculated move after a bold crushing blow to the victim's face that left her jaw broken.

So indeed, Joe Mixon won this fight. He battered his opponent, and left with what old-school gamers would call a "flawless victory". Perhaps more honorably Mixon could have chosen an opponent better matched to his skill and strength, or at the very least, one who was actually fighting back. But, Bengals gonna Bengal.

As for He was, after all, a star player on a high profile collegiate football team. You'd be shocked at the **** Football and Basketball stars get away with in college towns.

As any attorney, you have to understand that assault is not verbal or pretending/feigning to strike. It is actual aggressive physical contact, which was initiated on film by the woman.

I'd also agree with your assessment that athletes get a ton of passes in football towns. It is a common theme, however, in this case, there was a video of the act. The video would have been watched by each and every officer in that precinct, yet they could not find grounds to arrest him. Still after all of this public outcry, no one is able to arrest him, because he's protected by a catch 22. He did not initiate physical contact.

The biggest problem with the brutality of his act, is that he is protected by the law.

 

[Hypocycloids]

As any attorney, you have to understand that assault is not verbal or pretending/feigning to strike. It is actual aggressive physical contact, which was initiated on film by the woman.

.

Not sure if words are considered an assault, but acting as though you're going to strike is.
I always understood assault as acting in a threatening manner...stuff like pointing a gun or knife, which is assault with a weapon.

Fists clenched, in your face threatening behavior would be considered assault.
The actual physical harming of a person is referred to as battery. Assault and battery.

One definition:

Assault

At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.

An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal or civil liability. Generally, the common law definition is the same in criminal and Tort Law

 

[Stryker]

Assault is the threat...stuff like pointing a gun or knife, which is assault with a weapon.

Fists clenched, in your face threatening behavior would be considered assault. The actual physical harming of a person is referred to as battery. Assault and battery.

I agree Stewey. But in this video, the assault originated from the woman.

 

[Hypocycloids]

I agree Stewey. But in this video, the assault originated from the woman.

I wasn't debating that! I was only trying to make clear the definition of assault... after you stated that pretending to strike was not assault. That's pretty much what assault is!

 

[Blitzburgh]

so was your attempt to impress with your skills

as is your opinion. Because if you really teach your children right from wrong. And how to fight.

Then they would know there is no reason to knock a girl out because they slap you.

I can understand a fighter having say a reactionary push the girl down or knock them off of them in a full frontal attack.

Like say a man was asleep then approached.


But this bungle was awake instigated then assaulted.

No excuse for that.

You even have the option of holding a woman down until they aren't aggressive. I had one I had to restrain because she was bat crazy.

And still didn't knock her out.

So while you are wrestling around on the mat chest thumping how great you are,

wrestle with the fact of what I speak as truth.



hi

I wasn't really trying to impress anyone on here, but whatever. You don't really have to have much training to bend and wrist lock a much smaller aggressor. I have had problems in the past and I'm not really proud of it. I think you and the other guy are just insecure, since you went on talking about how tough of a white knight you are. I honestly could give a **** about impressing anyone on the internet. I come on here mostly just for updates and to read some of the other guys' posts who know a lot more about football than I do. I would suggest that you work on your grammar, since you clearly are concerned about how others perceive you. That's why I didn't even bother responding back to you about "wut I can do".YES I do think the punch was excessive. She should have however kept her hands to herself. If you watch the video she motions for him to come over, words are exchanged and he starts to walk away. Right there she should have just left it alone, but no she stands up and assaults him by pushing him, he fakes giving her a warning when she slaps him and we all know what happened next. You are correct about the wrestling part, but other than that you have an opinion just like everyone else. I do teach my kids to not even be out that time of night, since nothing really good comes of it. There is always the potential for someone just like this chick thinking she's tough who can't keep their hands to themselves.

 

[wig]

That's not true Cope, the threat of physical violence can also be construed as assault. For example, pointing a hand gun at somebody is absolutely "Assault with a deadly weapon". Threatening to punch someone in the face, particularly during an altercation is absolutely grounds for assault. And I am willing to bet you, given the way it all play out, that it would be EASY to make assault stick given the fact that he DID in fact later break her jaw.

 

[ark steel]

But there is also no doubt that Peterson beat his toddler with a stick or Vick tortured and killed many dogs, or Ray Lewis was (at least) present at a murder. I said then, that if their had been a videos, they would have seen their careers end. It seems like a sad commentary on how people are able to fully comprehend what they read or hear vs what they see.

I think everyone knows my feelings about the bold part..

I think you did see outrage at the Peterson issue, though.

Ray Lewis, I agree he was, at least, present and should have gotten some (or harsher) punishment. Wasn't that before Goodell and his judge/jury/executioner mentality?

 

[GRBman]

I have a few thoughts I have on the Joe Mixon situation:

1) Let's say he had been prosecuted and sent to jail for his assault and battery on the girl in the cafe'. He probably would have gotten at a maximum 18 months...maybe. So, since this incident occurred 3 1/2 years ago, shouldn't he get the benefit of the doubt that most others get who serve minor stints in jail? Since he did not serve time, is he to be punished indefinitely by the public? The dude was an incoming freshman at Oklahoma. He has had plenty of time to recover and grow. Would I have drafted him? Yes, if I needed a solid, talented RB. This kid is as good as they get, he made a mistake.

2) Amelia, the girl, was punched. She wasn't raped, sexually assaulted or murdered. She wasn't beaten to a pulp, she was punched, once. Yes, Mixon broke her jaw with his uppercut, but she's fully healed at this point. People are acting like he has violated her civil rights. He punched her. Had it been a guy, this wouldn't even make the news...since it is a girl, he's being punished indefinitely.

3) The Bengals. This was a totally stupid pick on their part, not because of Mixon, but because of the opportunity. Cincinnati took Mixon near the top of the 2nd round. He could have been drafted much later. You know who else was available for Cincinnati? James Connor...the best feel-good story in the entire draft...maybe the story of the year. Cincinnati had an opportunity to steal the best story of the draft right out from under Pittsburgh's nose...and rub it in their faces. But no, Mike Brown decides to take the ONE GUY they will be universally criticized for taking...even by their own fans and local media! To boot, Cincinnati didn't really need a RB. They drafted a guy for a position they didn't really need so they could face even more criticism.

 

[IndySteel]

I have a few thoughts I have on the Joe Mixon situation:

1) Let's say he had been prosecuted and sent to jail for his assault and battery on the girl in the cafe'. He probably would have gotten at a maximum 18 months...maybe. So, since this incident occurred 3 1/2 years ago, shouldn't he get the benefit of the doubt that most others get who serve minor stints in jail? Since he did not serve time, is he to be punished indefinitely by the public? The dude was an incoming freshman at Oklahoma. He has had plenty of time to recover and grow. Would I have drafted him? Yes, if I needed a solid, talented RB. This kid is as good as they get, he made a mistake.

2) Amelia, the girl, was punched. She wasn't raped, sexually assaulted or murdered. She wasn't beaten to a pulp, she was punched, once. Yes, Mixon broke her jaw with his uppercut, but she's fully healed at this point. People are acting like he has violated her civil rights. He punched her. Had it been a guy, this wouldn't even make the news...since it is a girl, he's being punished indefinitely.

3) The Bengals. This was a totally stupid pick on their part, not because of Mixon, but because of the opportunity. Cincinnati took Mixon near the top of the 2nd round. He could have been drafted much later. You know who else was available for Cincinnati? James Connor...the best feel-good story in the entire draft...maybe the story of the year. Cincinnati had an opportunity to steal the best story of the draft right out from under Pittsburgh's nose...and rub it in their faces. But no, Mike Brown decides to take the ONE GUY they will be universally criticized for taking...even by their own fans and local media! To boot, Cincinnati didn't really need a RB. They drafted a guy for a position they didn't really need so they could face even more criticism.

I ***** about Tomlin, justifiably, but holy ****, at lease we don't have Marvin Lewis.