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1. Pittsburgh Steelers: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame

The Steelers could start planning for life after Big Ben. Sources have told me Pittsburgh likes Kizer.

Of the quarterback prospects for the 2017 NFL Draft, Kizer has the best skill set and the most upside. The 6-foot-4, 233-pounder has a strong arm that can make all the throws for the NFL. He has also flashed superb accuracy and an ability to make accurate touch passes downfield to beat good coverage in tight windows. Kizer can also make beautiful passes in the face of a pass rush. Additionally, he has the mobility to buy time for his receivers, bail out his offensive line, and pick up yards with his feet. The big problem for Kizer is consistency as he is a streaky passer and player. He also had issues late in games with critical mistakes in crunch time, so his decision-making needs to improve.

In 2016, Kizer completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,925 yards with 26 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He also ran for seven touchdowns. His completion percentage was thrown off by playing a game in the midst of Hurricane Matthew and his receivers consistently dropping well-thrown passes. He also was hurt by losing his No.1 receiver (Will Fuller), left tackle (Ronnie Stanley), center (Nick Martin), and running back (C.J. Prosise) to the NFL before the season. In 2015, Kizer completed 63 percent of his passes for 2,884 yards with 21 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He picked up 520 yards with 10 scores on the ground.

2. Pittsburgh Steelers: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida

The Steelers could use a safety to pair with Sean Davis.

In 2016, Maye recorded 50 tackles with one interception and six passes broken up. His season ended early due to injury. Maye totaled 82 tackles, six pass breakups and two interceptions in 2015. Maye was a solid free safety for Florida that season and generally a good deep center fielder, but he had an ugly performance against Alabama in the SEC Championship and didn't finish well against Michigan in the bowl game.

Sources say Maye (6-0, 210) has good free safety pass-coverage potential for the NFL and can do everything well, but also has some kinks to work out. He has a tendency to play really well and then suffer a lapse that allows a reception downfield he shouldn't. Maye needs to eliminate those hiccups in the NFL because they often led to points for the opposition.

3A. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jake Butt, TE, Michigan

The Steelers could use a receiving tight end for their offense.

Butt had 46 receptions for 546 yards and four touchdowns in 2016 before suffering some knee tears in his bowl game. He contributed as a freshman (20-235-2) and sophomore (21-211-2), but took his game to another level under head coach Jim Harbaugh in 2015. Butt notched 51 receptions for 654 yards with three touchdowns that season.

The 6-foot-5, 246-pounder is a good receiver down the seam and uses his size to his advantage. Butt looked very good as a receiver and pass blocker in Harbaugh's pro-style offense. Butt could stand to get nastier and improve his run blocking; however, he did show progress on that front as a senior.

3B. Pittsburgh Steelers: Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois

The Steelers could use an edge rusher, and Phillips could be a steal.

In 2016, Phillips recorded 56 tackles with 20 tackles for a loss, nine sacks and one forced fumble. Some sources absolutely love Phillips, but others are lukewarm on him. The teams that love Phillips (6-3, 237) say he is super athletic and twitchy. They feel that his speed and athleticism are very similar to Leonard Floyd. Like Floyd at Georgia, Phillips can struggle somewhat on run downs. However, they feel that he is a very gifted, natural pass-rushing talent. They see him as a potential early rounder. As one could expect, the teams that aren't in love with Phillips don't see him as a high pick. Additionally, off-the-field issues are hurting Phillips with a lot of teams.


4. Pittsburgh Steelers: Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M

The Steelers could use some wide receiver depth and have shown interest in Reynolds.

Reynolds totaled 61 receptions for 1,039 yards and 12 scores in 2016. He was a reliable receiver for the Aggies. Reynolds (6-2, 187) put together a quality week at the Senior Bowl, too. He showed the ability to get some late separation and is excellent on 50-50 contested catches. In 2015, Reynolds caught 51 passes for 907 yards and five touchdowns. He had a quality 2014 season with 52 receptions for 842 yards and 13 touchdowns.

5. Pittsburgh Steelers: Ejuan Price, OLB, Pittsburgh

The Steelers grab more edge-rush talent and competition.
 
1. David Njoku, TE, Miami
2. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown State
3A. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (***injured***)
3B. Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
4. Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston
5. Jalen Myrick, CB, Kansas
 
While Njoku in the first is a hard one to pass up, I think I go:
1-Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
2-Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
3a-Carl Lawson, OLB, Auburn
3b-Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
4-Elijah Qualls, NT, Washington
5-Rayshawn Jenkins, FS, Miami
 
Not a fan of this draft. I don't necessarily hate Kizer at 1.30 (although I kinda do) - but no corner at all and waiting until the comp pick to get a pass rusher would be an absolute disaster
 
Here's my issue with Kizer. I'm constantly hearing how talented he is but i never saw that on the field. I hear about all the guys he lost as the reason for his struggles but he wasn't crushing it with all those guys and still even this year, he did have good talent around him. The talent may have been inexperienced but it was still more talent than most of his opponents.

it bothers me how many games they lost with him as QB. I watched Christian Hackenberg get killed behind a Div 3 level OL for a few years and limited weapons and he was still able to grind out winning seasons by taking care of the ball. Kizer had more to work with than most college QBs and he came up short a ton.

Maybe there was some behind the scenes dysfunction. I heard Brian Kelly really wanted Malik Zaire at QB so maybe Kizer was always looking over his shoulder? Still, if he's a NFL QB, he should not be rattled by competition.

I can't see spending a 1st rounder on a QB with so many questions.
 
1. Obi Melifonwu
2. Derek Rivers
3a. Sidney Jones
3b. Carl Lawson
4. Tyus Bowser
5. some offense with rest
 
I can't see spending a 1st rounder on a QB with so many questions.

Can only do that if you think this is, indeed, your franchise QB of the future, in my not-so-humble-opinion. Anything less, you need to take an OLB or CB. There are some available on that mock, which would be better value, if Kizer aint your idea of a franchise QB.
 
http://walterfootball.com/draft2017charlie.php

1. Pittsburgh Steelers: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame

The Steelers could start planning for life after Big Ben. Sources have told me Pittsburgh likes Kizer.

Of the quarterback prospects for the 2017 NFL Draft, Kizer has the best skill set and the most upside. The 6-foot-4, 233-pounder has a strong arm that can make all the throws for the NFL. He has also flashed superb accuracy and an ability to make accurate touch passes downfield to beat good coverage in tight windows. Kizer can also make beautiful passes in the face of a pass rush. Additionally, he has the mobility to buy time for his receivers, bail out his offensive line, and pick up yards with his feet. The big problem for Kizer is consistency as he is a streaky passer and player. He also had issues late in games with critical mistakes in crunch time, so his decision-making needs to improve.

In 2016, Kizer completed 59 percent of his passes for 2,925 yards with 26 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He also ran for seven touchdowns. His completion percentage was thrown off by playing a game in the midst of Hurricane Matthew and his receivers consistently dropping well-thrown passes. He also was hurt by losing his No.1 receiver (Will Fuller), left tackle (Ronnie Stanley), center (Nick Martin), and running back (C.J. Prosise) to the NFL before the season. In 2015, Kizer completed 63 percent of his passes for 2,884 yards with 21 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He picked up 520 yards with 10 scores on the ground.

2. Pittsburgh Steelers: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida

The Steelers could use a safety to pair with Sean Davis.

In 2016, Maye recorded 50 tackles with one interception and six passes broken up. His season ended early due to injury. Maye totaled 82 tackles, six pass breakups and two interceptions in 2015. Maye was a solid free safety for Florida that season and generally a good deep center fielder, but he had an ugly performance against Alabama in the SEC Championship and didn't finish well against Michigan in the bowl game.

Sources say Maye (6-0, 210) has good free safety pass-coverage potential for the NFL and can do everything well, but also has some kinks to work out. He has a tendency to play really well and then suffer a lapse that allows a reception downfield he shouldn't. Maye needs to eliminate those hiccups in the NFL because they often led to points for the opposition.

3A. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jake Butt, TE, Michigan

The Steelers could use a receiving tight end for their offense.

Butt had 46 receptions for 546 yards and four touchdowns in 2016 before suffering some knee tears in his bowl game. He contributed as a freshman (20-235-2) and sophomore (21-211-2), but took his game to another level under head coach Jim Harbaugh in 2015. Butt notched 51 receptions for 654 yards with three touchdowns that season.

The 6-foot-5, 246-pounder is a good receiver down the seam and uses his size to his advantage. Butt looked very good as a receiver and pass blocker in Harbaugh's pro-style offense. Butt could stand to get nastier and improve his run blocking; however, he did show progress on that front as a senior.

3B. Pittsburgh Steelers: Carroll Phillips, OLB, Illinois

The Steelers could use an edge rusher, and Phillips could be a steal.

In 2016, Phillips recorded 56 tackles with 20 tackles for a loss, nine sacks and one forced fumble. Some sources absolutely love Phillips, but others are lukewarm on him. The teams that love Phillips (6-3, 237) say he is super athletic and twitchy. They feel that his speed and athleticism are very similar to Leonard Floyd. Like Floyd at Georgia, Phillips can struggle somewhat on run downs. However, they feel that he is a very gifted, natural pass-rushing talent. They see him as a potential early rounder. As one could expect, the teams that aren't in love with Phillips don't see him as a high pick. Additionally, off-the-field issues are hurting Phillips with a lot of teams.


4. Pittsburgh Steelers: Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M

The Steelers could use some wide receiver depth and have shown interest in Reynolds.

Reynolds totaled 61 receptions for 1,039 yards and 12 scores in 2016. He was a reliable receiver for the Aggies. Reynolds (6-2, 187) put together a quality week at the Senior Bowl, too. He showed the ability to get some late separation and is excellent on 50-50 contested catches. In 2015, Reynolds caught 51 passes for 907 yards and five touchdowns. He had a quality 2014 season with 52 receptions for 842 yards and 13 touchdowns.

5. Pittsburgh Steelers: Ejuan Price, OLB, Pittsburgh

The Steelers grab more edge-rush talent and competition.

You are killing me smalls
 
If a special talent at QB fell to the Steelers at 1.30 you would have to take him. Kizer is not a special talent. He is an arm talent that might pan out. I see no reason to miss out on a plug and play to improve your defense for Kizer. There will be another just like him next year. I think the Steelers will agree.
 
1. Budda Baker, S, Washington
2. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
3.a. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
3.b. Carl Lawson, OLB, Auburn
4. Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
5. Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
 
1 T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin
2 Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
3 Sidney Jones, CB Washington
3B Carl Lawson, OLB Auburn
4 Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson
5 Dwayne Thomas, CB, LSU
 
Do people believe Lawson will be available at 3b?
 
The cool thing (but unrealistic) about mocking a mock is that you can see who is available later. If this were a blind draft, based on the picks made before ours, I would take TJ Watt. BUT. . .because I can see that there are great choices at edge later:

1. Awuzie, CB, Colorado. Also considered: (OLB) Watt.

2. Godwin, WR, Penn St. Imagine a WR set of Brown, Bryant, Godwin and Coats (the one we saw in the first four games last year) with Bell in the backfield. Also considered: (Edge) Rivers, (CB) Witherspoon, (S) Jones.

3a. Carl Lawson, EDGE, Auburn. No way he drops all the way to the fourth round. Plenty of guys get injured and play well. Plenty have no injury history and catch the bug as a pro (see Golson). Also considered: (CB) Jones, (S) Evans.

3b. Tyus Bowser, LB, Houston. Insurance for Lawson plus he is athletic enough to move inside like Timmons did. Imagine a lb corps of Lawson, Shazier, Boswer, Dupree. I'm pretty sure he will be gone in the second round. Also considered for picks 3b/4: (WR) Josh Reynolds, (S) Jackson.

4. James Connor, RB, Pittsburgh.

5. Best available DB, Oline depth, or a QB if we like someone here. Could go TE too. It's hard to gauge but, because they kept Ladarias Green, i'm thinking the Steelers believe he will play next year.
 
1. 30 - Watt - OLB - My dream come true. Let Deebo work with him and beef him up and he will be a terror.
2. 62 - Josh Jones - SS/FS/Slot - Jack of all trades with size and speed to be a difference maker
3a. 94 - Sid Jones - CB - Just cannot pass up an opportunity for a pair of CBs in 2018 w Burns and Jones.
3b. 105-Tyus Bowser - OLB - Probably better than most OLBs n coverage of RB/TE right now with his basketball background and can be used right away to drop where our OLBs cannot.
4. 135 - George Kittle - TE - Is a good blocker for his size and has wheels to get open off play-action. Sends Green to Greener pasture.
5. 173 - Xavier Coleman - CB - Might be able to man the slot or play outside and has man cover experience. Held Ross to 1 catch for 10 yards and has played against some decent competition and fared well in man coverage. (might look at Golladay/WR if Bryant fails)
 
1. 30 - Watt - OLB - My dream come true. Let Deebo work with him and beef him up and he will be a terror.
2. 62 - Josh Jones - SS/FS/Slot - Jack of all trades with size and speed to be a difference maker
3a. 94 - Sid Jones - CB - Just cannot pass up an opportunity for a pair of CBs in 2018 w Burns and Jones.
3b. 105-Tyus Bowser - OLB - Probably better than most OLBs n coverage of RB/TE right now with his basketball background and can be used right away to drop where our OLBs cannot.
4. 135 - George Kittle - TE - Is a good blocker for his size and has wheels to get open off play-action. Sends Green to Greener pasture.
5. 173 - Xavier Coleman - CB - Might be able to man the slot or play outside and has man cover experience. Held Ross to 1 catch for 10 yards and has played against some decent competition and fared well in man coverage. (might look at Golladay/WR if Bryant fails)

Great mock, would only get a rb instead of Kittle or Coleman , feel it more like a need right now
 
TJ Watts seems like such an easy pick. It's a huge need and it seems that with Watt's energy and athletic tools, the worst case scenario is that he's merely a decent 8 sack per year wingman and not a star. With as poor as the OLBs have been the last few year's i'd sure take that to the bank.

But that may be the problem. Does desperation cause you to play it safe? You take that easy double instead of swinging for the fences. Watt kind of feels like that to me. I like him and i'd be fine with the pick but is that because he is the best player or because he makes us feel safe that he won't be a bust?

When i look at this mock, it is screaming to me to draft Njoku. OLB and CB are deep. Particularly at CB, you may be able to get a 1st round talent guy in RD 3. TE is also deep but the difference is Njoku is possibly the top talent at that position. He grades out significantly higher than the next TEs. Does Watt grade out that much higher than the OLB they can get in RD 2?
 
I know Njoku is rated higher, but I'd prefer Evan Engram, wouldn't even mind if they take him at 30. As big as a TE and as fast as a receiver, and we know MT like speed above almost all else.

And does no one like Jabrill Peppers anymore? What happened to his value?
 
I know Njoku is rated higher, but I'd prefer Evan Engram, wouldn't even mind if they take him at 30. As big as a TE and as fast as a receiver, and we know MT like speed above almost all else.

And does no one like Jabrill Peppers anymore? What happened to his value?

can he effectively block?
 
TJ Watts seems like such an easy pick. It's a huge need and it seems that with Watt's energy and athletic tools, the worst case scenario is that he's merely a decent 8 sack per year wingman and not a star. With as poor as the OLBs have been the last few year's i'd sure take that to the bank.

But that may be the problem. Does desperation cause you to play it safe? You take that easy double instead of swinging for the fences. Watt kind of feels like that to me. I like him and i'd be fine with the pick but is that because he is the best player or because he makes us feel safe that he won't be a bust?

When i look at this mock, it is screaming to me to draft Njoku. OLB and CB are deep. Particularly at CB, you may be able to get a 1st round talent guy in RD 3. TE is also deep but the difference is Njoku is possibly the top talent at that position. He grades out significantly higher than the next TEs. Does Watt grade out that much higher than the OLB they can get in RD 2?

With Watt, you get a high motor guy. He works hard every play and wants to get better. It seems like football is his life, so I'm not worried about early retirement. His brother is a freak, and I'm sure he will try to work hard in the league to try and measure up. Very competitive. I take him!
 
I know Njoku is rated higher, but I'd prefer Evan Engram, wouldn't even mind if they take him at 30. As big as a TE and as fast as a receiver, and we know MT like speed above almost all else.

And does no one like Jabrill Peppers anymore? What happened to his value?

DaFarriorBus83 gave him the kiss of death.
move on and far away from Peppers.
 
1. Quincy Wilson CB (love Awuzie here too...tough decision)
2. Derek Rivers OLB
3. Jake Butt TE
3c.Samaje Perrine RB
4. Carlos Henderson WR
5. Ejuan Price OLB
 
TJ Watts seems like such an easy pick. It's a huge need and it seems that with Watt's energy and athletic tools, the worst case scenario is that he's merely a decent 8 sack per year wingman and not a star. With as poor as the OLBs have been the last few year's i'd sure take that to the bank.

But that may be the problem. Does desperation cause you to play it safe? You take that easy double instead of swinging for the fences. Watt kind of feels like that to me. I like him and i'd be fine with the pick but is that because he is the best player or because he makes us feel safe that he won't be a bust?

When i look at this mock, it is screaming to me to draft Njoku. OLB and CB are deep. Particularly at CB, you may be able to get a 1st round talent guy in RD 3. TE is also deep but the difference is Njoku is possibly the top talent at that position. He grades out significantly higher than the next TEs. Does Watt grade out that much higher than the OLB they can get in RD 2?
I get what you are saying but I feel what this team needs is a plug and play edge guy or cover guy that makes the team better now. Not three years down the road that might be a superstar. Someone like Dupree or Shazier (without the injuries hopefully). This team is so close, and made no upgrades in FA. They need plug and play defense now.
 
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