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QB in round one?! Colbert likes someone.

Coach said:
Ike, with O'Donnell do you think we win that game and play in another super bowl? I recall one Stewart pick in the end zone,. Like you said 4 turnovers by a qb is tough to overcome.




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It doesn't matter what I think because he chose not to be there, but we would have had a shot, as with any type of game manager QB. Which was Cowher's staple before Kordell. However, Stewart provided unpredictability, #14 did not. Along with Bettis that was a good balance of offensive talent. As for the picks, both played horrible in a big game in the playoffs with 3 each. Both had poor decisions when the game was winnable. More so with #14, because our D was keeping the 3 Amigos in check the majority of the game.


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It doesn't matter what I think because he chose not to be there, but we would have had a shot, as with any type of game manager QB. Which was Cowher's staple before Kordell. However, Stewart provided unpredictability, #14 did not. Along with Bettis that was a good balance of offensive talent. As for the picks, both played horrible in a big game in the playoffs with 3 each. Both had poor decisions when the game was winnable. More so with #14, because our D was keeping the 3 Amigos in check the majority of the game.


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All right if that's the best I can get out of you so be it. With O'Donnell, we win the Denver AFC title game at home 80% of the time. Stewart threw three interceptions ( one in the red zone ) and lost a fumble. You just can't win like that...yet the game was close.


Therefore letting O'Donnell go in free agency cost us a super bowl appearance.


Point settled.
 
Coach said:
It doesn't matter what I think because he chose not to be there, but we would have had a shot, as with any type of game manager QB. Which was Cowher's staple before Kordell. However, Stewart provided unpredictability, #14 did not. Along with Bettis that was a good balance of offensive talent. As for the picks, both played horrible in a big game in the playoffs with 3 each. Both had poor decisions when the game was winnable. More so with #14, because our D was keeping the 3 Amigos in check the majority of the game.


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All right if that's the best I can get out of you so be it. With O'Donnell, we win the Denver AFC title game at home 80% of the time. Stewart threw three interceptions ( one in the red zone ) and lost a fumble. You just can't win like that...yet the game was close.


Therefore letting O'Donnell go in free agency cost us a super bowl appearance.


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The best you can get from me? Point settled? There is no point. Only your opinion, which you are entitled to have.

I have no clue where you get 80% from since #14 never sniffed the playoffs as a regular starter after leaving. If we had an Elway or Bledsoe at the time I would use that percentage, but I look at the givens rather than what ifs.

My retort to you was that #14 was no better in big games than Stewart..and, read carefully...O'Donnell chose to NOT be on a championship caliber team. Rather he took more money ($1.25 mil to be exact) to be on a less talented Tuna coached team. Who knows what Chan Gailey would have got out of #14.

So there is no point to take.




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O'Donnell lost a San Diego game we should have won 95% of the time and nearly lost the Colts game on the hail Mary. I don't trust or guarantee any OD win.
 
Cope said:
O'Donnell lost a San Diego game we should have won 95% of the time and nearly lost the Colts game on the hail Mary. I don't trust or guarantee any OD win.
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And he lost the San Diego game cause he was always scary as hell. Foster is open and scores if Neil anticipates the pass and throws it early. By waiting the linebacker was able to get a hand on it. Throw the ball early it's just a matter of Foster catching it.
 
antdrewjosh said:
And he lost the San Diego game cause he was always scary as hell. Foster is open and scores if Neil anticipates the pass and throws it early. By waiting the linebacker was able to get a hand on it. Throw the ball early it's just a matter of Foster catching it.
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I guess now this "point " is settled.


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Coach says : All right if that's the best I can get out of you so be it. With O'Donnell, we win the Denver AFC title game at home 80% of the time. Stewart threw three interceptions ( one in the red zone ) and lost a fumble. You just can't win like that...yet the game was close.


Therefore letting O'Donnell go in free agency cost us a lowB repuS appearance.


Point settled.
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Ike says: The best you can get from me? Point settled? There is no point. Only your opinion, which you are entitled to have.

I have no clue where you get 80% from since #14 never sniffed the playoffs as a regular starter after leaving. If we had an Elway or Bledsoe at the time I would use that percentage, but I look at the givens rather than what ifs.

My retort to you was that #14 was no better in big games than Stewart..and, read carefully...O'Donnell chose to NOT be on a championship caliber team. Rather he took more money ($1.25 mil to be exact) to be on a less talented Tuna coached team. Who knows what Chan Gailey would have got out of #14.

So there is no point to take.


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Wrong! O'Donnell had some big AFC playoff games. Remember the one vs the Colts or Chargers where he set a record for passing yardage in an AFC title game?

O'Donnell was no better than Stewart you say in playoff games? You are mistaken, he most certainly was.
 
antdrewjosh said:
And he lost the San Diego game cause he was always scary as hell. Foster is open and scores if Neil anticipates the pass and throws it early. By waiting the linebacker was able to get a hand on it. Throw the ball early it's just a matter of Foster catching it.
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Hey Antdrewjosh,

What are you charging these days for the Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomlin ball washing courses?

O'Donnell played well in the SanDiego Chargers game ( 349 passing yards, then an AFC title game record ) A defender simply made a great play.
 
Coach said:
Hey Antdrewjosh,

What are you charging these days for the Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomlin ball washing courses?

O'Donnell played well in the SanDiego Chargers game ( 349 passing yards, then an AFC title game record ) A defender simply made a great play.
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Where did I say anything about kordell Stewart?? Why don't you head back over to the draft Q and A and continue to get flogged by TMC we are all enjoying it. Playing well doesn't have nothing to do with waiting to long to pass to foster on the deciding play. If he anticipates the throw foster has a chance. Neil had a habit of not taking chances and also needing his Reciever to be wide open. That's the reason he didn't throw interceptions but sometimes you have too. Sometimes you have to give your WRs a chance Neil was very hesitant with that. Threw Alot of balls away. Good QB though best of Cowhers until Ben

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Coach said:
Wrong! O'Donnell had some big AFC playoff games. Remember the one vs the Colts or Chargers where he set a record for passing yardage in an AFC title game?

O'Donnell was no better than Stewart you say in playoff games? You are mistaken, he most certainly was.
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Coach, one name for you......Jerome Bettis. #10 had him, #14 didn't. If #36 was in #14's backfield, he wouldn't have had as many PA and THEN possibly a championship, maybe 2. You want to throw stats into this. #14 playoff record 3-4 , 9/8 TD to INT, 0 championships. #10 2-2 , 6/8 TD to INT, 0 championships.

That is the gist of this point(less) discussion.



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CoolieMan said:
only accurate post you ever made.....................
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Go back to telling us which Houston hyped player is out there for the draft and if you say he's a 3rd round guy, he might be taken in the 6th.

You don't see me wrecking your thread, do you?
 
Ike Kelly said:
Coach, one name for you......Jerome Bettis. #10 had him, #14 didn't. If #36 was in #14's backfield, he wouldn't have had as many PA and THEN possibly a championship, maybe 2. You want to throw stats into this. #14 playoff record 3-4 , 9/8 TD to INT, 0 championships. #10 2-2 , 6/8 TD to INT, 0 championships.

That is the gist of this point(less) discussion.

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Kordell in 4 playoff games had 2 touch down passes, and 8 interceptions, and he directly cost us a home AFC title game vs the Broncos with 3 picks and a fumble. The Steelers had a 13-3 team that year. Stewart sunk us.

O'Donnell also played in the lowB repuS, something Stewart never lead his team to.

Ya want more stats?!

QB Rating?
Pass completion % ?
Int Percentage ?

O'Donnell by a good margin.
 
Coach said:
Go back to telling us which Houston hyped player is out there for the draft and if you say he's a 3rd round guy, he might be taken in the 6th.

You don't see me wrecking your thread, do you?
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you wreck every thread....

last season when I hyped WJIII I said he was a second rounder....up until right before the draft when he moved up and was taken in round 1......as I have said...I only hype players I have seen a lot of game film on. Most of those are Houston players since I have seen ALL of their games (some several times).

but feel free to copy some other draft analyst info and post it here like you came up with it.......
 
Coach said:
Kordell in 4 playoff games had 2 touch down passes, and 8 interceptions, and he directly cost us a home AFC title game vs the Broncos with 3 picks and a fumble. The Steelers had a 13-3 team that year. Stewart sunk us.

O'Donnell also played in the lowB repuS, something Stewart never lead his team to.

Ya want more stats?!

QB Rating?
Pass completion % ?
Int Percentage ?

O'Donnell by a good margin.
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o'donnell threw two balls directly into the chest of the defender and lost the Super Bowl.....**** him

yeah yeah I know the receiver ran the wrong route...no excuse though...take half a second and see that your WR is not going to be there since he is sprinting downfield and hit him deep instead....**** o'donnell.....
 
CoolieMan said:
o'donnell threw two balls directly into the chest of the defender and lost the lowB repuS.....**** him

yeah yeah I know the receiver ran the wrong route...no excuse though...take half a second and see that your WR is not going to be there since he is sprinting downfield and hit him deep instead....**** o'donnell.....
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So if the receiver runs the wrong route, the interception is the quarterback's fault? WOW. Do you understand the timing of that type of pass? Hint-hint, the QB throws it on the WR's cut, and the WR runs to where the ball is supposed to be.

You are a very uneven poster. A while back there was a thread started where Max Starks flat out blamed Tomlin for a playoff loss for wearing the guys down to much in practice. Your reaction to that is?
 
Coach said:
So if the receiver runs the wrong route, the interception is the quarterback's fault? WOW. Do you understand the timing of that type of pass? Hint-hint, the QB throws it on the WR's cut, and the WR runs to where the ball is supposed to be.

You are a very uneven poster. A while back there was a thread started where Max Starks flat out blamed Tomlin for a playoff loss for wearing the guys down to much in practice. Your reaction to that is?
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I understand that type of pass and I understand the wr ****** up....but the qb can not just blindly throw the ball. he had time to see if the wr actually made his cut..(which he didn't) before letting the ball fly....

don't remember the starks thread and am not going to blindly comment on it......
 
Coach said:
Kordell in 4 playoff games had 2 touch down passes, and 8 interceptions, and he directly cost us a home AFC title game vs the Broncos with 3 picks and a fumble. The Steelers had a 13-3 team that year. Stewart sunk us.

O'Donnell also played in the lowB repuS, something Stewart never lead his team to.

Ya want more stats?!

QB Rating?
Pass completion % ?
Int Percentage ?

O'Donnell by a good margin.
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Sigh.....Coach you have every right to believe your own opinions, but as it has shown countless times, you pine away at your musings and don't review all the data.

Stewart had 6 (six) TDs and 8 picks in 4 playoff appearances. 2 pass, 4 rush. I didn't count the TD reception in the 95 AFCC game thrown by #14, so ironically #10 helped O'Donnell in that game...in which the Defense primarily won with 3 key sacks and our offense was out gained in total yards (Neil threw a pick as well).

O'Donnell had 9 TDs and 8 picks in 7 playoff appearances. Sure #10 cost us a AFCC, but #14 did too. AS WELL AS a SB.

Who cares if he threw for 350 yards in that game? They lost the game. He had 54 attempts so he better throw for at least 300.

The endgame to all of this is, to each own they had different skill sets for the QB position. The fact is they both played poorly in big games where they needed to shine and both had zero Championships. So agree to disagree and join the retire #14 jersey club.
 
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CoolieMan said:
I understand that type of pass and I understand the wr ****** up....but the qb can not just blindly throw the ball. he had time to see if the wr actually made his cut..(which he didn't) before letting the ball fly....

don't remember the starks thread and am not going to blindly comment on it......
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I could bump that thread if you really want to comment in it, which I suspect you don't.

Brady throws some of these types of passes, the difference is his receivers run their routes. Hastings did not.
 
http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/04/steelers_host_qbs_mahomes_dobbs.html

PITTSBURGH -- As the Pittsburgh Steelers began hosting their pre-Draft visits, they did so with two quarterback prospects, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Dobbs at the UPMC Rooney Sports Complex.

The former Texas Tech and Tennessee signal callers, respectively, were joined by Northern Illinois wide receiver Kenny Golladay and Texas A&M wideout Josh Reynolds.

Mahomes and Dobbs' visits come in an offseason when Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert has said the team needs to bring in a young quarterback behind Ben Roethlisberger at some point - it's just a matter of when, he said - and head coach Mike Tomlin left the door wide open to drafting a quarterback.

Dobbs is one of several QBs we know the Steelers interviewed at the Combine
Projections for the 2017 NFL Draft have Mahomes all over the proverbial big board while Dobbs is considered a late-round pick.

NFL.com considers the 6-foot-3, 194-pound Reynolds a potential No. 2 or No. 3 receiver for an NFL team. Golladay, a fellow target at 6 feet, 4 inches and 218 pounds, is rated as a fourth-round pick by NFL Draft Scout.
 
mightyguru said:
http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2017/04/steelers_host_qbs_mahomes_dobbs.html

PITTSBURGH -- As the Pittsburgh Steelers began hosting their pre-Draft visits, they did so with two quarterback prospects, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Dobbs at the UPMC Rooney Sports Complex.

The former Texas Tech and Tennessee signal callers, respectively, were joined by Northern Illinois wide receiver Kenny Golladay and Texas A&M wideout Josh Reynolds.

Mahomes and Dobbs' visits come in an offseason when Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert has said the team needs to bring in a young quarterback behind Ben Roethlisberger at some point - it's just a matter of when, he said - and head coach Mike Tomlin left the door wide open to drafting a quarterback.

Dobbs is one of several QBs we know the Steelers interviewed at the Combine
Projections for the 2017 NFL Draft have Mahomes all over the proverbial big board while Dobbs is considered a late-round pick.

NFL.com considers the 6-foot-3, 194-pound Reynolds a potential No. 2 or No. 3 receiver for an NFL team. Golladay, a fellow target at 6 feet, 4 inches and 218 pounds, is rated as a fourth-round pick by NFL Draft Scout.
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Front office doing their due diligence...as always.


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Coach said:
I could bump that thread if you really want to comment in it, which I suspect you don't.

Brady throws some of these types of passes, the difference is his receivers run their routes. Hastings did not.
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Here are Stark's comments

"He was too tough the first year. He had us in pads through week thirteen - proving himself too much maybe. We were wound down - maybe that's why we lost in the playoffs to Jacksonville that season despite being well-positioned in the playoffs. It was just too rough - we had nothing left.

But, he made the change the next season. He took care of us during the week and told us he'd take the chains off us dogs on game day. We won the lowB repuS that season. He also set up an advisory board of veteran players so we could express our grievances to him. It wasn't a dictatorship. He was willing to bend. That led to our success."

Ok Coach now what also did Max say that you left out? Tomlin did something that you never do. Learn from his mistake and it helped the Steelers the next year. But if he doesn't go tough in his first year it could be said he never gets the respect of his team. And he probably earned even more respect by realizing he needed to let up. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Here are Stark's comments

"He was too tough the first year. He had us in pads through week thirteen - proving himself too much maybe. We were wound down - maybe that's why we lost in the playoffs to Jacksonville that season despite being well-positioned in the playoffs. It was just too rough - we had nothing left.

But, he made the change the next season. He took care of us during the week and told us he'd take the chains off us dogs on game day. We won the lowB repuS that season. He also set up an advisory board of veteran players so we could express our grievances to him. It wasn't a dictatorship. He was willing to bend. That led to our success."

Ok Coach now what also did Max say that you left out? Tomlin did something that you never do. Learn from his mistake and it helped the Steelers the next year. But if he doesn't go tough in his first year it could be said he never gets the respect of his team. And he probably earned even more respect by realizing he needed to let up. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
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It's very rare for a player to openly blame a playoff loss on a coach, but it happened. Kudos to Starks, who for whatever reason was left unprotected despite being our best-left tackle for a few seasons.

Tomlin makes way too many coaching mistakes, like keeping us in a soft zone vs Tom Brady, who historically picks that type of defense apart.

Like I said without Ben he's toast. A good coach is supposed to figure out ways for this team to win, not tire them out to the point where they are not 100%, or put them in a bad scheme and play into the other teams strengths.

But we know you love him, so whatever facts are presented won't change your mind.
 
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