- Joined
- Apr 8, 2014
- Messages
- 11,360
- Reaction score
- 10,078
- Points
- 113
i guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we?
I didn't hear you ..
- Thread starter Steelerfan81
- Start date
i guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we?
Not knowing either way, I'd tag Bell this year, let Brown play his final year and see how that goes, then depending on how that goes, I'd look to tag Brown next year, but not sure if that would effect his performance. If I thought he'd accept a 3 year deal, I'd look at that too.
It's pretty amazing how AB has been a model player and worker for the team up until this past game. Sure, he had a few (only a few) celebration penalties but that's nothing. So, what changed all of a sudden? Is all of this just because he is now due the big contract the Steelers said they would give him and he deserves? Seems to me, 99% of the people on this board were whining last year and the year before saying AB should have been paid then. Now, they want to get rid of him. Did this board turn liberal or something?
I don't necessarily want to get rid of him, if what Cook said is true, then that changes my mind. I also never wanted to pay him as the highest paid wr.
Brown will not play out his final year. He made 10 million this season. You think he's going to play for 4 this year? He has every right to hold out and I hope he does if the Steelers try to **** him. They promised him for two years they'd pay him. He's grossly underpaid in NFL terms. He will get a contract slightly better then what Dez and Thomas got.
Not sure why he shouldn't be paid as the highest paid WR when he clearly is the best WR in the game. We have 40 million in cap room. We will be able to sign all the people we need to in the next few years. Colbert hasn't really let us down when it comes to letting our own guys walk. It rarely happens and when it does it's usually the right call.
Not sure why he shouldn't be paid as the highest paid WR when he clearly is the best WR in the game. We have 40 million in cap room. We will be able to sign all the people we need to in the next few years. Colbert hasn't really let us down when it comes to letting our own guys walk. It rarely happens and when it does it's usually the right call.
Here's Joe Starkey's thoughts.
Mike White, @mw_ste3lcity: What are your thoughts on Martavis Bryant?
Starkey: Well, when he’s not baking more than Rachael Ray, Mike, he is a game-changing receiver (in an unrelated note, I think, I just discovered that Martavis spellchecks to “Martinis”). He is a player of such rare quality, in fact, that he transforms the entire offense by his mere presence. Do you know of many 6-foot-4 receivers who run like that?
Bryant has 14 touchdown catches in 21 career games, not to mention a 17.3-yard average. That mark would have put him third in the league this season. As you probably know, he has applied for reinstatement and will be subject to a meeting with commissioner Roger Goodell (assuming Goodell is not booed to death in Houston) or his representative, along with a league medical advisor who will make a recommendation to Goodell.
The question on a lot of minds seems to be this: Would a clean Martavis be the No. 1 receiver who could make Antonio Brown expendable?
My answer: Be serious.
How can you trust a guy who already got himself suspended for a year? Besides which, I seriously doubt Bryant could be as consistently productive and electric as Brown. Not many could.
The narrative on Brown has become borderline unfathomable, by the way. You know when you make one of those Pros-Cons ledgers when considering a new job or a new school or some such thing?
The one on whether to keep Brown would read like this:
CON: Took inappropriate Facebook video
PRO: Won division with legendary play
CON: Sometimes pouts
PRO: Won a playoff game in first quarter
CON: Is concerned with numbers
PRO: Puts up historically significant numbers
CON: Twerked in end zone
PRO: Found end zone 14 times
CON: Makes Ben mad
PRO: Turns 5-yard Ben passes into TDs
The game-changer in the Cons column would be if Brown did, in fact, intentionally run the wrong routes — even just once — in the AFC title game. My Post-Gazette colleague Ron Cook, in his provocative column Sunday, suggested it might have happened.
If that is proven true, then it should be an A-1 story under the headline: “Brown sabotaged Steelers in AFC championship,” and Brown should immediately be traded. That is a fireable offense.
It’s one thing to run the wrong routes because you’re not focused (and I’m sure Brown has done that). It’s quite another to sabotage your team by intentionally running the wrong routes in a conference championship game (I refuse to believe that happened).
In the meantime, I’m sticking with the Pros and putting Brown maybe third on the team’s Most Selfish Player List (behind guys who regularly get suspended) and second or third on Most Dramatic Player List — definitely behind the quarterback, who, as you might have heard, is thinking about retiring. Ben Roethlisberger also ripped the coach in public when the Steelers won to improve to 4-1.
You know, it’s funny: Tom Brady sets the tone in New England by basically demanding that the coach reprimand him like everyone else. Here, the quarterback reprimands the coach!
Mike White, @mw_ste3lcity: What are your thoughts on Martavis Bryant?
Starkey: Well, when he’s not baking more than Rachael Ray, Mike, he is a game-changing receiver (in an unrelated note, I think, I just discovered that Martavis spellchecks to “Martinis”). He is a player of such rare quality, in fact, that he transforms the entire offense by his mere presence. Do you know of many 6-foot-4 receivers who run like that?
Bryant has 14 touchdown catches in 21 career games, not to mention a 17.3-yard average. That mark would have put him third in the league this season. As you probably know, he has applied for reinstatement and will be subject to a meeting with commissioner Roger Goodell (assuming Goodell is not booed to death in Houston) or his representative, along with a league medical advisor who will make a recommendation to Goodell.
The question on a lot of minds seems to be this: Would a clean Martavis be the No. 1 receiver who could make Antonio Brown expendable?
My answer: Be serious.
How can you trust a guy who already got himself suspended for a year? Besides which, I seriously doubt Bryant could be as consistently productive and electric as Brown. Not many could.
The narrative on Brown has become borderline unfathomable, by the way. You know when you make one of those Pros-Cons ledgers when considering a new job or a new school or some such thing?
The one on whether to keep Brown would read like this:
CON: Took inappropriate Facebook video
PRO: Won division with legendary play
CON: Sometimes pouts
PRO: Won a playoff game in first quarter
CON: Is concerned with numbers
PRO: Puts up historically significant numbers
CON: Twerked in end zone
PRO: Found end zone 14 times
CON: Makes Ben mad
PRO: Turns 5-yard Ben passes into TDs
The game-changer in the Cons column would be if Brown did, in fact, intentionally run the wrong routes — even just once — in the AFC title game. My Post-Gazette colleague Ron Cook, in his provocative column Sunday, suggested it might have happened.
If that is proven true, then it should be an A-1 story under the headline: “Brown sabotaged Steelers in AFC championship,” and Brown should immediately be traded. That is a fireable offense.
It’s one thing to run the wrong routes because you’re not focused (and I’m sure Brown has done that). It’s quite another to sabotage your team by intentionally running the wrong routes in a conference championship game (I refuse to believe that happened).
In the meantime, I’m sticking with the Pros and putting Brown maybe third on the team’s Most Selfish Player List (behind guys who regularly get suspended) and second or third on Most Dramatic Player List — definitely behind the quarterback, who, as you might have heard, is thinking about retiring. Ben Roethlisberger also ripped the coach in public when the Steelers won to improve to 4-1.
You know, it’s funny: Tom Brady sets the tone in New England by basically demanding that the coach reprimand him like everyone else. Here, the quarterback reprimands the coach!
I'm not sure why this has gone public other than to drive down the cost of his contract extension. Leaking this info drives down his trade value, so I don't think we're gonna see a trade like we saw with Santonio.
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2014
- Messages
- 5,307
- Reaction score
- 4,795
- Points
- 113
The going rate was 5-years, 70 million two years ago for a player the caliber of Brown. He is going to ask for 5-years, 80 million but we'll balk at that and things could go back-and-forth a bit. He is 29, this is his 3rd contract (instead of his 2nd) and we do have some leverage at the table because we could force him to play out (even if he only plays 6 games and the playoffs) this year AND franchise tag him in 2018.
I'm not sold it's the right decision but I understand the pros/cons. I'm not sold WR's win you games.
We are very offense heavy with our salaries right now and adding Bell and Brown into the mix would make us the most lopsided salary cap team with respect to offense/defense in the league.
Remember, Brown's salary and cap hits aren't in a vacuum. For every dollar we save NOT spending in on Brown it's not going into Rooney's pocket. We'll spend it on something else. Maybe on a pass rusher or maybe on better depth along the O-line or maybe on secondary help. If you throw in the fact we might get those dollars AND a 1st round pick to help the team? Who knows. The article above doesn't mention any of those positives in the "let him go column"....
I'm not sold it's the right decision but I understand the pros/cons. I'm not sold WR's win you games.
We are very offense heavy with our salaries right now and adding Bell and Brown into the mix would make us the most lopsided salary cap team with respect to offense/defense in the league.
Remember, Brown's salary and cap hits aren't in a vacuum. For every dollar we save NOT spending in on Brown it's not going into Rooney's pocket. We'll spend it on something else. Maybe on a pass rusher or maybe on better depth along the O-line or maybe on secondary help. If you throw in the fact we might get those dollars AND a 1st round pick to help the team? Who knows. The article above doesn't mention any of those positives in the "let him go column"....
He was the fourth highest paid wr heading into this past season, and I think Julio Jones is the best wr in football who wasn't even in the top 5 paid WR's.
Not those days. Next season should be interesting. I have a hunch Ben is gonna hang 'em up though
Ben Roethlisberger is not retiring.. I'll glad turn this web site over to you if that happens.Not those days. Next season should be interesting. I have a hunch Ben is gonna hang 'em up though
Furthermore Art Rooney II said today after speaking with Roethlisberger he doesn't believe he will retire.
Sent from my SM-G930V using Steeler Nation mobile app
- Joined
- Jul 4, 2014
- Messages
- 926
- Reaction score
- 299
- Points
- 63
No way MTC. You think he'd be willing to hand over an 18 million dollar signing bonus on top of being one of the favorites next year?Not those days. Next season should be interesting. I have a hunch Ben is gonna hang 'em up though
Sent from my Pixel using Steeler Nation mobile app
You need to do better research. Brown has the 4th highest base salary because they moved that four million from 2017 to 2016. .. But he isn't a in the top ten in total salary.
1. Bengals WR A.J. Green: $15 million
2. Bears WR Alshon Jeffery: $14.6 million
3. Falcons WR Julio Jones: $14.3 million
4. Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas: $14 million
5. Cowboys WR Dez Bryant: $14 million
6. Colts WR TY Hilton: $13 million
7. Seahawks WR Doug Baldwin: $11.5 million
8. Chargers WR Keenan Allen: $11.3 million
9. Buccaneers WR Vincent Jackson: $11.1 million
10. Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald: $11 million
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2014
- Messages
- 1,249
- Reaction score
- 989
- Points
- 113
It's amazing how many people can be sucked in by an off hand comment like hey maybe the guy ran the wrong route on purpose. That is terrible journalism on Cook's part, obviously put out there to draw this type of reaction from the public. It's tabloid journalism at its finest.
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2014
- Messages
- 1,953
- Reaction score
- 1,197
- Points
- 113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzSmbPCfgAE
Watch it. You can skip ahead to the 1:58 mark. He gets bumped by #53, who continues in coverage underneath him. He HAD to go deeper or there would have been nowhere for Ben to throw that ball. His antics are tiring, but for ***** sake stop making **** up already. Yeah, I know, some of you guys have coached football at upper levels. Obviously.
Watch it. You can skip ahead to the 1:58 mark. He gets bumped by #53, who continues in coverage underneath him. He HAD to go deeper or there would have been nowhere for Ben to throw that ball. His antics are tiring, but for ***** sake stop making **** up already. Yeah, I know, some of you guys have coached football at upper levels. Obviously.
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2014
- Messages
- 1,953
- Reaction score
- 1,197
- Points
- 113
Easy now, someone said different somewhere. LOL. Other than Jones and maybe Green none of those guys are in his league. But by all means, let's get rid of the best WR he's ever had to throw to.
This should effectively end this thread. He had to run the route thw way he did. If he goes underneath 53 legally clobbers him. When he gets up Houston clobbers him.
Sent from my HTC6535LVW using Steeler Nation mobile app
I mean I said this 12 hours ago and they continued to tell me that it just wasn't true..
Sent from my SM-G930V using Steeler Nation mobile app
After getting SF81's input, he'll return. Of course Ben was being emotional when he made that statement. But we are towards the end of Ben's career. Gotta make them count
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2014
- Messages
- 5,307
- Reaction score
- 4,795
- Points
- 113
Only one of those guys has a Super Bowl ring..... just saying.