To all the haters

[antdrewjosh]

You don't believe the Steelers "could of" implemented a man-to-man scheme? Gay is most comfortable in the slot, so you put him on Edelman, who will get a few cookies in that matchup, I'll give you that.

But the capable Burns can't man up on Hogan? Shazier (the quickest linebacker in the league) can't cover Bennett? Gilbert (an outstanding man-cover corner at Oklahoma State) is "incapable" of keeping up with Malcolm Mitchell? Or Cockrell?

Really?

You've already said that the gameplan sucked. Don't change your tune now, man. Don't do it.

Unlike you I try to see both sides of an argument. Yes I thought the game plan sucked because I'm aggressive by nature. But that doesn't mean I can't see the other side of the coin. Only press corner we have who has been playing is burns. Cockrell is not a press corner. And gay cannot stay with Edelman in the slot one on one. They tried and Gay was torched each time. Gilbert hasn't done anything since he has been here so why would I count anything he did in college. He played in Cleveland who do play man to Man and he is here. If we had played Man to man there is also the great possibility the Patriots break out the thousand pick plays they run. Making even harder for the slot player to be picked up. The issue to me was more the front who didn't get any pressure. I also read every article even the pay sites I can find and try to piece together what happened instead of stubbornly staying with my initial assessment and that's it.

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[SteelerInLebanon]

You don't believe the Steelers "could of" implemented a man-to-man scheme? Gay is most comfortable in the slot, so you put him on Edelman, who will get a few cookies in that matchup, I'll give you that.

But the capable Burns can't man up on Hogan? Shazier (the quickest linebacker in the league) can't cover Bennett? Gilbert (an outstanding man-cover corner at Oklahoma State) is "incapable" of keeping up with Malcolm Mitchell? Or Cockrell?

Really?

You've already said that the gameplan sucked. Don't change your tune now, man. Don't do it.

The other problem with this is players can't just match up like in basketball. Motion, crossing routes, picks multiple receiver sets and formation shifts can all affect what player someone has to cover. The Patriots are great at making changes to get the match up they want and with the limited experience we have in man to man we would have been woefully over-matched with the "current" level of experience.

Saying that the game plan still sucked and so did the execution of it for that part I blame the players as much as the coaches. Butler like Haley are great Coaches and have good playbooks but what they are only decent at and in this case woefully inept, is calling a game that is outside their comfort level which I would say any game against Bill is. They might know how to put together a good plan but not call in the right plays at the right time during the game itself.

 

[topseed]

Unlike you I try to see both sides of an argument. Yes I thought the game plan sucked because I'm aggressive by nature. But that doesn't mean I can't see the other side of the coin. Only press corner we have who has been playing is burns. Cockrell is not a press corner. And gay cannot stay with Edelman in the slot one on one. They tried and Gay was torched each time. Gilbert hasn't done anything since he has been here so why would I count anything he did in college. He played in Cleveland who do play man to Man and he is here. If we had played Man to man there is also the great possibility the Patriots break out the thousand pick plays they run. Making even harder for the slot player to be picked up. The issue to me was more the front who didn't get any pressure. I also read every article even the pay sites I can find and try to piece together what happened instead of stubbornly staying with my initial assessment and that's it.

The other side of the coin still sucked (no matter how many articles on pay sites you read), and has NEVER, NOT ONCE, come close to slowing down Brady. So, the alternative cannot be worse. If Gay can't handle it, then you double-team Edelman and assume that Gilbert can cover a guy named Malcolm Mitchell, who had a total of 43 yards the prior 3 weeks. You blitz at every opportunity and take your chances. You don't rush three guys and allow Brady to pick apart a zone he could eat alive in his sleep.

 

[topseed]

The other problem with this is players can't just match up like in basketball. Motion, crossing routes, picks multiple receiver sets and formation shifts can all affect what player someone has to cover. The Patriots are great at making changes to get the match up they want and with the limited experience we have in man to man we would have been woefully over-matched with the "current" level of experience.

Saying that the game plan still sucked and so did the execution of it for that part I blame the players as much as the coaches. Butler like Haley are great Coaches and have good playbooks but what they are only decent at and in this case woefully inept, is calling a game that is outside their comfort level which I would say any game against Bill is. They might know how to put together a good plan but not call in the right plays at the right time during the game itself.

Man-to-man is the simplest coverage scheme out there, my friend. It's the coaches' job to help the young players understand the nuances of all those things you mentioned, but it's not rocket science, and without Gronk, the Patriots don't have an elite receiving corps. I'm sorry, they just don't. They have a bunch of guys who can "woefully over-match" a simple, non-pressuring zone defense with one of the best quarterbacks of our generation.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Man-to-man is the simplest coverage scheme out there, my friend. It's the coaches' job to help the young players understand the nuances of all those things you mentioned, but it's not rocket science, and without Gronk, the Patriots don't have an elite receiving corps. I'm sorry, they just don't. They have a bunch of guys who can "woefully over-match" a simple, non-pressuring zone defense with one of the best quarterbacks of our generation.

If your talking a base man to man I will agree. If you stay in a base man to man Brady would eat that **** up. You would have to mix up coverages and blitzes disguise who is on who and that is not our forte with this group in man packages. Not with three rookies starting. Yes it is the coaches job but you also have to be realistic with the experience level of your team.


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[topseed]

If your talking a base man to man I will agree. If you stay in a base man to man Brady would eat that **** up. You would have to mix up coverages and blitzes disguise who is on who and that is not our forte with this group in man packages. Not with three rookies starting. Yes it is the coaches job but you also have to be realistic with the experience level of your team.

Of course. There is no one perfect defense against Brady. But other teams have shown some levels of success defending him over the years, and they certainly played it a whole lot differently than the Steelers did again last Sunday.

 

[DBS1970]

There is a formula for beating the Cheatriots that everyone knows except Mr Tomlin. Jam their recievers at the line and press them, and rush 4 or 5 and hit Brady. Tomlin keeps us in zone, and Brady picks us apart. Time for Mr Tomlin to go.

 

[obxsteeler]

There is a formula for beating the Cheatriots that everyone knows except Mr Tomlin. Jam their recievers at the line and press them, and rush 4 or 5 and hit Brady. Tomlin keeps us in zone, and Brady picks us apart. Time for Mr Tomlin to go.

How many people beat him this year doing that?

 

[Drink IRON City]

How many people beat him this year doing that?

Flip the coin and ask.........................HOW many teams beat then with their two best rush LBs in coverage. The best way to beat them, at their house, is with a radio frequency jammer.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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[DBS1970]

How many people beat him this year doing that?

Only two. Being successful at the formula takes some doing but you have to try. Mr Tomlin hasn't got the smarts to even try.

 

[Coach]

I was fooled for a bit that the coaching staff could hang with the likes of the Cheaters.

They can't. Same old ****. Sit back 10 yards and let Brady throw short and carve up a reactive defense that's on it's heels from the start.

Tomlin, Haley and Butler have no ******* clue what their doing. None whatsoever. I'm not hating. I'm pointing out the painfully unprepared gameplan on the part of the Steelers coupled with a pathetic over-reliance on Bell.

How'd THAT workout?

New England has had the blueprint to beat us for years, and the coaching deployment and calls made their job even easier by deploying this soft zone coverage.

If we went down swinging, with effort and a strategy behind it, okay I'll accept we simply are not good enough....yet. That was NOT the case.

 

[SteveA]

I hate the haters.........................

 

[Drink IRON City]

I hate the haters.........................

Don't hate the different opinions..........That's mostly what they are. When pointing out weaknesses of said coache's / players / schemes.... Doesn't mean hate. In my opinion, yes CMT did NOT have this team prepared. No other way to baby step that. Now combine this with his past efforts and one can see why the cry to replace. Don't hate but do express.




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[Acereros]

How many people beat him this year doing that?

Had the Texans had a descent QB, they would've beating the Patriots. They controlled Brady for most of the game. Their O just couldn't score, nor give the D a very needed rest.

 

[slashsteel]

Don't hate the different opinions..........That's mostly what they are. When pointing out weaknesses of said coache's / players / schemes.... Doesn't mean hate. In my opinion, yes CMT did NOT have this team prepared. No other way to baby step that. Now combine this with his past efforts and one can see why the cry to replace. Don't hate but do express.




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at the very least he signed off on ****

a big pile of steaming **** of a gameplan on both sides of the ball.


for me it is over it is done

but like they want the players to learn, I am hoping they learn as to what works and what obviously doesn't

 

[antdrewjosh]

Don't hate the different opinions..........That's mostly what they are. When pointing out weaknesses of said coache's / players / schemes.... Doesn't mean hate. In my opinion, yes CMT did NOT have this team prepared. No other way to baby step that. Now combine this with his past efforts and one can see why the cry to replace. Don't hate but do express.




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The Steelers played an exhausting and emotional game at Kansas City -- the fourth in fifth games that went to the wire -- and got home at 5 a.m.
I watched Wednesday's practice and wondered where was all the chatter and just plain energetic fun that had been at such practices the previous nine weeks. I really thought they were sluggish and asked two players about it.
"Today wasn't really sluggish," said the ever-insightful Ross Cockrell. "But today was definitely a day to see where we are in the recuperation process."
I did notice one guy on the field with boundless energy. As always, from early May through late January, it was Mike Tomlin.
"Yeah. It amazes me, too," Cockrell said. "His energy, the preparation he brings each and every week to us, is a special thing. He's a special coach. He's the reason we are where we are now."
I wonder if Tomlin would ever admit to feeling the need to stir his team from its understandable slumber on that day.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1748979-state-of-the-steelers

 

[Drink IRON City]

The Steelers played an exhausting and emotional game at Kansas City -- the fourth in fifth games that went to the wire -- and got home at 5 a.m.
I watched Wednesday's practice and wondered where was all the chatter and just plain energetic fun that had been at such practices the previous nine weeks. I really thought they were sluggish and asked two players about it.
"Today wasn't really sluggish," said the ever-insightful Ross Cockrell. "But today was definitely a day to see where we are in the recuperation process."
I did notice one guy on the field with boundless energy. As always, from early May through late January, it was Mike Tomlin.
"Yeah. It amazes me, too," Cockrell said. "His energy, the preparation he brings each and every week to us, is a special thing. He's a special coach. He's the reason we are where we are now."
I wonder if Tomlin would ever admit to feeling the need to stir his team from its understandable slumber on that day.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1748979-state-of-the-steelers

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[6Lombardis]

There is a formula for beating the Cheatriots that everyone knows except Mr Tomlin. Jam their recievers at the line and press them, and rush 4 or 5 and hit Brady. Tomlin keeps us in zone, and Brady picks us apart. Time for Mr Tomlin to go.

Denver and even Houston have someone we don't, they have dominant pass rushers. We don't have that. When we do (woodley and Harrison in his prime), we pressed and won in 2011. I agree they could have tried, but honestly, we don't have the Vonn Miller and two others rushers needed to make Brady look bad.

 

[stillwright]

Don't you have to try something different though? Or just do the same old same old and expect a different result. I honestly can say I was speechless when I saw we were doing the same defense we always do. And then in the 3rd quarter when I saw we really didn't change anything......well at that point as a fan I was just plan disappointed.

 

[SteveA]

Don't hate the different opinions..........That's mostly what they are. When pointing out weaknesses of said coache's / players / schemes.... Doesn't mean hate. In my opinion, yes CMT did NOT have this team prepared. No other way to baby step that. Now combine this with his past efforts and one can see why the cry to replace. Don't hate but do express.




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I said I hate the haters. Totally different from someone's legitimate opinion. No man can judge the heart or intent on any situation. But, our words give us away

 

[Coryea]

NE ran the exact same ******* flea flicker vs Baltimore, and Mitchell says we never saw that before, Bud Dupree says they weren't ready for their no huddle. Tomlin did a hell of a job to keep this team together, but those two statements are ridiculous and Cockrell saying how great his preparation is, was just sunshine being blown up his coaches ***.
On the flip side Hogan said we had a good idea of how they were going to try to defend us

 

[DBS1970]

Denver and even Houston have someone we don't, they have dominant pass rushers. We don't have that. When we do (woodley and Harrison in his prime), we pressed and won in 2011. I agree they could have tried, but honestly, we don't have the Vonn Miller and two others rushers needed to make Brady look bad.

You're right James Harrison is not in his prime he still pretty good at it though. He still should be getting after Brady every dog on down instead of dropping back into coverage in the middle. If we're going to have a linebacker do that Shazier is the obvious choice.

 

[obxsteeler]

Since they have all this advice will be interesting to see how the Falcons play it. I guess anything but bump and run on all receivers and a 5 man rush will mean they are dumb.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You're right James Harrison is not in his prime he still pretty good at it though. He still should be getting after Brady every dog on down instead of dropping back into coverage in the middle. If we're going to have a linebacker do that Shazier is the obvious choice.

By formation the Patriots are able to dictate who is the drop LB..it's not that the Steelers are dropping him..he has to drop according to the formation the patriots come out in.

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[Drink IRON City]

I said I hate the haters. Totally different from someone's legitimate opinion. No man can judge the heart or intent on any situation. But, our words give us away

Awesome and yes words do have meaning. Unfortunately there is a lot is missed when not expressing face to face conversations. Bottom line is until we have walked the mile in that man's shoes, we can't determine for them. And even if we walked in their shoes, they still have to determine for themselves.

Our STEELERS need a couple of 3 or 4 pieces and we will be more of a force this coming season, with or without a new coach (s).




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