That's as good as it gets with Tomlin

[antdrewjosh]

I seem to recall Cowher beating New England in the playoff with kordell Stewart.

Colbert has give Tomlin what he He needs

The truth is Tomlin is one of the reasons we can't advance.

Really who was the coach who was the QB?

Oh Colbert has given him what he needs I could of swore when the drafting of this team was being questioned it was Tomlin doing the drafting. Now that that same talent has developed and contributed to a AFC championship game loss its Colbert.

 

[Stryker]

Honestly, I thought this team was a year away and was over achieving. We had 3 rookie starters on D. That's 2 more than this team has ever had in a long while. The Pats attacked our inexperience, and it worked. The zone would have worked better if our team was making tackles. They didn't. I expected Davis to be the goat on play action/ trick plays. Nope, it was Mitchell on the flea flicker and Golden on the first TD.

This team has improved over the past 4 years, and I fully expect them to be SB contenders next season.

I do agree that they should have played more man situationally. Short yardage and end zone would have helped. We lost this game on not keeping the deep zone assignments and missed tackles. It was painful to watch and I expect more from our team, but I expect this team to play much better next season. They have team speed, and if they get more experience, they will perform better.

 

[thesteelcity]

Did anyone hear Bud Dupree's comments? In so many words, he said, they were surprised by NE's no huddle, up tempo series at the beginning of the game and couldn't make the proper adjustments of their WRs going underneath the coverage. How in the FREAK does this happen? Unprepared? Surprised? Unacceptable! That is on Tomlin and Butler! After hearing that, my confidence in the Steelers getting back to the SB is almost non-existent. No heart, no game adjustment, no plan.

“The first drive hit us by surprise,” Dupree said. “They came out firing and they caught us off guard. We were checking and they were checking at the same time. Hats off to that team. They had a great preparation.”

Dupree said the Steelers had prepared for the Patriots to operate out of the no huddle, but they were taken aback by the frequency with which Brady ran it.

“We didn’t really anticipate it like that,” Dupree said. “It was more in their approach to the no huddle, the checks they made right away. It was a great job by Tom Brady.”

 

[steelhurt]

As far as the drafting goes for this football team its a collaboration between Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin with heavy input from the scouts. That's how it works here. Now to be honest like all NFL teams we've hit on some guys and we've missed on some guys. That's the way it works for all 32 teams. Its just not and never will be an exact science gentlemen.

Now for the coaching aspect of this football team. I've said it in earlier posts and will repeat it again. Tomlin is an average coach and will never be confused with the great coaches or even the elite coaches in this league. He has strengths and weaknesses just like the other very tentative 31 NFL coaches and I emphasize the word tentative since we all know how that works.

My opinion is that the weaknesses however outweigh the strengths for Tomlin. Sure he's a motivator and players like playing for him, and has done a pretty good jib of bringing in talent with Kevin but the weaknesses are glaring. Stubbornness, he just refuses to learn from past mistakes as witnessed from the Sunday night debacle. Fails to make adjustments when needed. Seems to overrule plays from the sideline which is his coach's prerogative but why not let the coordinators do their jobs. Lacks discipline in the locker room and seems to let his players especially some of the star players call the shots. AB is the catalyst of this movement and behavior and it spreads to the younger guys like Hamilton and Coates. Tomlin doesn't seize control of those situations. Witness in point the locker room fiasco last week, the excessive TD AB celebrations initiating penalties against his team, constant celebrations after almost every catch, pouting because he doesn't get his catches. Tomlin needs to control the situation but doesn't know how. Does anyone honestly think this would happen in Belichick's locker room?
Terry Bradshaw although not a popular remark was really not that far off when he said Tomlin was a cheerleader. Sure he apologized but he had to and you know in his heart he still feels that way.
This football team will not win a super bowl with Tomlin as the head coach. Too many weaknesses as ahead coach.

 

[antdrewjosh]

But somehow they made it to two already under him..

 

[thesteelcity]

But somehow they made it to two already under him..

true, but w/o beating Brady and the Pats to get there. To be the best, you have to beat the best.

 

[antdrewjosh]

That not how it works you beat who you beat. It's not his fault they didn't make it. So I guess the one we won in 05 don't count either

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[steelhurt]

But somehow they made it to two already under him..

Do you think it may have had something to do with the talent that was already at his disposal. Call that spin that however you want but with a young Ben, Hines, Santonio, Heath Miller, Willie Parker, Jerome, good OL and st that time a pretty damn good DB led defense with A younger Harrison and Woodley there. You think the table was set? Do you now?


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[thesteelcity]

That not how it works you beat who you beat. It's not his fault they didn't make it. So I guess the one we won in 05 don't count either

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of course, they all count, but that stat will be glaring on Ben, Tomlin and the Steeler organization. It's unsettling and frustrating, that's all I'm saying.

 

[obxsteeler]

I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter who Tomlin drafts. This is as good as it gets with him. He's not a coach who can take us to the Super Bowl.

Just in case it's too hard for you to grasp he already did.

 

[strat68]

I didn't see Tomlin out there dropping TD passes or running out of position on pass defense. Watch the game again, time after time, you will see DBs running the wrong way, rather than being responsible for their part of the zone. I just don't think they have the talent (DBs and pass rush) to play press man coverage. You can't make chicken salad with chicken ****.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Just in case it's too hard for you to grasp he already did.

But but but that was with Cowhers players.

Cause all those weaknesses pointed out in a earlier post for why he cant now didn't matter then I guess. Oh that's right he didn't do anything at all on those teams I forgot.

Just mind boggling how the narrative changes around here. I already know the next one if he does win one before Ben retires. Well that one didn't really count cause he had Ben. Let's see him win won without Ben until then he still sucks.

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[steelhurt]

But but but that was with Cowhers players.

Cause all those weaknesses pointed out in a earlier post for why he cant now didn't matter then I guess. Oh that's right he didn't do anything at all on those teams I forgot.

Just mind boggling how the narrative changes around here. I already know the next one if he does win one before Ben retires. Well that one didn't really count cause he had Ben. Let's see him win won without Ben until then he still sucks.

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They weren't Cowher's players, they were the Pittsburgh Steelers. You bring in a HC no matter who that person is and give him a full deck like that, complimentary with two pretty good coordinators, one legendary in LeBeau its pretty hard to mess that up. Forget Tomlin for a second and put another HC in that same spot in 2007 and see what happens. The true test comes with restocking the shelves which I said earlier that Tomlin and Colbert have done a nice job with and now coaching those players up. You make them the best they can be and I'm just not comfortable that Tomlin has done that. I think he talks a mean game, says all the right things but don't think he really has command of this job. Personally, I have always thought it was too much for him to coach this team. Seems totally lost at times.

 

[xjx]

Tomlin is not a game strategist, nor a talent developer. We need someone who is.

 

[Coryea]

I've gotten on Tomlin quite a bit, I think he did a great job after that 4 game skid, maybe his best yet, but there's no defending him for that pile of hot trash that he put out there for a defensive game plan!

 

[Coryea]

Along with doing nothing to adjust at halftime, just ridiculous, anyone that watches the NFL knows damn well that kind of defense never works vs Brady

 

[wig]

I fully expect them to be SB contenders next season.

I don't. I'm sorry. I just don't see it.

Tougher schedule. The Ravens will be tougher. The Browns will be tougher. It's hard to say what Bell's status is going to be with his injury now. Ben is getting older. Deebo is likely done and there's no replacement. Outside of Brown we have no reliable receiver. Shazier and Dupree are too injury prone. They'll likely spend 1/4 the season hurt.

Seriously. If they get a wildcard spot I'll be thrilled. But that would put them traveling again and they'll just end up struggling on the road as they do.

I just don't see it. Tomlin and the other coaches don't have a long term plan. They have a "butts in seats" plan. They can keep the Steelers competitive in the division. And that's enough to keep the locals happy and fill the stadium. They can even put together winning seasons without too much work. But they can't on any practical level ascend to the top echelon. This despite having three of the most dynamic playmakers in the game on offense. It's sad, really.

 

[steelhurt]

Along with doing nothing to adjust at halftime, just ridiculous, anyone that watches the NFL knows damn well that kind of defense never works vs Brady

And that is what most of us continue to be frustrated with. Every time Tomlin faces Brady he insists on this zone crap and the results are always the same. So is it stupidity, arrogance, trying to force your system that's a antiquated? What is it with this guy?


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[Coryea]

Stubbornness, we beat them in 2011 and didn't use that **** zone. It's his Tampa 2 stamped in his head, the fear of giving up big plays

 

[steelhurt]

Stubbornness, we beat them in 2011 and didn't use that **** zone. It's his Tampa 2 stamped in his head, the fear of giving up big plays

I thought Tomlin didn't live in his fears Tom? He looked like he was living in his fears Sunday night and it transcended down to his team.


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[Steelerddan]

I don't. I'm sorry. I just don't see it.

Tougher schedule. The Ravens will be tougher. The Browns will be tougher. It's hard to say what Bell's status is going to be with his injury now. Ben is getting older. Deebo is likely done and there's no replacement. Outside of Brown we have no reliable receiver. Shazier and Dupree are too injury prone. They'll likely spend 1/4 the season hurt.

Seriously. If they get a wildcard spot I'll be thrilled. But that would put them traveling again and they'll just end up struggling on the road as they do.

I just don't see it. Tomlin and the other coaches don't have a long term plan. They have a "butts in seats" plan. They can keep the Steelers competitive in the division. And that's enough to keep the locals happy and fill the stadium. They can even put together winning seasons without too much work. But they can't on any practical level ascend to the top echelon. This despite having three of the most dynamic playmakers in the game on offense. It's sad, really.

Absolutely one of the stupidest post ever i stopped reading when you said the Browns would be tougher lol. No point of reading any further.

 

[thesteelcity]

Absolutely one of the stupidest post ever i stopped reading when you said the Browns would be tougher lol. No point of reading any further.

lol, I could see the Bungals being better, but a 4-win season IS better for the Brownies. Just saying!

 

[Coryea]

There was no excitement or intensity on our side pregame or during the game didn't even look like an AFCCG.

 

[Steeler Pride]

I thought Tomlin didn't live in his fears Tom? He looked like he was living in his fears Sunday night and it transcended down to his team.


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When your entire game plan is based on playing not to lose, being reactive instead of proactive, and being so afraid of a big pass play that you allow teams to march the field on short passes what did he expect. Players are not stupid, and that type of game plan tells your players that we are being conservative, that the coach doesn't trust you to be aggressive. When the coach elects to totally change a defense that had been formidable for the past 6 weeks you don't think that sends a message to your players? You told the whole world that Brady is such a God that we have to radically change what had worked for us to protect against his greatness. He made the game bigger than it needed to be. At the end of the day, as a player, 60 minutes of football is still just 60 minutes of football. With a young team it is important to minimize how big the game is so that the moment is not to big for some players.

 

[Steeler Pride]

lol, I could see the Bungals being better, but a 4-win season IS better for the Brownies. Just saying!

Not to mention the fact that we have a tough time beating weak teams under Tomlin. A 4 win team can still kick our ***.