Sean's Helmet To Helmet hit...

[Steel Vanguard]

Someone please explain to he how he was supposed to avoid that contact. If he goes high, it's a foul. If he goes low, and the other guy goes low, it's a foul. The **** was he supposed to do, watch the guy score then tackle him in the endzone?

This rule needs to be rewritten to exclude incidental contact with the helmet. If I'm wrong, then please explain what technique would resolve this issue. Mind you, the man is defending the GOAL LINE and has to make a move split second.

 

[mdk2]

Yeah, couldn't agree more.

Also, on Shazier's INT. He caught the ball as a receiver, then we drilled helmet to helmet by one of their OL. Why isn't that considered a personal foul? He was defenseless receiver at that point.

 

[SteelerSask2]

That was my point. The point of the rule was to create a strike zone. He ducked himself into that strike zone. Second week in a row too when it was like whoooo Helmer to helmet geeez wow. And then the guy is back three plays later. Meanwhile Green is still out.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Yeah, couldn't agree more.

Also, on Shazier's INT. He caught the ball as a receiver, then we drilled helmet to helmet by one of their OL. Why isn't that considered a personal foul? He was defenseless receiver at that point.

I've already figured this one out. There's no such thing as a "defenseless" defender. You can blind side a guy, helmet to helmet, on a crack back block and there's no foul. But hit a reciever AFTER he's got the ball and it's 15 plus bill in the mail.

 

[madinsomniac]

I've already figured this one out. There's no such thing as a "defenseless" defender. You can blind side a guy, helmet to helmet, on a crack back block and there's no foul. But hit a reciever AFTER he's got the ball and it's 15 plus bill in the mail.

Like ive often said before... every wr coach should teach their guys to initiate helmet contact every play with these rules.. its dirty and dangerous but youd win a lot of games with that...

 

[Steelr4evr]

It's steamed garbage. That's what it is.

 

[slashsteel]

I've already figured this one out. There's no such thing as a "defenseless" defender. You can blind side a guy, helmet to helmet, on a crack back block and there's no foul. But hit a reciever AFTER he's got the ball and it's 15 plus bill in the mail.

maybe their should be such a thing

as if they are really trying to protect players

targeting high should be off limit............

 

[Coach]

By rule it's s flag. We might not like the rule. Davis needs be mindful not to do this at critical points of the game. Use your shoulder not the helmet.

 

[Steelerfreak]

I've already figured this one out. There's no such thing as a "defenseless" defender. You can blind side a guy, helmet to helmet, on a crack back block and there's no foul. But hit a reciever AFTER he's got the ball and it's 15 plus bill in the mail.

I don't have the rules in front of me, but I believe he wasn't protected as defenseless because he had already clearly picked the ball off and was established as a runner, and runners don't get that call.


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[SteelerSask2]

By rule it's s flag. We might not like the rule. Davis needs be mindful not to do this at critical points of the game. Use your shoulder not the helmet.

If he targets his head with his shoulder same penalty. Oh and by the way it was Davis knockdown that preserved the lead.

 

[bigtwnvin]

There were enough BS calls and non calls to give one the impression the officiating lost it's impartiality and took on the appearance of favoring the Chiefs.
The NFL should have the Referee/ Official All Stars on the fields next week for the Conference games. All four teams deserve it.

 

[Cras108er]

Yeah, couldn't agree more.

Also, on Shazier's INT. He caught the ball as a receiver, then we drilled helmet to helmet by one of their OL. Why isn't that considered a personal foul? He was defenseless receiver at that point.

No way a defensive player gets that call. A RB doesn't get that call either. The NFL isn't really concerned about player safety. They only want to protect owner's investment in marque players (WR's and QB's)


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[Ron Burgundy]

By rule it's s flag. We might not like the rule. Davis needs be mindful not to do this at critical points of the game. Use your shoulder not the helmet.

It's a rule that needs to be tweaked. Davis was obviously turning away to avoid hitting him in the head.

 

[obxsteeler]

By rule it's s flag. We might not like the rule. Davis needs be mindful not to do this at critical points of the game. Use your shoulder not the helmet.

We've been taking up a collection since camp to bring you in to teach him to tackle but so far we only have 2 cents.

 

[jitter77]

The call was correct, but the rule could be tweaked. The receiver was diving and Davis was coming in low. I do not think he had any intention of helmet to helmet.
As for the concussion protocol it is a joke. Moore was in lala land and obviously the KC wr was dazed. There is no way they were they should have came back

 

[deljzc]

I don't like any of the "tuck and launch" tackles in the game. None of them.

You need to tackle head up, arms out and wrap people up. Period. That even goes for secondary players now trying to break up plays. Why not lead with your hands? Get your hands in their to dislodge the ball? Watch what you are hitting?

But there is still a very old-school mentality of "tuck and launch" that has to be penalized out of the game. It's happening no matter the "strike zone". Players need to adjust.

 

[thesteelcity]

The call was correct, but the rule could be tweaked. The receiver was diving and Davis was coming in low. I do not think he had any intention of helmet to helmet.
As for the concussion protocol it is a joke. Moore was in lala land and obviously the KC wr was dazed. There is no way they were they should have came back

Ladarius Green is out for weeks after a hit and Moore came back two or three plays later after looking like a train hit him. How does that work?

 

[awboatguy]

He was actually leading with the shoulder, but as the receiver was going down made helmet to helmet contact. Just short of being a circus side show contortionist; he had no other play there. It was what they call "bang bang" and should not have been a flag. The receiver in this case was just much at fault by the way he was falling.

It's a **** rule that 100% of the time goes against the defender and cost him money for playing the very football that gets the NFL those fading ratings. If he targeted, okay it's a foul. If he was coming in to make a legal hit and due to the receiver cowering like a ***** to avoid that hit and in turn is knocked the **** out. It's part of the game. Just MO.

 

[steelermania]

I don't like any of the "tuck and launch" tackles in the game. None of them.

You need to tackle head up, arms out and wrap people up. Period. That even goes for secondary players now trying to break up plays. Why not lead with your hands? Get your hands in their to dislodge the ball? Watch what you are hitting?

But there is still a very old-school mentality of "tuck and launch" that has to be penalized out of the game. It's happening no matter the "strike zone". Players need to adjust.

You hit the nail on the head here. The days of blowing receivers up is over. Defensive backs have to realize that. He was in position to reach out and knock the ball away. Instead, he tries to blow the guy up. They're not having that anymore.

 

[FAB802]

As long as they call it letter of the law both ways you can't really complain. We scream for holds on Harrison all game long, and a ref called it at the worst time ever against the Chiefs and pretty much ended the game. It was a hold, Travis Kelce is a **** tard for saying it wasn't. But we almost never get that call, so you won't hear me say squat about the officiating that game. Time to load up for the *patsies.

 

[ark steel]

Like ive often said before... every wr coach should teach their guys to initiate helmet contact every play with these rules.. its dirty and dangerous but youd win a lot of games with that...

And even if not helmet to helmet, lay on the ground for a bit. See if you can get a late flag.

 

[MTC]

It's a tacky call that is more for player safety. Davis couldn't stop. Conley was just in an unfortunate position. I didn't think a flag was necessary. Go back and Davis was leading with the shoulder

 

[Steel Vanguard]

I don't like any of the "tuck and launch" tackles in the game. None of them.

You need to tackle head up, arms out and wrap people up. Period. That even goes for secondary players now trying to break up plays. Why not lead with your hands? Get your hands in their to dislodge the ball? Watch what you are hitting?

But there is still a very old-school mentality of "tuck and launch" that has to be penalized out of the game. It's happening no matter the "strike zone". Players need to adjust.

Here's the problem: IT'S STILL A FOUL.

ANY helmet to helmet contact can be flagged, by rule. Head up or down doesn't matter anymore. The original rule, "crowning", covered lowering the head. The new rule don't care if you're head up, head to the side, shoulder pad or whatever. Contact to a receiver's head is flagged, and that's bullshit. There's no technique you can teach that will avoid that contact except for "let the reliever catch the ball, take two steps, then tackle".

And I'm sorry, but that ain't football. If dudes don't want to get hit they should take up golf.

 

[Harry_BZAC]

What about the play at the end of the first half? AB is on the ground and Berry comes in late with his shoulder to AB's head. Wtf that could have been flagged and we kick a field goal to end the half. There were a bunch of non-calls that went against us too. Saw quite a few blocks in the back by the Chiefs oline as pass rushers went by...knocking them off balance.

 

[GILBERT]

Unfortunately, it was a penalty. Tough to change your angle and trajectory in a split second. Too bad too because it looked like he was going to drop it either way.