First off, Roger's block for Ayers shouldn't have been a penalty. His head was across the bow and there was not contact to the head. That was a legal block IMHO. However, I certainly don't get how a dead ball personal foul could move the ball back 15 yards and bring up 3rd down. The first down had been achieved. If it was holding which is a live ball foul, it would have been 10 yards back first and ten. Dumb rule.
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The defender looked directly at him before the hit. No penalty.
Keeping the networks happy by falsly interjecting competition through subjective penalties
wasn't that a beautiful move Ayers made on the two defenders to get outside of them though?
Your Ayerscrush is hilarious. I think they need to go to one penalty challenge per half on helmet to helmet and pass interference. If your challenge is found to be conclusively wrong you lose a timeout and are assessed a 10 yard delay of game penalty. If one of these challenges occurs then shorten one tv timeout. I can't stress enough though that it is one per half per team. CFL went to challenges of penalties and it became a gong show. One per half and punative if you are wrong.
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Was it a dead ball foul? Ayers was still in the field of play, and the whistle hadn't blown yet. Theoretically, didn't the "illegal block" contribute to his progress? In other words, how do you determine where the play would have ended up, were it not for the block?
Mind you, I don't believe the block was illegal, but understand why it would have negated the play if it were. Personally, I'd prefer the NFL review all game tapes and identify where calls were missed, or misinterpreted each week. It would help clarify rules, and provide accountability to refs. They obviously do not have a problem scrutinizing the play of players after the fact.
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No. Personal fouls are dead ball fouls. It wasn't illegal block in the back. It was unnessarry roughness. Which could be the impetus of the interpretation. Had he scored it would have put the refs in a difficult situation. Dead ball and live ball fouls have to do with allowing plays to stand and still taking on yardage. Not if it happened in the course of a play or not.
it wasn't a dead ball foul, it was a Illegal blindside block penalty during the play. Penalty is assessed from the spot of the foul which was 4 yards past the 1st down marker so it ended up 3rd and 11. If it was holding it would have been 10 yards from that spot and 3rd and 6
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But hey this block is legal because........reasons
patriot instead of Steelers...that is the difference
Exactly my issue with the call yesterday, one was praised and the other was flagged and yet they were extremely similar. Except the less violent block got flagged, smh
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And the call on Dupree was roughing the passer - doesn't that mean he hit him late? That was not a late hit, he just barely got the pass off.
Helmet hit the QBs jaw.
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But it was announced as roughing. Shouldn't that be personal foul helmet to helmet?
Isn't roughing the passer a personal foul? I think the ref announces personal foul-roughing the passer.
The problem with comparing our call to the Pats' non-call, is neither are penalties, and we got called for one. The Pat player still hit the defender on the front side of his shoulder. Legal block, just like Eli's block.
The NFL is just freaking out because when there is a big hit, it must be a penalty now. The one thing I do like, is it looked like old school smash mouth D. They want to hit you, and hit you hard! It makes a statement, and the Dolphins did not enjoy the cold, or the big hits the Defense doled out.
The NFL is just freaking out because when there is a big hit, it must be a penalty now. The one thing I do like, is it looked like old school smash mouth D. They want to hit you, and hit you hard! It makes a statement, and the Dolphins did not enjoy the cold, or the big hits the Defense doled out.
I had a problem with it being roughing the passer, since the QB was not only outside of the pocket, but he was outside of the numbers. It wasn't a late hit on a throwing motion, which could be roughing the passer in that instance. But here, the QB is a runner, who chose to throw the ball. It could be called a personal foul helmet to helmet, but roughing the passer is stretching the interpretation of the rule outside of what it should be.
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I thought roughing the passer was a type of personal foul that meant the hit was clean but late. So if the foul was helmet to helmet, it should be a personal foul, but not announced as roughing as was Dupree's hit.
I don't like the call either. Roughing should be either a very late hit, or intent to injure (launching, pile driving). I saw neither of those. A lot of times QBs get hit high because they are shorter than the defender. You can see Dupree drop for the hit. People got upset because of the speed and impact, but that's what football is supposed to be about.
Not sure what you are seeing in that GIF, but it clearly looks to me as though the Pats side of his helmet earholes the Miami player in pursuit. Its blindsided and therefore an illegal hit. Can anyone bring up the GIF of Rogers' block. Surely Coolie can. I think he has every play of Ayers dancing in his head. I also disagree (but am not rock solid sure) about Coolie's illegal blindside block assesment. That is still a Personal foul (assessed at 15 yards). My feeling is that a fair assessment should have been First Down achieved. Move it back 15 yards from point of foul and first and ten. You can't play around with live ball deadball fouls and make them suit your need. The block had zero to do with him achieving the first down, only to do with his advancement from that point. All other personal fouls are dead ball (though some like roughing the passer are automatic first downs). I really think you are getting two bites at the apple there.
an Illegal blindside block is a personal foul, personal fouls are not necessarily dead ball fouls though. Dead ball fouls are after the whistle fouls. This was during the play, just like a personal foul for roughing the passer or face mask
I finally got to see the game on TV. Eli's hit was a helmet to helmet hit. He hit the guy so hard in his helmet, that his mouthpiece shot out and flew 3 yards backward from that player's momentum. It sucks, but that is a penalty.
