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Bradshaw on MT

Tomlin has been a fortunate coach, not a great (or even very good) coach. This is evidenced by his inability to win regularly without Ben. When Ben is gone, MT had better leave too, lest he be exposed.

I agree with Terry in that I have no idea what he does beyond cheerleading. I've never seen him coaching up a player on the sideline during a game. I've never seen him discussing coverages with his players the way I see some other coaches do during games. I've never even seen him holding an f'n clipboard during a game, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that he can't read. He tries very hard (too hard) to sound intelligent during his press conferences, but I've never heard him make any salient points regarding football strategy or analysis (hence the title: 'Coach Cliche').

His ability to adjust game plans during games is non-existent, never seen it happen. His only in-game contributions appear to be whether to go for two or kick the extra-point, and he ***** that up on the regular. His use of challenges has been mostly atrocious, the only time he seems to get it right is when the play has little or no bearing on the outcome of the game, like challenging a spot on 2nd and one when we're already up by 17 points late in the 4th quarter.

It was once said that Chuck Knoll's players won in spite of him, rather than because of him, truer words couldn't be said of Mike Tomlin.
 
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Bradshaw is pretty much a douche. Just look at how much of an ******* he looks like on "a football life chuck noll'
 
Since 1999, coaches throw a challenge flag an average of 0.39 times per game and on the whole, just 47.6 percent of those challenges are overturned. Maybe that’s part of the reason Chicago Bears head coach Marc Trestman challenged just five plays in his entire rookie season last year.

However, there are plenty of coaches who can’t get rid of the red flag quick enough. Denver Broncos head coach John Fox leads all active coaches with 110 career challenges but only 36.4 percent of those challenges were successful. Meanwhile, Mike Tomlin, head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, has the best challenge success percentage (54.5) of any active coach with more than 50 career challenges.

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antdrewjosh said:
Since 1999, coaches throw a challenge flag an average of 0.39 times per game and on the whole, just 47.6 percent of those challenges are overturned. Maybe that’s part of the reason Chicago Bears head coach Marc Trestman challenged just five plays in his entire rookie season last year.

However, there are plenty of coaches who can’t get rid of the red flag quick enough. Denver Broncos head coach John Fox leads all active coaches with 110 career challenges but only 36.4 percent of those challenges were successful. Meanwhile, Mike Tomlin, head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, has the best challenge success percentage (54.5) of any active coach with more than 50 career challenges.

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Thats great, but what impact have those challenges usually had, other than prolonging games that have usually already been decided? Challenges aren't supposed to prove that you're smarter than the officials, they're supposed to prevent a bad call from costing your team a win.
 
Stoney said:
Thats great, but what impact have those challenges usually had, other than prolonging games that have usually already been decided? Challenges aren't supposed to prove that you're smarter than the officials, they're supposed to prevent a bad call from costing your team a win.
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I doubt many fall into that doesn't matter game was already decided category. I just think its natural that we fans remember the ones he lost more then the ones that were one.

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Let's go the the SCOREBOARD........Tomlins winning percentage is number 20 ALL-TIME (Chuck Noll #51 with a .556 winning pct.).....

Tomlin is also #40 on ALL-TIME wins......After 10 years.....Noll is #8, Cowher, #20 & MT is #40........Pretty select Company

Unless you can recruit some of the guys ahead of him on the list, everybody just slow your roll & pump your brakes.

JIMMY JOHNSON WON 80 GAMES TOTAL WITH A .556 WINNING PERCENTAGE. Tomlin's just getting started...the final chapters aren't even close to being written yet. Win percentage & total wins both hold ALOT of weight. So do Super Bowl & Division Titles. Tomlin has both, with more to be revealed.

I loved Terry Bradshaw as a QB, but let's be honest......Terry made us JUST AS NERVOUS as Big Ben with his picks AND HIS RECKLESS ABANDON. His touchdown to INT ratio was pretty bad. Also, Terry had the GREATEST SUPPORTING CAST OF ALL-TIME as those Steeler teams were an ALL-STAR TEAM......The same could be said for Noll that all he did was coach a great team and not get in the way. Either way you coach who you have and strive to get the best out of them. You take the blame and get a little credit. Such is life....Noll was great, so was Terry, so was Cowher, and maybe one day people will see that Tomlin has been doing something pretty special all these years.

But let's go to the scorecards..........

Below is some stats of Coaches & winning percentage & wins....

As Jim Rome would say..........SCOREBOARD BABY.........

ALL-TIME NFL COACHING WIN PERCENTAGE

R▲ Coach---------------- W---L----T---W-L%

1 Guy Chamberlin------ 58---16---7 .784
2 John Madden-------- 103---32---7 .759
3 Vince Lombardi----- 96---34--6 .738
4 George Allen---------- 116---47---5 .712
5 Jim Harbaugh-------- 44---19---1 .695
6 Tommy Hughitt------- 34---15---7 .694
7 Blanton Collier ------- 76---34---2 .691
8 Ray Flaherty---------- 80---37---5 .684
9 George Halas-------- 318---148-31 .682
10 Don Shula------------- 328---56---6 .677
11 Paul Brown------------ 213---104---9 .672
12 Bill Belichick----------- 235---115---0 .671
13 Tony Dungy------------ 139---69---0 .668
14 Jim Lee Howell------- 53---27---4 .663
15 Roy Andrews--------- 51---27---4 .654
16 George Seifert -------- 114---62--0 .648
17 Mike McCarthy------- 112---61---1 .647
18 Paddy Driscoll--------- 31---17---5 .646
19 Red Miller--------------- 40---22---0 .645
20 Mike Tomlin-----------158---101---57 ---0 .639


ALL-TIME NFL COACHING WINS

R▲ Coach------------------ W----L----T---W-L%
1 Don Shula-------------- 328---156---6 .677
2 George Halas---------- 318---148---31 .682
3 Tom Landry------------- 250---162---6 .607
4 Bill Belichick------------- 235---115---0 .671
5 Curly Lambeau------------- 226---132---22 .631
6 Paul Brown------------- 213---104---9 .672
7 M Schottenheimer-------------200---126---1 .613
8 Chuck Noll-------------193---148---1 .566
9 Dan Reeves------------- 190---165---2 .535
10 Chuck Knox------------- 186---147---1 .558
11 Jeff Fisher------------- 173---165---1 .512
12 Bill Parcells------------- 172---130---1 .569
13 Andy Reid------------- 171---114---1 .600
14 Mike Shanahan------------- 170---138---0 .552
15 Tom Coughlin------------- 170---150---0 .531
16 Mike Holmgren------------- 161---111---0 .592
17 Bud Grant------------- 158---96---5 .621
18 Joe Gibbs------------- 154---94---0 .621
19 Steve Owen------------- 153---100---17 .605
20 Bill Cowher-------------149---90---1 .623
21 Marv Levy------------- 143---112---0 .561
22 Tony Dungy------------- 139---69---0 .668
23 Hank Stram------------- 131---97---10 .574
24 Weeb Ewbank------------- 130---129---7 .502
25 John Fox------------- 128---110---0 .538
26 Jim Mora------------- 125---106---0 .541
27 Sid Gillman------------- 122---99---7 .552
28 Mike Ditka------------- 121---95---0 .560
29 Dick Vermeil------------- 120---109---0 .524
30 Marvin Lewis------------- 117---102---3 .534
31 George Allen------------- 116---47---5 .712
32 George Seifert------------- 114---62---0 .648
33 Norv Turner------------- 114---122 ---1 .483
34 Dennis Green------------- 113---94---0 .546
35 Mike McCarthy------------- 112---61---1 .647
36 Don Coryell------------- 111---83---1 .572
37 Buddy Parker------------- 104---75---9 .581
38 John Madden------------- 103---32---7 .759
39 Pete Carroll------------- 102---71---1 .589
40 Mike Tomlin-------------101---57---0 .639
 
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I think the point is....how many games have we won due to coaching vs how many we have lost due to poor game plans. Tomlin just seems to be around for the ride good or bad. I believe that a successfull team does not mean the coach is great and a good coach could have a bad team. Sure tomlin could be worse, but he should also get more out of this team. We have arguably the best qb, wr, and rb in the league with an above average line and we are scratching just to make the playoffs.
 
jitter77 said:
I think the point is....how many games have we won due to coaching vs how many we have lost due to poor game plans. Tomlin just seems to be around for the ride good or bad. I believe that a successfull team does not mean the coach is great and a good coach could have a bad team. Sure tomlin could be worse, but he should also get more out of this team. We have arguably the best qb, wr, and rb in the league with an above average line and we are scratching just to make the playoffs.
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Well that is the issue in a nutshell. When we win it's not the gameplan. When we lose we loss because of a bad game plan..

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I agree with referring to Tomlin as a "caretaker".
 
antdrewjosh said:
Well that is the issue in a nutshell. When we win it's not the gameplan. When we lose we loss because of a bad game plan..

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Of course ... it's the "Tomlin gets no credit, but all the blame" dance. I mean, look at how folks talk about personnel decisions. As if Tomlin is solely responsible for any and all of them. If that's the case, someone needs to have Dan and Art evaluated because they're crazy enough to pay a man (Colbert) to do absolutely nothing. Same with the coordinators; they do nothing. Tomlin puts together both the offensive and defensive game plans. He's the guy with the most authority in the organization. Yet, he can't hire his own coaches. lmao
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Of course ... it's the "Tomlin gets no credit, but all the blame" dance. I mean, look at how folks talk about personnel decisions. As if Tomlin is solely responsible for any and all of them. If that's the case, someone needs to have Dan and Art evaluated because they're crazy enough to pay a man (Colbert) to do absolutely nothing. Same with the coordinators; they do nothing. Tomlin puts together both the offensive and defensive game plans. He's the guy with the most authority in the organization. Yet, he can't hire his own coaches. lmao
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And it's the main reason I'm called the biggest Tomlin lover on this site cause I always point this out. 100 wins and not one good gameplan???? All the losses bad game plans every last one of them. Go figure.

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xjx said:
I agree with referring to Tomlin as a "caretaker".
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A coaches job or a Managers is to take care of what you are given. To get the most out of them and use their God-given abilities to the best....

Phil Jackson was considered a care-taker, hell so was Red Auerbach.....

Noll was a HALL OF FAMER, but he had a stacked team.....He had these Hall of famers on his team and NO FREE AGENCY to deal with.....

Joe Greene
Jack Ham
Mel Blount
Terry Bradshaw
Franco Harris
Jack Lambert
Mike Webster
Lynn Swann
John Stallworth
 
antdrewjosh said:
Just can't stay away lol

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The truly funny thing is that he won't hesitate to call someone a "loser" and take some strong *** opinion, all the while he keeps trying to come back under a different user name. That alone has got to make him the resident window licker.
 
chipped ham said:
The truly funny thing is that he won't hesitate to call someone a "loser" and take some strong *** opinion, all the while he keeps trying to come back under a different user name. That alone has got to make him the resident window licker.
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That only takes a few posts to figure out Lmao

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There are not many games where we come out and throttle the other team. We usually win pretty ugly against lousy teams. However, I am talking about games where obviously what they are doing or trying to do is not working and they keep doing it over and over and over and over. Like when we constantly run into the Ravens defense, or fail to exploit a team that is missing 3/4 of its starting secondary, or keep chucking it deep when underneath stuff is there all day long, or when the Oline is getting run over and they dont switch things up, etc etc.... We do not seem to attempt to exploit other teams weaknesses and just pick a game plan out of a hat. Look at how awful this team is without Ben. Put Tomlin in a team with less talent and I bet he would be lucky to win 5-6 games.
 
Ravens seem to destroy our D with double moves. Wallace did that last time and Smith does it like it's a religion. Maybe Gay won't bit this time...
 
Tomlin was a secondary coach. Seems the young guys are stepping up.
 
stillwright said:
We could win the next two SB's and some will still want Tomlin fired. Tomlin took us to 2 SB's and some of our fans couldn't completely embrace it ...they had/have to say Tomlin won with Bill's players. My friends who our Eagles fans laugh when I tell them this. All they want is one SB victory in their lifetime. All that said. I remember all the fire Cowher threads also before he finally won a SB. I guess as a fan you just always want more.
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That's a bullshit statement. Winning back-to-back SBs is extremely difficult. It's only been done by Lombardi, Shula, Noll (twice), Johnson, Shanahan, and Belichick. Of those, only Noll and Belichick have won three or more titles, and theirs is the company Tomlin would be in by winning the next two. Obviously, this would be an incredible accomplishment, and cement his career record among the greatest of all-time. Unless David ******* Duke himself is on Steelernation.com, I'm pretty sure you'd be hard-pressed to find a soul on this board calling for his head at that point.

And yes, Tomlin "took us" to two lowB repuSs, but not in consecutive years. In fact, the Steelers missed the playoffs entirely in between those visits, and only won the first one. So ease up with the nonsense.

Right now, some of us still can't "completely embrace" Tomlin, because with just one playoff win in the last five years, he looks a whole lot like Barry Switzer 2.0. If he wins the next two championships, I'll be the first guy to change my opinion, and I'll line my man cave with Mike Tomlin wallpaper from top to bottom, just for you.
 
Stoney said:
Tomlin has been a fortunate coach, not a great (or even very good) coach. This is evidenced by his inability to win regularly without Ben. When Ben is gone, MT had better leave too, lest he be exposed.

I agree with Terry in that I have no idea what he does beyond cheerleading. I've never seen him coaching up a player on the sideline during a game. I've never seen him discussing coverages with his players the way I see some other coaches do during games. I've never even seen him holding an f'n clipboard during a game, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that he can't read. He tries very hard (too hard) to sound intelligent during his press conferences, but I've never heard him make any salient points regarding football strategy or analysis (hence the title: 'Coach Cliche').

His ability to adjust game plans during games is non-existent, never seen it happen. His only in-game contributions appear to be whether to go for two or kick the extra-point, and he ***** that up on the regular. His use of challenges has been mostly atrocious, the only time he seems to get it right is when the play has little or no bearing on the outcome of the game, like challenging a spot on 2nd and one when we're already up by 17 points late in the 4th quarter.

It was once said that Chuck Knoll's players won in spite of him, rather than because of him, truer words couldn't be said of Mike Tomlin.
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C'mon, Stoney. You must have missed the Bills game, when it only took until the second half for MT to realize that the game plan of having Ben (who has been, shall we say, inconsistent on the road) come out throwing (in a Buffalo snowstorm, against a poor run defense) wasn't working out too well...after Ben passed the ball 26 times in the first half and threw 2 INTs, while Bell was scoring 2 TDs and averaging about six yards a carry.

Pay attention!
 
topseed said:
That's a bullshit statement. Winning back-to-back SBs is extremely difficult. It's only been done by Lombardi, Shula, Noll (twice), Johnson, Shanahan, and Belichick. Of those, only Noll and Belichick have won three or more titles, and theirs is the company Tomlin would be in by winning the next two. Obviously, this would be an incredible accomplishment, and cement his career record among the greatest of all-time. Unless David ******* Duke himself is on Steelernation.com, I'm pretty sure you'd be hard-pressed to find a soul on this board calling for his head at that point.

And yes, Tomlin "took us" to two lowB repuSs, but not in consecutive years. In fact, the Steelers missed the playoffs entirely in between those visits, and only won the first one. So ease up with the nonsense.

Right now, some of us still can't "completely embrace" Tomlin, because with just one playoff win in the last five years, he looks a whole lot like Barry Switzer 2.0. If he wins the next two championships, I'll be the first guy to change my opinion, and I'll line my man cave with Mike Tomlin wallpaper from top to bottom, just for you.
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Well that's a Christmas miracle!!!!

Seriously though. There are some on here that were not happy when Tomlin was hired(Rooney Rule). After he won his SB they still were not happy(Cowher's players). When he went to another SB(Still Bill's players). Won 100 games(Caretaker. A long for the ride. Franchise QB).

So maybe if Tomlin brings home back to back SB's(by the way I was exaggerating when I posted this to make a point) then everyone will fully embrace Tomlin as an good HC. I'm willing to bet some won't, He still has that dreaded franchise QB that Cowher drafted. Also I will bet even though you might think race has nothing to do with it....some still won't because of the color of his skin and their reasoning will be the ones I stated. You might think there isn't racism on this board but I think that would be very naive of you to think personally.

In the end I know there is racism out there and it plays does both ways. People say they are tired of the race card. I get that....Unfortunately racism still has a play in our society everyday.


That said.....Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!!......And bring us a victory today guys!!!!!!!!!
 
I think we're beating a dead horse here.
No one is saying Tomlin is a bad coach, and I for one do not want to see him replaced. After all, who realistically, would you replace him with?

It's the head scratchers that get to me, time management, going with the gut, losing to bad teams, and the appearance on the sidelines that he doesn't actually coach.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
You either know, or can look up his resume since he became HC of THE Pittsburgh Steelers as well as I do.
Wins? Check
Superbowls? Check
Consecutive seasons without a losing season? Check (Btw, anyone know what the record is for that?)
Respected by almost everyone outside of his team's fanbase and ex-player, media-*****, *** hats? Check
In the process of turning around a defense that many (including myself) thought he'd never get back to dominant? Check
Yeah, he's doing an above average job. I wouldn't put him up there with The Emperor, Lombardi, etc., but I'd put him in the second tier with Cowher.

Edit: Many who spend their time picking Tomlin apart wanted Whiz. What team is he the HC of now? Russ Grimm?
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Tomlin is no way near Cowher. Under Cowher, the Steelers nearly always were contenders for the SB, even without a franchise QB.

You probably don't know much about the Steelers, because most fans know that if the Steelers had selected Grimm or Whiz or any other coach, they would still be here too. That doesn't make Tomlin better than them.
 
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