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Kinda shocked by TB,....but then again.

https://news.google.com/news/amp?ca...-career/1timd7deoicml1nc776afqnv09#pt0-833157

We have some Steeler-on-Steeler crime here.

Former Pittsburgh quarterback and Pro Football Hall of Famer Terry Bradshaw, never one to shy away from an opportunity to speak his mind, was a guest Friday on Fox Sports 1's "Speak For Yourself." There he was asked whether current Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin still needs to prove himself as a great coach.
 
Eh, TB doesn't have much good to say about any of the current Steelers (coaches or players). He's **** on Ben more than once also. Personally, I lost a lot of respect for him when he chose not to show up for The Emperor's funeral. Loved him as a player. Hell, he helped foster my being a Steelers fan. "Bitter, angry, **** on the franchise that made me" Terry? Y'all can keep him.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Not shocked, they all pretty much said the same thing.
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Nah, Jason Whitlock agreed with him. Jason "I'll say anything to stay relevant" Whitlock. Cris Carter disagreed. So, I wouldn't, in all honesty say that they ALL said pretty much the same thing.

Edit: But, I sure as hell hope that CMT is not worrying about what Bradshaw and Whitlock have to say about him Seems to me that there's a game this weekend he should be focusing on. And as far as I know, Terry hasn't coached anything, even at the Biddy League level, so his statement that he "doesn't know what he does" is probably accurate. lmao
 
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As much As I've **** in him this season, 3rd Steeler coach with 100 plus wins consecutive speaks volumes. He is not perfect, has many flaws, and has had a potential HOF QB during his tenure ....but he can't be as bad as TB stated or I thought this year. I look around the league and I'm very happy who we have had this decade
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Nah, Jason Whitlock agreed with him. Jason "I'll say anything to stay relevant" Whitlock. Cris Carter disagreed. So, I wouldn't, in all honesty say that they ALL said pretty much the same thing.

Edit: But, I sure as hell hope that CMT is not worrying about what Bradshaw and Whitlock have to say about him Seems to me that there's a game this weekend he should be focusing on. And as far as I know, Terry hasn't coached anything, even at the Biddy League level, so his statement that he "doesn't know what he does" is probably accurate. lmao
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Only in respect to the question, why is he a great coach?
 
TB getting a little cranky in his old age.
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
As much As I've **** in him this season, 3rd Steeler coach with 100 plus wins consecutive speaks volumes. He is not perfect, has many flaws, and has had a potential HOF QB during his tenure ....but he can't be as bad as TB stated or I thought this year. I look around the league and I'm very happy who we have had this decade
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He definitely has flaws. More than one. Hell, earlier this year I was on the "if he doesn't turn this **** around" ..... bandwagon. That said, I'm looking around the league and I'm not seeing many other HC's or HC candidates I'd want. You don't change things just to CHANGE things.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Only in respect to the question, why is he a great coach?
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You either know, or can look up his resume since he became HC of THE Pittsburgh Steelers as well as I do.
Wins? Check
Superbowls? Check
Consecutive seasons without a losing season? Check (Btw, anyone know what the record is for that?)
Respected by almost everyone outside of his team's fanbase and ex-player, media-*****, *** hats? Check
In the process of turning around a defense that many (including myself) thought he'd never get back to dominant? Check
Yeah, he's doing an above average job. I wouldn't put him up there with The Emperor, Lombardi, etc., but I'd put him in the second tier with Cowher.

Edit: Many who spend their time picking Tomlin apart wanted Whiz. What team is he the HC of now? Russ Grimm?
 
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I don't have any problem with what TB said. To encapsulate...his one sentence..."when we're discussing the greatest coaches of all time, his name doesn't even come to mind" (paraphrase). Would anyone here disagree with this? I'd also like to point out that Chris Carter...didn't REALLY disagree. He was being political. He said Tomlin was a "very good coach". He couldn't even bring himself to say Tomlin was a great coach.
 
pittbull said:
I don't have any problem with what TB said. To encapsulate...his one sentence..."when we're discussing the greatest coaches of all time, his name doesn't even come to mind" (paraphrase). Would anyone here disagree with this? I'd also like to point out that Chris Carter...didn't REALLY disagree. He was being political. He said Tomlin was a "very good coach". He couldn't even bring himself to say Tomlin was a great coach.
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If we're splitting hairs, Cris Carter actually said .. to paraphrase ... "He's a very good coach with a defense that has been shaky because the offense has been more heavily invested in."

http://dkpittsburghsports.com/2016/12/23/bradshaw-tomlin-dont-think-hes-great-coach/

Again, I'd put him up there with Cowher in the second tier. But, that's me.
 
pittbull said:
I don't have any problem with what TB said. To encapsulate...his one sentence..."when we're discussing the greatest coaches of all time, his name doesn't even come to mind" (paraphrase). Would anyone here disagree with this? I'd also like to point out that Chris Carter...didn't REALLY disagree. He was being political. He said Tomlin was a "very good coach". He couldn't even bring himself to say Tomlin was a great coach.
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What are you talking about? He said that Tomlin is "Not a very good coach".

Even the most faithful Tomlin-hater would admit that he is at least average. Bad coaches dont average 10 wins a year over a 10 year period.


I guess that the CTE may be catching up with Terry:
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TB is angry, bitter, and to be honest ridiculous most times. Not sure we should care about his opinions. That guy has 0 knowledge of how the operation is run in the Steelers front office or team. Go away.
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
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I guess that the CTE may be catching up with Terry:
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I think that it started when he determined he had a voice for country music
 
Troglodyte said:
This. Prolific is not the same as great.
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Soooo, what are your criteria for great in this era where the rules have been set up to ensure that "everyone gets their shot"? Can't hold today's coaches to the standards of yesteryear because they don't have the same advantages when it comes to retaining your best players. They also don't have a 14 (?) round draft and have to deal with rules set up to make defense obsolete.

Under these circumstances I'd say no losing seasons in ten years, coupled with the things I mentioned above, is pretty damned great (even if it is "prolific". You say that as if it's a dirty word .. lol)
 
Eh, never mind, some of y'all won't be happy until we run Tomlin out of town and hire the next Whisenhunt or Grimm. Then you'll be ready to fire them for the next whomever ... smdh. ("Damned kids! Get off my lawn!! .. lol)
 
At times he is below average, at times he is average.

At times he is above average.

Sometimes sure I want to see him replaced, because of his negative trends.

And it seems the Steelers are not accomplishing what they are capable of way too often.

Many of reasons that have been discussed at dead horse drive.

Just making it to the playoffs won't be a win, but some fans are fine with mediocrity.

So classifying him should fall between

below average
average
above average



but any thing more

or less

is throwing some blinders on.


To me this subject is one to talk about more with however the season ends.


I prefer the lets take it one game at a time and let the performance on the field do the talking.

and how it shakes out will guide you to a true indication................
 
slashsteel said:
At times he is below average, at times he is average.

At times he is above average.

Sometimes sure I want to see him replaced, because of his negative trends.

And it seems the Steelers are not accomplishing what they are capable of way too often.

Many of reasons that have been discussed at dead horse drive.

Just making it to the playoffs won't be a win, but some fans are fine with mediocrity.

So classifying him should fall between

below average
average
above average



but any thing more

or less

is throwing some blinders on.


To me this subject is one to talk about more with however the season ends.


I prefer the lets take it one game at a time and let the performance on the field do the talking.

and how it shakes out will guide you to a true indication................
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Are you trying to sound like a "mystic" ... writing in Haiku ...or is it just the Knob Creek?
 
Bradshaw is spot on and he talks to other coaches and people around the league. Never have heard anyone really singing his praises, calling him great or superior. He is a caretaker and is nothing special other than being carried by a great franchise and a HOF QB his entire tenure. He is not innovative or a great X and O strategist and for all his BS about motivation skills we lose to bottom feeders more than any other above the line team in the NFL over the years, caretaker but a good caretaker.
 
Go win another super bowl or two and nobody will question a thing. My only beef is losing to crap teams that they should be chewing up and spitting out. I'm not sure what Bradshaws deal is.
 
The man played for Chuck Noll and watches football every weekend with Jimmy Johnson. He has known great coaches and what it takes to win championships. The other guys on the show were equally critical of Tomlin. He's not a great coach.He called him a cheerleader which is what he is, he lacks the ability to do anything more and the next time he carried a play chart or controls every aspect iof the game like Belicheck or Harbaugh will be his first. The silence on Tomlin by his peers is deafening.
 
Dunlow said:
The man played for Chuck Noll and watches football every weekend with Jimmy Johnson. He has known great coaches and what it takes to win championships. The other guys on the show were equally critical of Tomlin. He's not a great coach.He called him a cheerleader which is what he is, he lacks the ability to do anything more and the next time he carried a play chart or controls every aspect iof the game like Belicheck or Harbaugh will be his first. The silence on Tomlin by his peers is deafening.
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Wait ... you lost me with Jimmy Johnson as an all-time great. After that, I ask you, what about Tomlin's resume makes you assume that he's a "cheerleader"? And what makes you think he lacks the "ABILITY" to do anything more? There is no silence on Tomlin "by his peers" as no actual current head coach has spoken on the matter. Current players however have definitely, consistently voted him as one of the coaches they'd want to play for. Other than opinion, what we have to look at is his resume. Which includes all of the things that I noted above.
Asking folks to overlook his resume and go by opinion ... naw, that's just crap that folks who don't like the man (for whatever reason, and we KNOW what the reason is for some; even if they won't admit it to themselves)

Historically, Tomlin's record so far stacks up very well with Johnson (Jimmy's an all-time great?), Harbaugh (HE is an all-time great? Get outta here with that) and many others some of y'all will name. Definitely stacks up with Cowher's (and I know that chafes some of y'all's *****). In any event, we could go back and forth and back and forth. Nobody's opinion is going to change. But, for the record, in my opinion, Tomlin is firmly in the second tier "ALL-TIME" of the head coaching hierarchy. Right there with guys like Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher. His record as compared to his "peers" (i.e. Head Coaches of his era, not t.v. media *** hats) is superb. Is he flawless? Nope. And no one else is or ever was.
 
Yet Harbaugh with inferior players an d especially at QB owns Tomlin.

Tomlin has been given every advantage to be a great coach and has won less with more than anyone else. Hall of Fame QB his entire career, check, great roster he inherited from Cowher, check, greatest organization in sports, check. Yet he has won one playoff game the last 5 years, a gift at that, and unfortunately I think we miss the playoffs yet again this year meaning 40 % of the time he misses the playoffs despite all these inherent advantages. He is an average coach that is bested more often than not in the coaching department on Sundays resulted in a team that underperforms

We are stuck with this guy for years and expect more of the same and when Ben retires the cart falls off the cliff. To expect this man of limited coaching ability and intellect to suddenly blossom into a great game coach is a serious fallacy so enjoy the ride. Me I know he will fail in the playoffs it's what he does, he is just a guy and we deserve better. Imagine a real smart coach with ben. Bell and brown, etc. They wopuld have done way more the last 4 years than one playoff win.
 
Jimmy Johnson also took over a horrible Dalllas team with terrible QBs and built a great dynasty that won later in his career. Tomlin inherited a great team and won less as his career progressed, he is not in the same stratosphere as Johnson.
 
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