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Missed tackle report. Bills and the season

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http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/12/steelers-vs-bills-missed-tackles-report/


Does anyone want to re-arrange the data bit? Shazier has the most missed, but he also is 2nd on the team with 64 tackles made. So he should miss more than say Cockrell because he's had many more tackles/attempts.


So how about dividing the tackles made by tackles missed for a ratio?


PLAYER total tackles

Lawrence Timmons 90
Ryan Shazier 64
Mike Mitchell 59
Ross Cockrell 48
Sean Davis 48
Artie Burns 47
Vince Williams 45
William Gay 44
Jarvis Jones 38
Stephon Tuitt 36
Robert Golden 34
James Harrison 33
Anthony Chickillo 29
Cameron Heyward 21
Javon Hargrave 20
Arthur Moats 19
Tyler Matakevich 16
Jordan Dangerfield 13
Ricardo Mathews 11
Bud Dupree 10
Dan McCullers 8
Shamarko Thomas 7
Sammie Coates 7
Steven Johnson 6
L.J. Fort 4
Roosevelt Nix 4
Jesse James 2
Darrius Heyward-Bey 2
Antonio Brown 2
L.T. Walton 2
Justin Gilbert 2
Al-Hajj Shabazz 1
Eli Rogers 1
Maurkice Pouncey 1
Ramon Foster 1
David DeCastro 1
Fitzgerald Toussaint 1
DeAngelo Williams 1
Alejandro Villanueva 1
B.J. Finney 1
Cobi Hamilton 1


Total Missed Tackles

Ryan Shazier — 17 divided by 64 tackles made = .26.6% missed tackles per attempt
Sean Davis — 14 divided by 48 tackles = 35.4% missed tackles per attempt
Mike Mitchell — 13 divided by 49 tackles made = 22% missed tackles per attempt
Stephon Tuitt — 13
William Gay — 12
Artie Burns — 11
Lawrence Timmons — 9
Vince Williams — 7
Ross Cockrell — 7
Robert Golden — 4
Jarvis Jones — 3
Anthony Chickillo — 3
James Harrison — 3
Cameron Heyward — 2
Bud Dupree — 2
Javon Hargrave — 2
Arthur Moats — 1
LJ Fort — 1
Jordan Dangerfield — 1
Ricardo Mathews — 1
Daniel McCullers — 1
LT Walton — 1
 
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I don't know what that kid did to your sister, but it had to be bad for you to pay this much attention to him.
 
We all knew where this thread was going, another way to support the same agenda.

To get a better number you would add the missed tackles to the tackles made for a total chances and factor the missed vs the total chances.

So since I know you're just dying to welcome Mr. davis to the bottom of the bus we'll use him as the example: 14 missed plus 48 tackles equals 62 chances for a 22.6% tackle miss percentage. But this stat LIKE MOST is meaningless as several things factor into the tackle...is the tackle in the open field, approach from an advantageous or poor angle to exhibit technique, size of ball carrier, tackle breaking ability of ball carrier, speed of ball carrier, has the ball carrier lost momentum from previous contact, etc. etc.

But yep, you nailed it again Coach...Sean Davis will always suck until he brings a pizza by your house for you to eat while he mows your yard and apologizes for dating your niece or whatever the hell he did to you.
 
Coach said:
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/12/steelers-vs-bills-missed-tackles-report/


Does anyone want to re-arrange the data bit? Shazier has the most missed, but he also is 2nd on the team with 64 tackles made. So he should miss more than say Cockrell because he's had many more tackles/attempts.


So how about dividing the tackles made by tackles missed for a ratio?


PLAYER total tackles

Lawrence Timmons 90
Ryan Shazier 64
Mike Mitchell 59
Ross Cockrell 48
Sean Davis 48
Artie Burns 47
Vince Williams 45
William Gay 44
Jarvis Jones 38
Stephon Tuitt 36
Robert Golden 34
James Harrison 33
Anthony Chickillo 29
Cameron Heyward 21
Javon Hargrave 20
Arthur Moats 19
Tyler Matakevich 16
Jordan Dangerfield 13
Ricardo Mathews 11
Bud Dupree 10
Dan McCullers 8
Shamarko Thomas 7
Sammie Coates 7
Steven Johnson 6
L.J. Fort 4
Roosevelt Nix 4
Jesse James 2
Darrius Heyward-Bey 2
Antonio Brown 2
L.T. Walton 2
Justin Gilbert 2
Al-Hajj Shabazz 1
Eli Rogers 1
Maurkice Pouncey 1
Ramon Foster 1
David DeCastro 1
Fitzgerald Toussaint 1
DeAngelo Williams 1
Alejandro Villanueva 1
B.J. Finney 1
Cobi Hamilton 1


Total Missed Tackles

Ryan Shazier — 17 divided by 64 tackles made = .26.6% missed tackles per attempt
Sean Davis — 14 divided by 48 tackles = 35.4% missed tackles per attempt
Mike Mitchell — 13 divided by 49 tackles made = 22% missed tackles per attempt
Stephon Tuitt — 13
William Gay — 12
Artie Burns — 11
Lawrence Timmons — 9
Vince Williams — 7
Ross Cockrell — 7
Robert Golden — 4
Jarvis Jones — 3
Anthony Chickillo — 3
James Harrison — 3
Cameron Heyward — 2
Bud Dupree — 2
Javon Hargrave — 2
Arthur Moats — 1
LJ Fort — 1
Jordan Dangerfield — 1
Ricardo Mathews — 1
Daniel McCullers — 1
LT Walton — 1
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Just so you know, if I had 64 tackles and 17 missed tackles, my Attempted Tackles is 81. Therefore, my missed tackles per attempt is 17/81 = 20.99%, not 17/64.....
 
Fiji Mariner said:
We all knew where this thread was going, another way to support the same agenda.

To get a better number you would add the missed tackles to the tackles made for a total chances and factor the missed vs the total chances.

So since I know you're just dying to welcome Mr. davis to the bottom of the bus we'll use him as the example: 14 missed plus 48 tackles equals 62 chances for a 22.6% tackle miss percentage. But this stat LIKE MOST is meaningless as several things factor into the tackle...is the tackle in the open field, approach from an advantageous or poor angle to exhibit technique, size of ball carrier, tackle breaking ability of ball carrier, speed of ball carrier, has the ball carrier lost momentum from previous contact, etc. etc.

But yep, you nailed it again Coach...Sean Davis will always suck until he brings a pizza by your house for you to eat while he mows your yard and apologizes for dating your niece or whatever the hell he did to you.
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I was thinking along the lines of the Keystone Cops plan. Bud missed a tackle, 3 others missed a tackle and Bud catches the guy from behind. yeah, he missed a tackle (for whatever reason) the hit allowed others to keep Taylor behind the LoS and Bud was, eventually, able to clean it up (pretty good in itself to come off the ground and chase the guy down from behind, btw). The missed tackle doesn't bother me if someone else is right there.

Davis had a missed tackle behind the LoS, too, but someone was right there to make the tackle. No biggie, to me.

One also might consider that over a third of Davis' missed tackles were in game 1. Presumably, those without an agenda would weight recent games more than the first game as a pro. So, if you look at them game by game, what does that show for each player?

Davis had 4 tackles in the first game and 5 missed tackles (IIRC). That puts him at over 50% missed tackles per attempt. Horrendous by any standards.

Since then....10 missed tackles and 44 tackles = 18.5% missed tackle. I have no idea how that matches up to the rest of the league, though, along with a bunch of stuff you brought up.
 
Coach said:
http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/12/steelers-vs-bills-missed-tackles-report/


Does anyone want to re-arrange the data bit? Shazier has the most missed, but he also is 2nd on the team with 64 tackles made. So he should miss more than say Cockrell because he's had many more tackles/attempts.


So how about dividing the tackles made by tackles missed for a ratio?


PLAYERtotal tackles

Lawrence Timmons 90
Ryan Shazier64
Mike Mitchell59
Ross Cockrell48
Sean Davis48
Artie Burns47
Vince Williams45
William Gay44
Jarvis Jones38
Stephon Tuitt36
Robert Golden 34
James Harrison33
Anthony Chickillo29
Cameron Heyward21
Javon Hargrave20
Arthur Moats19
Tyler Matakevich16
Jordan Dangerfield13
Ricardo Mathews11
Bud Dupree10
Dan McCullers8
Shamarko Thomas7
Sammie Coates7
Steven Johnson6
L.J. Fort4
Roosevelt Nix4
Jesse James2
Darrius Heyward-Bey2
Antonio Brown2
L.T. Walton2
Justin Gilbert2
Al-Hajj Shabazz1
Eli Rogers1
Maurkice Pouncey1
Ramon Foster1
David DeCastro1
Fitzgerald Toussaint1
DeAngelo Williams1
Alejandro Villanueva1
B.J. Finney1
Cobi Hamilton1


Total Missed Tackles

Ryan Shazier — 17 divided by 64 tackles made = .26.6% missed tackles per attempt
Sean Davis — 14 divided by 48 tackles = 35.4% missed tackles per attempt
Mike Mitchell — 13 divided by 49 tackles made = 22% missed tackles per attempt
Stephon Tuitt — 13
William Gay — 12
Artie Burns — 11
Lawrence Timmons — 9
Vince Williams — 7
Ross Cockrell — 7
Robert Golden — 4
Jarvis Jones — 3
Anthony Chickillo — 3
James Harrison — 3
Cameron Heyward — 2
Bud Dupree — 2
Javon Hargrave — 2
Arthur Moats — 1
LJ Fort — 1
Jordan Dangerfield — 1
Ricardo Mathews — 1
Daniel McCullers — 1
LT Walton — 1
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Mariner already gave you the reason why your facts are wrong Coach, plain and simple.

It's not statistics it's simple arithmetic. Total chances divided by the category sum.

Also are you not including assists and sacks to the formula which actually would be a true indicator of productivity? No, probably not.

So, your facts are invalid. These facts as you have collated them, have been disproven. Your assessment has been obviously labeled AGENDA based.

Do yourself a favor, breathe, has a sip of water and speak in the mirror and say:

"Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggone it, people like me. "





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Break those missed tackles out per game so we can see if anyone has improved their tackling
 
lol @ focusing in on a rookie


coach coach coach

yinz consistent

wrong

but consistent none the less
 
Actually, if we can get Coach to harp on this the rest of the day, maybe Davis will have a big day like Bell did after Coach harped on him not being worth top RB $$.
 
Timmon's ratio has to be about 9% and considering how many here said he sucked and always was missing tackles, I'd say he was actually pretty good.




Salute the nation
 
Missed tackles are another false statistic. We had 5 missed tackles on a sack last week. Cockrell had a missed tackle and we gained 10 negative yards on it

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Cope said:
Missed tackles are another false statistic. We had 5 missed tackles on a sack last week. Cockrell had a missed tackle and we gained 10 negative yards on it

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Absolutely agree with this statement. It's worse than the 3rd down conversion stat.


Salute the nation
 
anyone have a missed tackle stat NOT based on PFF?
 
I've devised a statistic called Defender Tackle Rating or DTR. This statistical bit of genius is a cousin to QB rating and factors in 25 different things to each tackle opportunity. Before I unleash the formula I must get the patent so at this point I'll have to keep the 25 factors a secret.

I will let you know this though, Davis went from an 11.72 rating the first week he played to a 114.57 over the last 3 weeks since he began starting, a dammit that marks a pretty drastic improvement.
 
is there a reason for the Davis focus?

If we go back a year or so ago, was Coach blowing someone else to draft for safety? He hated young Troy, too. Were you a failed safety in your younger days?

btw, you're the best, coach. love your trolling. you get the most responses/views and discussion from your topics, and then I learn some new things when the correct analysis is presented.

thanks!
 
One good focus is Timmons. Not only this year but his whole career. Has 957 tackles/34-5 sacks/11 int/42passes defensed/13forced fumbles. He might be a step slower than he was but he was always a step faster than most ILB's. Sure would like to see him back for the next couple years.
 
That data is the data for missed tackles.
 
I would say that Shazier often over runs the play which leads to missed arm tackles. But I also view him as Polamalu like who tackled in a similar poor technical manner but likewise blew up a hell of a lot of plays. Even if his initial tackle was missed the ball carrier stops and the second wave gets him.
 
SteelerSask said:
I would say that Shazier often over runs the play which leads to missed arm tackles. But I also view him as Polamalu like who tackled in a similar poor technical manner but likewise blew up a hell of a lot of plays. Even if his initial tackle was missed the ball carrier stops and the second wave gets him.
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I think you saw a lot of overruns from Timmons in his younger years when he was faster.
 
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