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Can we keep winning like this

I would say they can and will continue to win against QBS of this level and there simply are not many who are above. It will make for some *** puckering games but I'd say their personel dictates what they play.
 
Or by design... the steelers have not run anything simular to what they did last year, but they also faced cousins, who struggles vs zones, and Dalton, who is overly reliant on the big play to green to provide offense. two weeks in and you are jumping to conclusions. Two weeks mean nothing in the grand scheme of a season... talk to us in novemeber....


All right. To be continued in November. This is a passing league and to be last in sacks and 2nd to last in pass defense playing an off Cousins and a rainy day that limited Dalton to me is cause for alarm, even if we are winning and also don't forget Ben's turnovers.
 
Whatever number they are rushing isn't getting to the quarterback. Like I said Spike, we are last in sacks and 2nd to last in pass defense. Lucky in many ways.


Like I said, getting sacks isn't the be-all and end-all stat like you think it is.

QB pressure and hurries counts just as much in our defense. Our 4 man rush did the job this game and Andy had a lot of bad throws that didn't connect.
 
Zone D will probably have issues against Brady, but probably ok against most teams.
 
Yes, have you?!

Cousins played like a rookie. He stunk out the joint. Dalton was limited by a wet field and rain. A big reason why Green and Brown had quiet days. The Steelers are playing too much of a prevent defense by design.

Teams with a sharper QB, a running back dangerous out of the back field, a back who can catch, a taller TE with Speed, or one that goes 4-5 wide will rip up this rush 3 cover 8 defense.

On a day without rain, most QB's will pick us apart with no pass rush. And it's not like our DB's are making many plays on the ball

Shazier has bene brilliant, but if history shows anything our resident Lambrugini will be spending some time in the shop.

You sure Coach?? Doesn't sound like it. Did you watch the video posted? Articles posted. Did you read the posts by the other posters.

The Steelers yes have given up yards but are not giving up big plays. They are keeping teams out of the end zone and dominating on third down. It's easy to read the box score and say the secondary isn't playing well but when you WATCH the game you can see that they are. The pass rush hasn't gotten home but they are getting pressure and and forcing errant throws. Watch the games Coach not highlights.
 
And, neither team could rush against us. Most of the Bungles yards came after we had a decent lead. No worries at all.
 
The Cincinnati Bengals were among the best red-zone offenses in the league last season. But they couldn't punch the ball into the end zone on three attempts — including twice in the first half as the Steelers seized momentum en route to a 24-16 victory at Heinz Field on Sunday.

The Bengals were 4 for 16 on third down, in part, because they didn't have an effective enough ground game to prevent the Steelers from using five and six defensive backs.

The Steelers, too, pressured quarterback Andy Dalton once the Bengals were in the red zone. He misfired when chased out of the pocket and Cincinnati's receivers couldn't gain in the separation in the end zone.

“It's certain looks that they give you,” Dalton said. “They defended us well down there.”

“We got some good red-zone pressure,” Steelers defensive end Cam Heyward said. “He had to throw the ball quicker because it's a condensed field.”

The Bengals, of course, expected better production in the red zone. Besides, they thrived inside the 20s last season en route to winning the division title.

“We worked a lot on third downs and red zones this week,” said linebacker Ryan Shazier, who had a game-high 11 tackles. “We played a great team today, but we faced a better offense during practice.”
 
Coach, why are you getting caught up in stats again? There is and has always been one important stat. The score was 24-Steelers, 16 Bengals. Why should you care about if we didn't have enough sacks or interceptions. Hell, we shut their running game down just like we did the Skins. A lot of Dalton's yards came in the fourth quarter when we were playing prevent. You say the field conditions limited Dalton. What, did Ben play on a magical field that was dry? The field and weather sucked for both teams yet we managed over 400 yards of offense and 24 points. This without Wheaton, Bryant, LBell and Green. Why do you even follow this team since nothing anyone seems to do is correct by your standards.
 
Before each game, we were told how we faced so many BU QB's last year and these first two games featured starting QB's who put up big #'s. Our D was in trouble.

They put up a lot of yards. very few points.

Cousins put up more TD's than INTs last year. He didn't vs. us. So he had a bad game. Who gives a ****? Maybe it was openining day nerves, or Monday night nerves or that he knew the D wasn't giving him what he wanted?
 
Davis is terrible in coverage, takes bad angles to the ball and is an iffy tackler. Now that teams have film on him, they will target him more often. Hess playing because S. Thomas is that bad.

I agree with you on Golden.

Burns is still raw, but at least he flashed some ability. His break up play in the end zone was nice. As I suggest he might be our best deeper match up on Green.

Davis is improving. Yes, he;'s not there yet but he's been forced into this position and by all accounts is doing well. And this experience should speed up his learning curve so if we get into the playoffs we should have some nice depth at the position.

I think Cockrell did just fine on Green as he was a non-factor. Also, Burns did have a nice catch up and pass deflect but thinking because he was able to catch up on his mistake vs LaFell and thinking he can match up with AJ Green is crazy. I am liking him as our dime defender learning the defense and being able to get his feet wet on the teams #4 receiver.
 
Okay, I could tell some of you the sky is blue and if that's derogatory towards the Steelers, expect a similar mob-like reaction.

Sorry, pass rush and coverage is at a premium these days. When we play a decent QB without bad weather, you'll see what I'm talking about.
 
Okay, I could tell some of you the sky is blue and if that's derogatory towards the Steelers, expect a similar mob-like reaction.

Sorry, pass rush and coverage is at a premium these days. When we play a decent QB without bad weather, you'll see what I'm talking about.

We are also playing without Dupree and Golson. I think we played two good QB's and they got a lot of dink and dunk yards that pat their stats. Truth is we let them throw to their outlets and beside Bernard making a nice run and a poor tackle by Burns the defense did what they were supposed to do. I think during a closer game you see some more blitzes and a harder time throwing on us.
 
Okay, I could tell some of you the sky is blue and if that's derogatory towards the Steelers, expect a similar mob-like reaction.

Sorry, pass rush and coverage is at a premium these days. When we play a decent QB without bad weather, you'll see what I'm talking about.

I thought that happened the first game. Cousins isn't decent now?
 
so which of these QBs is better than Dalton and set to tear our defense a new *******?

Wentz
Smith
Fitzpatrick
Tannehill
Flacco
Romo/Prescott
McCown
Luck
Manning
Taylor


**** all those *******....

you posted before week 1 about how we shouldn't underestimate Cousins...how did that turn out
 
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Post Steelers-Cincinnati thoughts
September 18, 2016

Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker Jarvis Jones (95) reacts following a missed interception against the Cincinnati Bengals during the first half of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh, Friday, September 18, 2016. (AP Photo/Jared Wickerham)
I didn’t think there would be a lot of ugliness when the Steelers and Bengals teed the ball up today.

But I also didn’t expect the game to look like one between, say, the Steelers and Lions.

That, however, is what Sunday’s 24-16 win by the Steelers over the Bengals looked like. There was no pushing. No shoving. No real jawing going on back and forth.

That was largely a good thing. These two teams just played football.

Maybe the reason for that was because Vontaze Burfict was watching the game from home, or a cave or wherever it is he rests his head each night.

Or maybe the Bengals finally learned that talking tough or playing dirty doesn’t get the job done. The Steelers have made some big hits against the Bengals over the years. Ask any Bengals fan, they’ll give you the laundry list.

But when they give you Keith Rivers, Carson Palmer or any of the other list of players injured by the Steelers over the years, they came on hits that were legal at the time they occurred.

The Bengals are a good team. They don’t need to play that way.

All of that said, neither of these teams looked particularly sharp in this game.

The Steelers didn’t consistently control the line of scrimmage as they did a week ago at Washington and left tackle Alejandro Villanueva had some issues, but they generated enough of a rushing attack to win this game.

In contrast, Cincinnati’s run game was non-existent.


That put a lot of pressure on Andy Dalton, who had his best weapon, A.J. Green, taken away by the Steelers defense.

Ross Cockrell will get a lot of credit for that. And he played well shadowing Green. But he also had a lot of help over the top, though there were times when they were locked up one-on-one where Dalton just didn’t look the way of his best option.

It seems the Steelers had Dalton convinced they were going to double Green all the time. And that wasn’t the case.

The Steelers defense allowed three trips into the red zone. All three ended without the Bengals scoring touchdowns.

That included a first-and-goal situation from the Pittsburgh 1 after two very questionable pass interference penalties.

Ryan Shazier, who’s playing like an All-Pro two games into this season, dropped Jeremy Hill for a 2-yard loss on first down and the Bengals threw incomplete into the end zone on the next two plays.

Third down was an interesting call for the Steelers. They rushed three guys and dropped eight into coverage.

Dalton couldn’t find anyone open and couldn’t find any running room, nearly throwing an interception to Cockrell.

Punter Jordan Berry was the unsung hero of this game for the Steelers.

Berry punted eight times for a 47.1 yard average. But five of his punts were downed inside the 20, with four of those being downed inside the 10.

That left the Bengals, with no running game, a very long field to navigate again and again.

Cincinnati had drives start at its own 9, 3, 8 and 9 thanks to good punts by Berry and good coverage by Pittsburgh’s special teams units.

Mike Tomlin said after the game that the Steelers weren’t perfect in any of the three phases. They certainly weren’t so on offense or defense. But the special teams were pretty darn good.

Jarvis Jones draws a lot of teeth gnashing from Steelers fans. But he’s played well the first two games.

Jones hasn’t recorded a sack - the Steelers have just one in two games - but he’s had some pretty good pressures and the sacks will come.

Everything else Jones has done has been pretty solid.


We saw more of him paired with James Harrison in this one, with Harrison on the right side and Jones on the left.

I like that pairing.

Through two games, by the way, I’m not seeing a lot from Anthony Chickillo in that outside linebacker rotation. But again, it’s early.

Robert Golden is playing a very solid strong safety. In fact, the entire secondary is playing pretty darn well, all things considered.

Yes, the Steelers are allowing yards, but many of them are empty yards at the end of games. The secondary as a whole is doing a nice job. When you allow two touchdowns in two games in today’s NFL, you’re doing something right.

The front is completely slamming the door on the run - the Steelers have given up 101 yards on 30 attempts - but opposing QBs have a 79.2 passer rating.

The Steelers will win a lot of games this season if that keeps up.

It says a lot about this defense that the Steelers won Sunday against a good opponent in a game in which quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was nowhere near as sharp as usual.

How about big Javon Hargrave chasing down Hill from behind on a dumpoff pass?

Yes, Hargrave got called for a horse collar tackle at the end of the play - which was iffy - but that’s an athletic big man.

One of these days, he’ll actually get an opportunity to get on the field for more than 20 plays.

DeAngelo Williams runs hard. And his 32 carries in this game were a career high.

He’s been everything you’d want in a running back in these first two games. But you can bet that he’ll be more than happy to welcome Le’Veon Bell back in two weeks.

Williams has carried the ball 58 times in the first two games and has 10 receptions. That’s 34 touches per game, more than the Steelers even give Bell.

Mike Tomlin seems intent on running the wheels off Williams, who moved into 50th place on the NFL’s all-time rushing list in this game.

He’s also just 10 yards short of 8,000 on the ground in his career.


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so which of these QBs is better than Dalton and set to tear our defense a new *******?

Wentz
Smith
Fitzpatrick
Tannehill
Flacco
Romo/Prescott
McCown
Luck
Manning
Taylor


**** all those *******....

you posted before week 1 about how we shouldn't underestimate Cousins...how did that turn out

Well when it comes to Coach you can completely abandon previous arguments to continue pushing your agenda....revisionist history...it makes you never wrong
 
Well when it comes to Coach you can completely abandon previous arguments to continue pushing your agenda....revisionist history...it makes you never wrong

Just about sums it up
 
Yes, have you?!

Cousins played like a rookie. He stunk out the joint. Dalton was limited by a wet field and rain. A big reason why Green and Brown had quiet days. The Steelers are playing too much of a prevent defense by design.
So was Ben, it goes both ways. In better conditions the Steelers score two more TDs

Teams with a sharper QB, a running back dangerous out of the back field, a back who can catch, a taller TE with Speed, or one that goes 4-5 wide will rip up this rush 3 cover 8 defense.

On a day without rain, most QB's will pick us apart with no pass rush[/B]. And it's not like our DB's are making many plays on the ball

it's hard to find a better balanced team than the bengals right now, it is a compliment to them and a bigger one to the Steelers for controlling the game from start to end. What team on our schedule has better offensive tools than Dalton+Green+jeremy hill?

So yes We can keep winning with this D. Especially with Burns getting playing time and experience and Dupree coming back by mid-season
 
Coach, I ask you this question once again. Why do you follow this football team when nothing they do seems to please you. Why bother? I mean no matter the outcome of a game you seem to always find fault with something. You could essentially take any of the other 31 teams and analyze all of their games and pick about certain things. There is no perfect football team. Front office personnel make mistakes, coaches make mistakes, players make mistakes. I'll take 2-0 to start the season anytime, especially without the likes of LBell, Bryant,Wheaton, Nix, Green, Dupree and Golson.
 
Steelers' defense has old-school look
Chris Adamski BY CHRIS ADAMSKI
Monday, Sept. 19, 2016, 7:51 p.m.
Updated 13 hours ago



Cameron Heyward was drafted by the team at the tail end of about a decade of run-stuffing dominance. But even before he arrived in 2011, he watched the Steelers defense from afar.

“I remember teams would literally bail out by the first quarter and just pass,” Heyward said, “because they knew they couldn't run the ball.”

The Steelers appear on their way to getting back to that.

In what has been one of the on-the-field constants of the Steelers franchise in recent decades, stopping the run took a short hiatus a few years back. But now, it appears back in a big way — just ask opponents, who seem to be recognizing quickly the futile attempt of running on the Steelers and are giving up on it altogether.

“That's how we do things around here, playing the run,” linebacker Jarvis Jones said. “Being physical at the line of scrimmage, that's the way it's been done around here for a long time. We're just trying to get back to the old standard.”

A relatively low-scoring game played in muddy and sometimes-rainy conditions that never at any point had more than a two-possession lead margin?

If there ever was a situation in today's pass-happy NFL to establish the running game, that was it. But when the Cincinnati Bengals encountered those circumstances Sunday, their response was, at first glance, a curious one.

Throw, throw, throw.

Despite poor conditions, the presence of a pair of quality running backs and a game that was never really out of reach, Andy Dalton set a personal record for pass attempts with 54 on the slop that was the Heinz Field turf.

Why? They couldn't run on the Steelers.

“We're continuing to stop the run, and that's where it starts for us,” cornerback Ross Cockrell said. “As long as we can stuff the run, we're gonna play ball.”

The Bengals called six running plays in their first three series. They combined to gain 16 yards.

Second-quarter possessions began with carries of no gain and 1 yard, respectively, and in the third drive of the quarter, the Bengals called upon Giovani Bernard to run over left guard on third and 3. He gained 1 yard.

All three possessions resulted in three-and-outs.

Cincinnati offensive coordinator Ken Zampese had seen enough. The Bengals called just five running plays the remainder of the game.

It was a lot like how play-callers around the league over the past decade acted when playing the Steelers.

“We understand the importance of stopping the run,” linebacker Arthur Moats said. “It's just a different mentality: No one runs on us.”

Through two weeks, no team has faced fewer rushing plays than the Steelers. It harkens back to the dominant Dick LeBeau-led days of 2001-10 when, over a 10-year span, the Steelers ranked below sixth in the NFL in rushing attempts against just once. Why? They were worse than No. 3 in rushing yards allowed just once in that time.

Four times between 2001 and 2010 the Steelers had the NFL's No. 1 rush defense, and nine times in 10 years they ranked in the top three.

This season, the Steelers have allowed 101 rushing yards — 20 NFL teams are allowing that per game through two weeks.

“It's the scheme, it's desire, it's the talent of the individual players at the line of scrimmage,” Jones said. “We take pride in stopping the run around here.

“It's been a part of Steeler history. We're not trying to re-write history — we're just trying to keep history going and getting back to the old Pittsburgh ways of playing good run defense
 
“That's how we do things around here, playing the run,” linebacker Jarvis Jones said. “Being physical at the line of scrimmage, that's the way it's been done around here for a long time. We're just trying to get back to the old standard.”

Lolz
 
LB — A-

Ryan Shazier — when healthy — is unblockable. Against the Bengals, Shazier was all over the field once again, leading the Steelers in tackles with 11 (five solo) and one tackle for a loss.

Much like I am with DeAngelo Williams, I’m running out of superlatives to describe Shazier at this point. “Beast” is a good one for this article.

Outside of Shazier, Lawrence Timmons had a strong game finishing with seven tackles (six solo) while fellow inside linebackers LJ Fort and Tyler Matakevich recorded special teams tackles.

At outside linebacker James Harrison came up with a forced fumble on Tyler Boyd late in the fourth quarter (it might not have been a fumble, but oh well), while Arthur Moats recorded a sack on a scrambling Andy Dalton.

Jarvis Jones also had a strong game off the edge with pressure and almost had an interception in coverage that bounced right off of his numbers.

Anthony Chickillo recorded two tackles in the win and continues to get quite a bit of run as a pass rusher in this 3-4 defense.

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Jarvis didn't have a sack again he sucks SMH. There are other factors to determine
 
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so which of these QBs is better than Dalton and set to tear our defense a new *******?

Wentz
Smith
Fitzpatrick
Tannehill
Flacco
Romo/Prescott
McCown
Luck
Manning
Taylor


**** all those *******....

you posted before week 1 about how we shouldn't underestimate Cousins...how did that turn out


Cousins crapped in the bed. Did you watch the game? He wasn't accurate. Relative to what he did last year, he underperformed.

I would call Dalton a top 12 QB, just barely, but the wet field and rain limited passing.

Looking ahead, we play two rookie QB's, a backup 2X, a few mediocrities and Luck and Manning

So we should not be giving up 300+ a game against most of them, but if we do it will only underscore my point.

I've never seen a team rank last in sacks, and at the very bottom of pass defense win anything.
 
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