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Eric Rowe on the market?

But do they like him enough to give up a pick for him..they seemed to rue that decision during the draft this year.


The Steelers liked him. Rowe was picked #47 overall in 2015. The Steelers took Golson at pick #57 in 2015. If both were on the board, I think Rowe would have been the pick.

The DB spot is so weak, the Steelers gave up a 5th round pick for Boykin. If Rowe is on the trading block I think he's worth a 3rd round pick from the Steelers in 2017. Of course I;d offer a 4th round pick initially. We are close to a super bowl appearance. We just need better play from the DB's.
 
The Steelers liked him. Rowe was picked #47 overall in 2015. The Steelers took Golson at pick #57 in 2015. If both were on the board, I think Rowe would have been the pick.

The DB spot is so weak, the Steelers gave up a 5th round pick for Boykin. If Rowe is on the trading block I think he's worth a 3rd round pick from the Steelers in 2017. Of course I;d offer a 4th round pick initially. We are close to a super bowl appearance. We just need better play from the DB's.

I have no problem with that. But at the same time it seems like it would be redundant. Davis is the same type of player. We will see how these practices and first couple of pre season games go.. but I do think the Steelers have some hesitancy with trading away a pick
 
I have no problem with that. But at the same time it seems like it would be redundant. Davis is the same type of player. We will see how these practices and first couple of pre season games go.. but I do think the Steelers have some hesitancy with trading away a pick

In the past, I'd agree. I think the team is in a win-now window while Ben is healthy and still in his prime.

Slot corner I think will hurt the team, and right now the Steelers are keeping Gay on the outside, partly because Bruns is struggling.

Alex Korza, attending the practices has this to say on Burns:

I don’t mean to harp on it too much but to say anything other than that Artie Burns is having a rough start to camp would be viewing things with rose colored glasses. Again, it’s not time to freak out, if we frame this as a redshirt season, it’s Day 4 of 365, but his stiffness has been evident covering quicker receivers or coming out of his break. And I’m sure he’s finding out he’s no longer the fasted guy around. The fact the team seems intent on keeping William Gay outside helps speak to the realization that Burns needs some time.

The stiffness has been evident covering quicker receivers or coming out of his break was what saw on flims, partucallary on curls, comebacks or slants. Burns looks his best when the ball is in the air and his head is truned around.
 
How about they are keeping him there because that was the plan all along. There is evidence to support that. When Golson missed time in May it was Davis who replaces him. Davis replacing him now has nothing to do with Burns. It was the plan in place for the beginning. The Steelers want to ease Burns in.
 
How about they are keeping him there because that was the plan all along. There is evidence to support that. When Golson missed time in May it was Davis who replaces him. Davis replacing him now has nothing to do with Burns. It was the plan in place for the beginning. The Steelers want to ease Burns in.

Gay played the slot for us a lot last year. Sure the Steelers can keep him on the outside and might have to for now because the next man up isn't NFL ready.

The problem then shifts to who plays the slot?
 
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That would be Davis the guy you want to suck so you can be right.
 
That would be Davis the guy you want to suck so you can be right.

I think this is the biggest misconception you have.

I want to the Steelers to win the super bowl.

For that to happen, those playing need to play better, partially those in the defensive backfield.

If it makes you feel any better I felt the trade up for S. Thomas was a bad move. He had zero ball skills, and some medical issues in addition to being rather short.

I felt the new deal for Cortez Allen was a bad one. And it was.

Prior to that, I felt Troy and Ike should have parted ways easier than they did. Use the cap money elsewhere.

And prior to that, I felt D. Lewis was worth keeping, but we lost him in fee agency.

DB moves....the Steelers has had issues.

I'd rather see the Steelers nail their DB draft picks the way they do with the WR's. One move I did like last year was picking up Cockrell. A fine addition.
 
I think this is the biggest misconception you have.

I want to the Steelers to win the super bowl.

For that to happen, those playing need to play better, partially those in the defensive backfield.

If it makes you feel any better I felt the trade up for S. Thomas was a bad move. He had zero ball skills, and some medical issues in addition to being rather short.

I felt the new deal for Cortez Allen was a bad one. And it was.

Prior to that, I felt Troy and Ike should have parted ways easier than they did. Use the cap money elsewhere.

And prior to that, I felt D. Lewis was worth keeping, but we lost him in fee agency.

DB moves....the Steelers has had issues.

I'd rather see the Steelers nail their DB draft picks the way they do with the WR's. One move I did like last year was picking up Cockrell. A fine addition.

You make that hard to believe the way you post. For example Burns in the other thread. There has been nothing to suggest that Burns struggles has anything to do with the Steelers hesitancy to move Gay back to the slot. The plan all along has been to play Davis behind Golson. Davis has been learning the position along with Safety since he was drafted.. But you try to portray that way so you can be right in your draft assessments that no one cares about at this point.
 
For the Pittsburgh Steelers secondary, Sean Davis is rightfully the "Next Man Up"
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With Senquez Golson possibly out for 12 weeks, who will step up to take his place in the slot?


As Senquez Golson was being carted off the field and was seen throwing his helmet in frustration, the "next man up" preceded to take his place in the slot. That man was not Artie Burns, the corner drafted in the 1st round, getting the opportunity to replace Golson in the slot, but rather the 2nd round pick, Safety Sean Davis.

Sean Davis in offseason OTA's and minicamp was already getting work playing in the slot when Golson was out with an undisclosed injury. This will come to no shocker as Carnell Lake alluded to this type of situation in his press conference when the Steelers drafted Sean Davis.


The first thing we heard about Davis from the words of Carnell Lake when the Steelers drafted him was that,

"He was a productive player at two positions, safety and corner."

He added on to that, talking about his coverage skills and the experience he has at the two positions,

"His cover skills in my opinion are very good. He's had a lot of experience not only covering slots and tight ends as a safety but he also played a year at corner, which gives him more experience."

Lake was later asked a question pertaining to whether he would put him at CB if an injury/emergency were to occur and he said


"I would not hesitate."

The question you may be asking is "Why is Davis playing ahead of Burns" and the answer is quite simple. Davis is further ahead in understanding the defense and is playing much faster than Burns. It doesn't come to much surprise to me as Davis called out signals at the safety position at Maryland and we shouldn't forget the guy knows three different languages (English, Chinese and French).

Another reason for this could be while Burns is a well gifted athlete (track star), Davis is also exceptionally gifted as well and actually was ranked 2nd in the three cone drill along with being 3rd in the 20-yard shuttle out of all defensive backs at the combine.

These numbers, while they may not look like they mean much, they actually explain why Davis is well suited to play in the slot over Burns. Quicker slot WR's like Julian Edelman are tough to match up against because of their quickness and elusiveness in the open field. If you have guy like Davis who is also much bigger (6-1, 202 LB's) but as quick as somebody like Edelman, it gives you comfort over who he's matched up on because even if they shifted the formation and put a TE on him, you have the luxury of not having to switch him off.

This gives Davis a leg up over Burns because while Burns is a good athlete, he is not ideally suited for playing in the slot.

Davis, in a way, reminds me a lot of Byron Jones because he could be answer to the Steelers coverage problems on tight ends, while also not being a liability in the run game because of his strong tackling traits (over 300 tackles throughout his college career).

Davis just looks like the better option at this point to put into the slot over Burns or anyone else due to the injury. Yes, Golson's injury is unfortunate but like Mike Tomlin always says, "Another man's misfortune is another man's opportunity" and the opportunity is paying off for the versatile Sean Davis.
 
Pull the trigger for Rowe if they take a trade for Jarvis and a conditional 2019 5th rounder, that could become a 2018 4th if Rowe makes the pro Bowl. Then we'll have a spot to flip the eventual HOF Chikillo into and we can cut Davis the bust because our pass rush will definitely put up at least 100 sacks and our secondary will obviously not give up a TD...all our problems are solved!!! Hooray
 
Carnell Lake likes Davis in coverage and Coach doesn't. Is this a clash of genius?
 
Eagles coach Doug Pederson confirmed 2015 second-round CB Eric Rowe is behind seventh-round rookie Jalen Mills on the depth chart.

Both are behind Leodis McKelvin, Ron Brooks, and Nolan Carroll. While Mills has performed well this offseason, the real story is about Rowe's inability to earn a role in a nondescript corner group. He is beginning to shape up as wasted pick.
Source: Jeff McLane on Twitter


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Okay, so perhaps the Eagles would take a later round pick. 5th or 6th?

Remember we picked up a cut Cockrell last year off waivers. Now he's our 2nd best CB. Rowe has the ability and as far as I know has no injury issues.

If this move can be made, NOW is the time.
 
Carnell Lake likes Davis in coverage and Coach doesn't. Is this a clash of genius?

Lake gushed about S. Thomas in coverage too as a rookie. How did that workout?

How about Anthony Smith. Remember him? Smith actually made a few plays on the field in camp. He was just too slow to start.

If you go back far enough coaches said good things about Scott Sheilds too.

Usually, a coach will have something nice to say about his new draft pick.
 
Lake gushed about S. Thomas in coverage too as a rookie. How did that workout?

How about Anthony Smith. Remember him? Smith actually made a few plays on the field in camp. He was just too slow to start.

If you go back far enough coaches said good things about Scott Sheilds too.

Usually, a coach will have something nice to say about his new draft pick.

I bet the coaches over the years said nice things about Glen Edwards, Mike Wagner, Donnie Shell, Rod Woodson, Darren Perry and so on when they were rookies.
 
Have the eagles said he is available or is this just speculation??
 
Here you go Coach..nothing official but where there is smoke there may be fire


Could the Eagles Be a Logical Trade Partner for the Steelers?
A Preseason game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Buffalo Bills on Saturday August 29th 2015. The Bills defeated the Steelers 43-19.
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There have been some rumors going around last night that the Eagles are not satisfied with their depth at ILB and are looking to acquire one via trade, according to Jason La Canfora.


It just so happens that the Steelers’ deepest position might be the ILB position, as Marc discussed earlier this week here and I highlighted a couple in discussing the Steelers’ young talent.

Not only is the Steelers’ depth at the position make them an attractive partner for the Eagles, it just so happens the Eagles will be at Heinz Field on August 18th. That game will give the Philadelphia coaching staff a great look at some of the Steelers’ backup linebackers.

So who might the Steelers move?



Ryan Shazier obviously isn’t going anywhere.

Lawrence Timmons‘ massive cap number probably makes him untradeable. However, if Timmons and the Eagles could come to some sort of extension agreement ahead of time, it wouldn’t be a bad move to make. Timmons has seriously lost a step and I think Vince Williams could step in for him easily in 2016.

Vince Williams is more realistic, but honestly I think I’d want more value in a trade for him. Vince is a guy that’s very experienced in the Steelers’ scheme, and if it was up to me would be the starter next to Shazier in 2017. What Vince lacks in coverage skills he makes up for in physicality. He and Shazier would be a nice combination in the middle of the defense. That being said, if you could get a nice piece in return for him, they could afford to lose him at a position of depth.

We’re getting a little more realistic now, with someone like LJ Fort. Fort is a nice special teamer and depth player, but unlike Timmons and Williams, I doubt he ever becomes more than that. Fort might fit the best on both sides, where the Eagles get depth that’s more game ready than a rookie like Matakevich but aren’t paying with a premium player/draft pick that would be needed to net Vince Williams.

Newcomer Steven Johnson has quietly been having a solid camp. He’s flashed a few times in defensive drills but really he’s going to make his living on special teams. My guess is the Eagles want more of a 2nd team LB.

Tyler Matakevich has really been impressive in camp, and looks like he could be a rare 7th round pick to make the roster as a rookie. I would hang onto this kid, because I can’t see the return being more than essentially what you used to choose him last April.



Then the question becomes, what do the Eagles have to offer?

I’m not going to pretend I have real in-depth knowledge of the Eagles roster, but I was a fan of cornerback/safety Eric Rowe coming out of Utah. Many thought that he could be the Steelers’ 1st round pick last year.

Do a quick google search of Rowe’s name, and you’ll see several stories that the new coaching staff in place isn’t crazy about Rowe, and he may be on the trade block. Rookie 7th round pick, Jalen Mills has already passed Rowe on the Eagles depth chart that was just released.

You can never have too much cornerback depth, and even before Senquez Golson’s injury I’d have welcome the addition of Rowe to the roster.

If the Eagles are really already that low on last year’s 2nd round pick (I’ve seen some stories he may be outright cut), then maybe something like LJ Fort for Rowe makes sense for both teams.

If not, then draft picks are always a welcomed compensation as well. The Steeler could possibly work out something like they did last year with the Eagles in the Brandon Boykin deal with a conditional draft pick.
 
Rowe has really fallen out of favor with the coaching staff. A change of scenery may be the best thing to happen to the kid, he seemed plenty talented heading into the draft, hence his 2nd round draft slot. I'd take a flyer on the kid, just hope we pick the right ILB to move at this point, if indeed that's what's being discussed.
 
I just can't see Timmons being traded but the more I think about it, the more it might make sense.
 
Lost some of our ILB depth with the departure of Garvin and Spence. Trading away either Timmons or Williams makes it even worse. Not to mention that Timmons can move into the other ILB spot if Shazier gets hurt (even if it is not as well as he used to) and let Williams come in.
 
This makes too much sense.

The Steelers lack depth at outside corner and in the slot.

Gay can play the slot, but that means rookie Burns, who's not ready will play the outside. Bad idea.

Gay can play outside, but this means rookie Davis will have to play the slot. A bad idea in my opinion. Davis looked suspect on film, and like Burns he's a rookie. Perhaps a faster learner but still a rookie. Safety is Davis best fit. Maybe as the 3rd safety in the nickel this season. A hyrbid LB role if you will for now giving the team better speed.


However, suppose we can get a big corner in Rowe who has size, speed, hops, playmaking skills and most important played well as a rookie? This would allow Gay to move to the slot, and make the entire pass defense better.


So Vince Williams for Rowe? I think Vince is more proven player, and can start for some teams at ILB. Vince really isn't and an ideal fit for a nickel backer. Is his contract also up in 2016....can we keep him in free agency? We do have depth at ILB, and rookie Matakevich looks to be a keeper.

So Williams for Rowe, cwith the caveat Rowe passes a physical and looks good in the workout.

Get it done Kevin Colbert!
 
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I just can't see Timmons being traded but the more I think about it, the more it might make sense.

Timmons has a $15,131,250 cap number for 2016. Training him would mean the other team picks up that tab, correct? If so, I can't see it happening.
 
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Timmons has a $15,131,250 cap number for 2016. Training him would mean the other team picks up that tab, correct? If so, I can't see it happening.

The acquiring team would only be liable for Timmons' 2016 salary (i.e. what the Eagles are going to pay Timmons), not the full cap hit (everything above Timmons' salary represents money we paid Timmons in the past and we would still have to carry that amount). But I can't see the Steelers trading Timmons. Much more likely they give up a 5th round draft pick for Rowe. Player-for-player trades are quite rare in the NFL for a reason. I don't see why the Eagles would be interested in someone like LJ Fort or Steven Johnson.
 
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Timmons has a $15,131,250 cap number for 2016. Training him would mean the other team picks up that tab, correct? If so, I can't see it happening.

Did you even read the article before answering my post? It says it would be plausible if the iggles negotiate an extension for him
 
Some stuff from an eagles blog about Rowe:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...mills-cornerback-trade-rumors-leodis-mckelvin

It sounds like Rowe is struggling to pick up the new defense. He allegedly scored an 11 on the wonderlic the first time that he took it (from a scout - "He will have a very hard time playing safety if that test score (11) is true to his reading ability and decision-making ability."). I think Rowe is Sean Davis without the brain. Whoever uses him will need to keep whatever he's doing simple. And as he's not a good man-to-man corner that limits what you could do with him. Pass.
 
Some stuff from an eagles blog about Rowe:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...mills-cornerback-trade-rumors-leodis-mckelvin

It sounds like Rowe is struggling to pick up the new defense. He allegedly scored an 11 on the wonderlic the first time that he took it (from a scout - "He will have a very hard time playing safety if that test score (11) is true to his reading ability and decision-making ability."). I think Rowe is Sean Davis without the brain. Whoever uses him will need to keep whatever he's doing simple. And as he's not a good man-to-man corner that limits what you could do with him. Pass.

that sounds about right but he did well on man defense last season, I think he could be an athletic 3rd outside CB in the depth chart
 
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