Sean Davis signed

[bermudasteel]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/20/steelers-sign-second-round-safety-sean-davis/

Let the heavens rejoice!!!

 

[POP]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/20/steelers-sign-second-round-safety-sean-davis/

Let the heavens rejoice!!!

That is good news.

The earlier signed the better.

It is all so cookie cutter now, I think it makes signings more straight forward as there isn't much room to negotiate either way.

The article said his dad was a Steeler fan. I hope they didn't put TOO MUCH stock into that aspect. Remember the Mike Adams mistake.

 

[Drink IRON City]

One less worry. Here's to a very productive career as an honest STEELERS player.



Salute the nation

 

[Litos]

they better have given him a 4th round value contract, as every scout had him as a 4th rounder except the Steelers...

 

[Stryker]

So much easier to sign players since their slots are predetermined. No reason to have an agent for your rookie contract. Do it yourself and keep the extra 10%.

 

[swal75]

So much easier to sign players since their slots are predetermined. No reason to have an agent for your rookie contract. Do it yourself and keep the extra 10%.

Still have to negotiate language based on offsets and payment schedules for the signing bonus, etc. Most of these guys need an agent anyways so they can get moneys advanced to them after declaring for the draft.

 

[Supersteeler]

they better have given him a 4th round value contract, as every scout had him as a 4th rounder except the Steelers...

This is the first I have heard of this anywhere. Is that actually true? If so, my next question would be, why does every post draft write up I've read have a highly positive review about the pick? Probably more so than any other Steeler selection this year. I've never seen a negative article about the Davis selection thus far.

 

[Litos]

This is the first I have heard of this anywhere. Is that actually true? If so, my next question would be, why does every post draft write up I've read have a highly positive review about the pick? Probably more so than any other Steeler selection this year. I've never seen a negative article about the Davis selection thus far.

I was teasing Coach who said in another thread he was overdrafted by two rounds

 

[Supersteeler]

I was teasing Coach who said in another thread he was overdrafted by two rounds

Gotcha. I must have missed that one.

 

[Stryker]

Still have to negotiate language based on offsets and payment schedules for the signing bonus, etc. Most of these guys need an agent anyways so they can get moneys advanced to them after declaring for the draft.

I tell you, it would be a good idea for athletes to take sports management/ business classes so they'd understand contractual language. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars that can be saved with the proper education.

I do understand certain players that have immediate need for an advance. I'd personally love tight until the contract was inked.

 

[POP]

This is the first I have heard of this anywhere. Is that actually true? If so, my next question would be, why does every post draft write up I've read have a highly positive review about the pick? Probably more so than any other Steeler selection this year. I've never seen a negative article about the Davis selection thus far.

Ahhhh, there have been tons said about how lost he gets in coverage, and how clumsy he is when going from backpedaling to turning his hips to run. And he has tons of missed tackles. I feel they fell in love with his speed and build and think they can "coach him up" for the other stuff, but, in my experience, you can't coach instincts.

Getting torched in coverage and missing tackles are not things you want from your safety.

WEAKNESSES At times, was disastrous in man coverage. Dinged for 614 yards receiving against him. Slow, upright backpedal and clunky when turning to run. Seemed to be too big and lacking in foot quickness needed to play cornerback. Flagged for four pass interferences, a late hit and a personal foul this year. Charged with ten touchdowns allowed over last two seasons. Missed tackle numbers are troubling with 40 over last three years. Allows too much separation and can’t click and close on throws.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/sean-davis?id=2555386

 

[Supersteeler]

Ahhhh, there have been tons said about how lost he gets in coverage, and how clumsy he is when going from backpedaling to turning his hips to run. And he has tons of missed tackles. I feel they fell in love with his speed and build and think they can "coach him up" for the other stuff, but, in my experience, you can't coach instincts.

Getting torched in coverage and missing tackles are not things you want from your safety.



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/sean-davis?id=2555386

Of course his faults have been well documented. My comment was in reference to the statement that we drafted him 2 Rounds earlier than he was slated to go. That is what I was questioning, not that he has negatives associated with him. If he had no knocks on him, he would be a high 1st Rounder instead of a low 2nd Rounder.

 

[Litos]

Ahhhh, there have been tons said about how lost he gets in coverage, and how clumsy he is when going from backpedaling to turning his hips to run. And he has tons of missed tackles. I feel they fell in love with his speed and build and think they can "coach him up" for the other stuff, but, in my experience, you can't coach instincts.

Getting torched in coverage and missing tackles are not things you want from your safety.



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/sean-davis?id=2555386

That analysis is in Davis playing CB, its been discussed at nauseam that he was drafted to play S, not CB so those Weaknesses are very misleading, don't know why you bring them up if its not to **** on the rookie

 

[POP]

Of course his faults have been well documented. My comment was in reference to the statement that we drafted him 2 Rounds earlier than he was slated to go. That is what I was questioning, not that he has negatives associated with him. If he had no knocks on him, he would be a high 1st Rounder instead of a low 2nd Rounder.

My point was he has some serious flaws, which one could argue taking him in the 2nd round was too high. It is practically "the norm" to make misses while drafting, especially after the first round, and even there, a myriad of mistakes are made every year. Davis is not going to wake up one day and suddenly be good in pass coverage. And he practically set a record for missed tackles. I think they saw his flash (4.46 speed) and aggressive hitting and believe they can "coach him up." He has good physical skills. But you can't be that clumsy in coverage or you are dead in today's NFL. We have made major misses in the 2nd round before, and I just hope he isn't another one.

We've seen them just crap their pants with picks like Mike Adams, Worilds (not a total bust but not worthy of a 2nd round pick), Limas Sweed (horrible pick), Ricardo Colclough (awful), Jeremy Staat, Alonzo Jackson, Scott Shields (another big, fast safety who had no instincts).

But we've also hit some homeruns with 2nd-round picks such as Tuitt, Bell, Woodley (until he got fat and lazy), Kendrell Bell, Marvel Smith.

Which group will Davis belong in? I am hoping the later but I fear it will be the former.

I would love if he ended up like another safety named Sean.......Taylor. It was a shame he was murdered, because he was one hell of a player. He was as good as it gets at safety. That brother could do it all, especially hit like a truck. Had his career not been cut short, we might be talking about him in the same breath as Ronnie Lott.

 

[bermudasteel]

Damn this site can get boring in the off-season.

I've learned to hibernate at times...then I gained 20 pounds...

 

[POP]

That analysis is in Davis playing CB, its been discussed at nauseam that he was drafted to play S, not CB so those Weaknesses are very misleading, don't know why you bring them up if its not to **** on the rookie

Bull ****.

From the same page.............

BOTTOM LINE Miscast this season as an outside cornerback, Davis battled through adversity and bounced back with ball production, tackles and forced fumbles. Davis has the ability to cover, but his strengths would best be utilized at safety where he has fewer man responsibilities and can be deployed near the line of scrimmage a little more often. Davis is an eventual starter at safety and a big backup at cornerback.

Their comments came as they KNEW he was going to play safety.

They were making their analysis KNOWING he would play safety. He can't cover to save his life, and missed 40 tackles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stillwright]

That is good news.

The earlier signed the better.

It is all so cookie cutter now, I think it makes signings more straight forward as there isn't much room to negotiate either way.

The article said his dad was a Steeler fan. I hope they didn't put TOO MUCH stock into that aspect. Remember the Mike Adams mistake.

Well I heard Big Ben's 2nd grades teacher's best friend's Aunt was a HUGE Steeler fan. I'm sure that was a big factor into us drafting Ben. Look how that turned out.

 

[Litos]

Bull ****.

From the same page.............



Their comments came as they KNEW he was going to play safety.

They were making their analysis KNOWING he would play safety. He can't cover to save his life, and missed 40 tackles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well you are giving me the reason, he was miscast as a CB last season and that's why he struggled. They even said those weaknesses were from him playing CB and wouldn't have the same problem at S where he would become an eventual starter.

I think you are not reading what you are posting, check again the Weaknesses, they say literally:

Slow, upright backpedal and clunky when turning to run. Seemed to be too big and lacking in foot quickness needed to play cornerback

you see? those fails come from playing CB, so Bottom line

but his strengths would best be utilized at safety

 

[slashsteel]

well you are giving me the reason, he was miscast as a CB last season and that's why he struggled. They even said those weaknesses were from him playing CB and wouldn't have the same problem at S where he would become an eventual starter.

I think you are not reading what you are posting, check again the Weaknesses, they say literally:

you see? those fails come from playing CB, so Bottom line

reading isn't Pops strong suit

you know I don't mind pointing strengths and weaknesses...

What I do mind is posters not being able to comprehend articles or even posters when they point out that something isn't clearly the case.

Then three threads later they are still harking on the same ol bullshit.

Read then comprehend.....

 

[POP]

reading isn't Pops strong suit

you know I don't mind pointing strengths and weaknesses...

What I do mind is posters not being able to comprehend articles or even posters when they point out that something isn't clearly the case.

Then three threads later they are still harking on the same ol bullshit.

Read then comprehend.....

Ridiculing me for my ability to read and comprehend? What is it that you do for a living, exactly?

I am fully aware Davis played for a season at CB, where he got scorched badly. But in today's NFL, you better be able to cover as a safety, or your D will get scorched.

I have read several reports, where the author acknowledged Davis as a safety and STILL brought up how he is a liability in coverage. He is very poor at transiting from backpedal to running with the receiver.

What do you think Gronk will do to this guy in coverage? He's gonna rip him into pieces.

Here is what CBS Sports had to say about him.

Looks and covers like a safety, showing a high back pedal and choppy turning motion which allows receivers relatively easy separation. A better hitter than cover man and seems to know it, opting to try to knock the ball out of the hands of receivers as they catch it rather than eliminate the catch with his ability to remain between the ball and quarterback. Too often loses track of his receiver, sneaking peeks back at the quarterback. Struggles with double-moves, lacking ideal balance and recovery speed.

Offers intriguing traits but may prove a project regardless of which position he's ultimately asked to play in the NFL.

IN OUR VIEW: Another cornerback/safety hybrid, Davis boasts the size, length and muscular build that NFL scouts covet in the secondary. He is an aggressive run defender with the tackling skills and power to dislodge the football, ranking second in the FBS last season with five forced fumbles. Davis, who was listed as a safety at the Senior Bowl, has some 'tweener traits as an athlete, so his performance in pre-draft drills will give teams a better idea of his best position in the NFL.

--Rob Rang (@robrang) (9/11/16)

I have no doubt the guy will be great around the LOS; he set a school record for forced fumbles and led the team in tackles. He should help bring back the toughness and physicality we used to have in the late 2000's. But safeties today have to do more than just hit and tackle. Even Seattle's Cam Chancellor, who hits like a truck, can still play coverage very well. The game has really changed, and there is so much passing that your entire backfield better be able to pass cover. I have no doubt Davis will be a joy in run support. I just hope he can pass cover enough to make it on the field to begin with. None of us enjoyed the visions of our pass D being carved up like a turkey on Thanksgiving.

 

[bermudasteel]

The thing is, Pop, NO ONE KNOWS how this will turn out.

Everything that we read and assume is all SPECULATION.

Now, let's go watch some NBA Finals or NASCAR - that what's on tonight...

 

[Litos]

Any rookie S would get destroyed by Gronk except maybe Ramsey

 

[Coach]

I was teasing Coach who said in another thread he was overdrafted by two rounds

He signed a 4-year deal. Wasn't a 5 year deal makeable? Yes, I think he was over drafted by a round. A workout wonder type, or if you prefer an Al Davis type of pick. The flim in coverage is pertty bad.

 

[Litos]

He signed a 4-year deal. Wasn't a 5 year deal makeable? Yes, I think he was over drafted by a round. A workout wonder type, or if you prefer an Al Davis type of pick. The flim in coverage is pertty bad.

In coverage as a CB?