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Jarvis Jones the next to leave?

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According to Colbert, they haven't made a decision on his 5th year option. Very interesting. If we draft OLB in rounds 1-3, I'd let Jones walk too and save $ and take a future compensatory pick.
 
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That's why Noah Spence would be tough to pass on if he is there at 1.25.
 
Don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out.
 
ZACKB said:
That's why Noah Spence would be tough to pass on if he is there at 1.25.
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I would expect several better players than Noah Spence will be available at DL and DB when we hit the clock.

We should probably explore trading back if Noah Spence is their BPA at 1/25 IMO
 
Fiji Mariner said:
I would expect several better players than Noah Spence will be available at DL and DB when we hit the clock.

We should probably explore trading back if Noah Spence is their BPA at 1/25 IMO
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While each man should be his own private case, I believe the Steelers have drafted too many bad character types that have had off the field issues that have lead to bad press or suspensions.

The fact they the police blotter incidents have appeared relatively close to each other makes me believe our first round pick has to be clean, so to speak. I do not think Spence is our board for round one, but the team can act like he is for a decoy.
 
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Coach said:
According to Colbert, they haven't made a decision on his 5th year option. Very interesting. If we draft OLB in rounds 1-3, I'd let Jones walk too and save $ and take a future compensatory pick.
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Why would they worry about 5th year option now Coach? This is a non issue at this point in time. If he continues improving and has a great year you put the 5th year option on him (after this season). If he plateaus and his performance stagnates they probably offer him a 3 year 10-12 million deal saving a ton of cap space. There is no urgency to make the decision on his 5th year option where we stand right now so why would Colbert know at this point? Due diligence, wait and see is a no brainer.
 
According to Colbert, they haven't made a decision on his 5th year option. Very interesting. If we draft OLB in rounds 1-3, I'd let Jones walk too and save $ and take a future compensatory pick.


Fiji Mariner said:
Why would they worry about 5th year option now Coach? This is a non issue at this point in time. If he continues improving and has a great year you put the 5th year option on him (after this season). If he plateaus and his performance stagnates they probably offer him a 3 year 10-12 million deal saving a ton of cap space. There is no urgency to make the decision on his 5th year option where we stand right now so why would Colbert know at this point? Due diligence, wait and see is a no brainer.
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I was talking about the future. The Steelers pick up 5th year options on players they like and value. ( See Decastro and Heyward and check the dates as to when they were offered ). The fact that Jones hasn't received an option yet underscores his lack of value. If we are in May or April and no 5th year option is taken, it tells me Jones is being phased out.

He can't play Speical teams or rush the passer. And he's no force vs the run, and makes few tackles too. I'd trade him right now for a 3rd round pick if there are any takers.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Why would they worry about 5th year option now Coach? This is a non issue at this point in time. If he continues improving and has a great year you put the 5th year option on him (after this season). If he plateaus and his performance stagnates they probably offer him a 3 year 10-12 million deal saving a ton of cap space. There is no urgency to make the decision on his 5th year option where we stand right now so why would Colbert know at this point? Due diligence, wait and see is a no brainer.
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If they extend him now they may be able to sign him for less money. If they wait, he may do well next year and cost them more like Worilds did, then go back to being barely adequate like Worilds once he gets paid. I think Jones has even less upside than Worilds so I would wait and see. If he signs elsewhere as a FA it's no great loss.
 
Ron, I think the wait and see in this scenario is appropriate. See what he gives us and then slot his pay accordingly.

On the off chance he blows up this year offer the 5th and try to negotiate extension. If he doesn't blow it up they let him walk or offer a more cap friendly deal if he is to be a rotational player. I think the situation is a bit different than Worilds, but I see where you're going with this.
 
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He will probably have a breakout season, then leave in two years and people will be bitching about it as much as they ***** about him now
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Probably not, Jones is an underachiever.
 
The option would've to be picked by mid may, that's why is an issue to be talked right now. It makes no sense to pick it up though, about 9 millions for an average player, rather offer him a 3 year 10 millions contract and see if he takes it.
 
Coach, the offering of 5th year contracts to Heyward and DeCastro has no bearing in this scenario. Both of those guys were obviously desired to be in the team's long term future. JJ has not earned the benefit of applying the 5th year option yet, his stock is not in the same league as those guys right now.
 
Coach said:
According to Colbert, they haven't made a decision on his 5th year option. Very interesting. If we draft OLB in rounds 1-3, I'd let Jones walk too and save $ and take a future compensatory pick.
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What's interesting about it? How many other teams have stated they've made a decision on 5th year options for their players?
 
Litos said:
The option would've to be picked by mid may, that's why is an issue to be talked right now. It makes no sense to pick it up though, about 9 millions for an average player, rather offer him a 3 year 10 millions contract and see if he takes it.
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Didn't know option had to be picked up by mid may. Good clarification, I stick by the wait and see approach as the 9M for a year seems like a huge gamble on the off chance he blows it up.

He def seems like a 3-5m/year player provided he continues improving. Otherwise test the FA waters JJ.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Coach, the offering of 5th year contracts to Heyward and DeCastro has no bearing in this scenario. Both of those guys were obviously desired to be in the team's long term future. JJ has not earned the benefit of applying the 5th year option yet, his stock is not in the same league as those guys right now.
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Fiji,

I have an issue with " his stock is not in the same league as those guys right now " , as it implies it could be. Heyward and DeCastro are much better players.

Jarvis Jones is a first round bust plain and simple. He's not a rookie anymore. By year 3, teams and fans pretty much know who can play and who can't.

I'd rather work on finding a better starter / role player and let him go. Some team will likely scoop him up, and I'll take a 6th or 7th round compensatory pick for the future.

I do like Carl Nassib a lot in round two. He impressed me at the senior bowl, and his stats in a large conference for 2015 are off the charts impressive. He worked out decently. I can see him playing standing up 3-4 OLB, then kicking outside to the nickel or dime, and offer a much better pass rush.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1983812/carl-nassib
 
nooneuno said:
What's interesting about it? How many other teams have stated they've made a decision on 5th year options for their players?
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Thing is, you never know with Tombert. They may decide they can't live without Uncle Jarvis. They do tend to keep barely adequate players they already have rather than looking for someone potentially better. Personally I think it's partly an ego thing where Tombert thinks their system is so complicated that no one new can learn it (it ain't). Darth Hoodie rarely keeps barely adequate players on the roster and when he does he certainly doesn't overpay them.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Thing is, you never know with Tombert. They may decide they can't live without Uncle Jarvis. They do tend to keep barely adequate players they already have rather than looking for someone potentially better. Personally I think it's partly an ego thing where Tombert thinks their system is so complicated that no one new can learn it (it ain't). Darth Hoodie rarely keeps barely adequate players on the roster and when he does he certainly doesn't overpay them.
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That is a total myth. Bellicheck has kept plenty of players on his roster that aren't world beaters. Amendola is still on the team and he has done nothing since coming to New England. They just gave him a new contract last year where he can earn 15 million over 3 years. He's not worth anything close to that.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Thing is, you never know with Tombert. They may decide they can't live without Uncle Jarvis. They do tend to keep barely adequate players they already have rather than looking for someone potentially better. Personally I think it's partly an ego thing where Tombert thinks their system is so complicated that no one new can learn it (it ain't). Darth Hoodie rarely keeps barely adequate players on the roster and when he does he certainly doesn't overpay them.
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Tomlin has a blind spot for the scrappy type of players who get their @sses handed to them more often than not, and can quickly put a newer more talented player in his doghouse. Sometimes he says so-so and so just doesn't know the system, then quickly is proven wrong when he has to play.

But defense is changing. We play far less base 3-4, and more nickel and dime.

We need an OLB who can

1 ) Rush the passer.
2 ) Shed blocks and make tackles in-line or in purist vs the run or pass.
3 ) Offer coverage vs RB's and TE's

A scheme flexible player, or a player who's very good at more than one variety of defense.

Jones is a liability in all three phases of the game in a 3-4, or nickel or dime as he doesn't have the skills for special teams either. Yet he remains a starter. An upgrade is badly needed.

With Blake gone, the focus shifts to the next weakest link.
 
They may not have another viable option this year. He was a little better last year. Anything above vet minimum as a rotational backup is too much for this guy. One of the worst 1st round picks in recent memory. Even Hood at least was steady. And Mendenhall was a promising feature back for a season or two.
 
nooneuno said:
That is a total myth. Bellicheck has kept plenty of players on his roster that aren't world beaters. Amendola is still on the team and he has done nothing since coming to New England. They just gave him a new contract last year where he can earn 15 million over 3 years. He's not worth anything close to that.
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Amendola never was the same again after his injury while still with the rams
 
IMO, unless we plan on looking in Free Agency next season, we need to strongly consider an OLB in the early rounds. Jones is trash, he should be gone after this season and this is Harrison's last season, we both out ROLB will be done after this season. Hell with Jones injury history and Harrison's age, they could both be done this season.
 
Coach said:
Tomlin has a blind spot for the scrappy type of players who get their @sses handed to them more often than not, and can quickly put a newer more talented player in his doghouse. Sometimes he says so-so and so just doesn't know the system, then quickly is proven wrong when he has to play.

But defense is changing. We play far less base 3-4, and more nickel and dime.

We need an OLB who can

1 ) Rush the passer.
2 ) Shed blocks and make tackles in-line or in purist vs the run or pass.
3 ) Offer coverage vs RB's and TE's

A scheme flexible player, or a player who's very good at more than one variety of defense.

Jones is a liability in all three phases of the game in a 3-4, or nickel or dime as he doesn't have the skills for special teams either. Yet he remains a starter. An upgrade is badly needed.

With Blake gone, the focus shifts to the next weakest link.
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how? that "hole" isn't filled yet.
 
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