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Bryant skips drug test; facing full season suspension

It's all about money. Holmes signed a 5 year deal worth 8.11 million in 2006, he just finished his 4th year of that contract, and had a career year. He was looking for an extension and he was looking for big money. He then got popped for weed and was hit with a 4 game suspension. You don't pay big money to a receiver that is one test away from a year long suspension. With Bryant, he just finished his second year of a 4 year deal worth 2.7 mil. He still has two years left on that deal, and his cap hits are 700k and 800k. By being suspended for the year, he does not accrue a season, and is therefore still under contract with the Steelers for those two remaining years UPON return (IF he's reinstated). Cutting him saves no money, you hold on to his rights, see if he comes back.

If he is reinstated, that's two years of a top flight talent at less than 1m per year. If he's suspended again, you still don't lose anything, and we've already made contingency plans in case something like this were to happen (Coates, Green). But if he's available in a year, he only adds more to the offense that's already explosive even WITHOUT Bryant.

AND you keep him on the roster to keep him from going to the *pats, Ravens, Cowboys, etc. and turning it around there (which I don't see happening). I thought this last 4 game suspension, and mentoring from Tomlin, Ben, etc. had done the trick, but what do I know. As someone said previously, he never had issues DURING the season, he just gets depressed when on break.

This is SO disappointing.
 
As someone said previously, he never had issues DURING the season, he just gets depressed when on break.

This is SO disappointing.
he supposedly gets depressed, I never heard him or his agent say anything about depression during his suspension this past season, did he suddenly just get depressed?
 
As for keeping him, or cutting him. The money really is a non-factor because he is suspended without pay so I don't think he counts against our cap, but come on, does anybody really believe he can go from this march to next march having nothing to do, and not touch the stuff again?
 
The upside is that he is not in trouble with the law that we know of. I appreciate the fact that he rescinded his appeal and took his lumps like a man. I wish him well in his recovery, again not just for the Steelers, but for his future whatever that may be.
 
Even if weed is legalized, it doesn't change the rules of employers. They aren't suddenly going to say "oh, it's legal? Smoke as much as you want". Doesn't matter of its legal or not, it's against the rules.

Also, the arguing over weed being addictive or not... ANYTHING can become addicting. Video games can become addicting. Working out can become addicting. Jerking off can become addicting. Saying weed can't be, is just stoner talk...

Sorry but there is a distinct difference between addiction and habit. This is not stoner talk but science, which you seem to have confused. Addiction (to steel from OFTB) refers to having strong PHYSICAL withdraws after stopping, or something that if other people were to do they would not be able to easily stop doing. Millions of people go to the gym two or three times a week or more but stopping wouldn't cause them to cease being able to function or put them in the hospital.

I have never heard of someone selling their kids toys or whoring out their wife or sucking dick to get money to go to the gym,get lube to jerk off, or smoke weed. Talk to a meth head or a crack head and you will understand the difference between addiction and habit.

With all this being said the rules are the rules, and Bryant decided that they didn't apply to him. I am on the side of whatever the steelers decide to do is fine with me.
 
Is Moye still on the Titan's practice squad? :prod:
 
As for keeping him, or cutting him. The money really is a non-factor because he is suspended without pay so I don't think he counts against our cap, but come on, does anybody really believe he can go from this march to next march having nothing to do, and not touch the stuff again?

Does it really matter if he does or not? We will play this year without him no matter what happens. That means Coates gets another year of experience with a lot more reps (lets also not forget he either matched Bryant or bested him in all his combine numbers, easily just as athletic as Bryant. Just two inches shorter), Green will make a big difference as well. But if he DOES stay away from it, and DOES get reinstated, the offense just gets BETTER and doesn't cost us an arm and a leg.

The suspension is there, there's no debating it. But it does us no good to cut him loose when he doesn't cost us anything to hold onto his rights.
 
Does it really matter if he does or not? We will play this year without him no matter what happens. That means Coates gets another year of experience with a lot more reps (lets also not forget he either matched Bryant or bested him in all his combine numbers, easily just as athletic as Bryant. Just two inches shorter), Green will make a big difference as well. But if he DOES stay away from it, and DOES get reinstated, the offense just gets BETTER and doesn't cost us an arm and a leg.

The suspension is there, there's no debating it. But it does us no good to cut him loose when he doesn't cost us anything to hold onto his rights.

If it were me, he'd be cut, he got suspended once, Ben called him every day while he was in rehab and told him the team had his back. Bryant comes back says he made a mistake and is a changed man, blah, blah, blah, (no mention of depression) then pulls this ****. Maybe his *** needs to hit rock bottom before he will help himself.
 
You're probably right. Bryant doesn't have a problem and shouldn't even be admitted into rehab. I'm not even sure if they HAVE rehab facilities for non-addicting substances. I mean can you GO to rehab for water? or Orange Juice? Why would you go for pot? Seems stupid.

He most likely just smoked pot because he doesn't like the Steelers. He figured the best way off the team was to fail numerous drug tests. Yep. He doesn't have a problem. He could clearly quit anytime he wants. It's not addictive. It's not a problem. Who's paying for the rehab? I hope it isn't the Steelers. That'd be a joke. Bryant would be certainly stickin' it to those front office dumbasses there, wouldn't he?

He probably doesn't even LIKE pot. I bet he's one of those people who is actually unaffected by it. Well played Martavis. Well played.
 
If it were me, he'd be cut, he got suspended once, Ben called him every day while he was in rehab and told him the team had his back. Bryant comes back says he made a mistake and is a changed man, blah, blah, blah, (no mention of depression) then pulls this ****. Maybe his *** needs to hit rock bottom before he will help himself.

Does his salary count against the cap since he is suspended? I care far more about that than I do about Martavius.
 
I believe his bonus counts, but not his salary.
 
Does his salary count against the cap since he is suspended? I care far more about that than I do about Martavius.

no, he is suspended WITHOUT pay. None of his cost count THIS year. They would pick up where they left off NEXT year IF he's reinstated.
 
food for thought ...

Did anyone think that he does have a problem with Pot because he is depressed and that is the ONLY thing in his mind that helps ? Just curious ...
 
no, he is suspended WITHOUT pay. None of his cost count THIS year. They would pick up where they left off NEXT year IF he's reinstated.

Well that should keep him from buying as much weed then.

food for thought ...

Did anyone think that he does have a problem with Pot because he is depressed and that is the ONLY thing in his mind that helps ? Just curious ...
Yes. And no I don't care. I still think he's a ****-up.
 
can it be a natural condition in human's DNA that define addictiveness? I have no problem to stop drinking, or smoking a joint (being at least two years since and don't feel any cravings when someone close does it) but maybe is different for other people?

Well, there is no question that DNA comes into play with things that are actually addictive; the point is, weed isn't one of those things. Coffee, for instance. I am on it now, and dig it. But, I don't drink it every day and days I don't drink it, I have no craving to do so, but I know other people who, if they don't immediately guzzle some down first thing in the AM, they get headaches and feel like they can't function.
 
Even if weed is legalized, it doesn't change the rules of employers. They aren't suddenly going to say "oh, it's legal? Smoke as much as you want". Doesn't matter of its legal or not, it's against the rules.

Also, the arguing over weed being addictive or not... ANYTHING can become addicting. Video games can become addicting. Working out can become addicting. Jerking off can become addicting. Saying weed can't be, is just stoner talk...

No it's not; there are specific elements to things being PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE. Weed doesn't possess them.

Using "addictive" in the generic sense is not the same thing as being PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE.

Get it straight.

We are talking SCIENCE here, not opinion. Weed and playing video games is NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE.

Tell me what physical withdrawal symptoms one experiences when stopping weed? None.

That addiction bull **** is used for people too dumb, without any self-discipline, to stop weed. Bryant is clearly one of them.

Funny, Bell never used excuses when he got busted for baking. All he said, generally, was "that was a selfish thing to do, I will stop toking, until after my career is over, and then, if I feel like it, I will bake again."

He never had to go to rehab or any nonsense to stop toking. He just simply quit doing it (we hope).
 
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food for thought ...

Did anyone think that he does have a problem with Pot because he is depressed and that is the ONLY thing in his mind that helps ? Just curious ...

No, because if that were the case we would've heard about his depression upon him leaving rehab last fall you'd think, and he would've been given medication for the depression. We haven't heard anything about depression until now, not from him, his agent, or even the Steelers, not last year when he failed either. If his depression is that bad, wouldn't it have effected him at some point during the season too?
 
food for thought ...

Did anyone think that he does have a problem with Pot because he is depressed and that is the ONLY thing in his mind that helps ? Just curious ...

Just think about how more depressed he will be not getting paid. Some people just can't get out of their own way. This is self inflicted, I have ZERO sympathy for him.
 
No, because if that were the case we would've heard about his depression upon him leaving rehab last fall, and he would've been given medication for the depression. We haven't heard anything about depression until now, not last year when he failed. If his depression is that bad, wouldn't it have effected him at some point during the season too?

Considering Colbert's comments, they are clearly not treating this as depression. Made no mention of it, just that MB needs to get is **** together or his time with the Steelers is over.
 
at least marijuana isn't addictive...or is it that he's stupid? or arrogant? or doesn't give a ****?

I could care less what anyone does, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Well this hurts the players on his team. he's a stupid, arrogant, not give a ****, kinda guy.
 
Alright, Cheryl is right, I was a bit hard on Martavis.

regarding this... You're wrong. Absolutely wrong. Pot is extraordinarily addicting. In fact, studies show that pot users develop behavioral patterns that are extremely difficult to break out of. Pot acts differently on the body than other drugs. It stores up in fat cells and releases very slowly. That's why you don't get your crazy "withdrawal" symptoms that apparently you feel are the necessary precursor to "addiction". Instead, pot can release very slowly over time. As such a long term user has a very subtle but strong craving for pot the never quite goes away. Because it stays in their system for so darn long. (And that's just the physiological side of the drug.)

The psychological aspects of pot addiction are also significant. An entire lifestyle is built around use. That lifestyle is extremely hard to break free of.

So, in that respect one must appreciate how difficult it would be for a young person like Martavis to shed his addiction. (And he IS addicted. This is also one of the major reasons that pot is NOT a harmless drug. While pot does have many beneficial effects for people, it also has quite a few negative aspects as well. Thus, pot really should NOT be legalized for recreational use. Medicinally, fine. A Dr. can certainly determine those cases were pot can help a patient and how it can best be administered.

Alcohol, ironically, while also a very dangerous drug has clearer signals of overuse and clears out of your system more quickly. Booze burns hot and quickly in the human metabolism. Good or bad, there it is. I won't argue that there are a great many traffic collisions caused by alcohol. Of course pot also causes traffic collisions, but there is less data regarding pot usage on the road as pot usage is only now becoming widely accepted. There will be more and more pot-related incidents now that the drug is becoming more publicly accepted.

But I digress. Am I disappointed in Byrant? Of course. Did I expect him to avoid issues with his pot addiction? Not at all. I was completely aware that he is a hopeless addict and that unless he sought out serious help he wasn't going to be able to resolve his addiction problems. Alcohol and pot addiction quite often go hand in hand with depression. I wouldn't be surprised if he IS depressed. Quite likely the pot is either coping mechanism or a causation. Either way, self-medicating is not the answer. If he's depressed he needs to seek the proper medical and psychiatric treatment ahead of time rather than offer the diagnosis as an excuse for his addiction issues. That merely comes off as the excuse it truly is.

Again, hard honesty is Bryant's only friend right now. I do believe the Steeler's should retain him, at minimum contract price. If somebody wants to sign him after his contract expires at a higher rate, super. Let them. In the meantime, I would recommend that the Steelers require Bryant to attend AA/NA meetings as a requirement of his contract weekly paychecks upon his return to the team and active practices and games. If he doesn't like it, he can go elsewhere. While he may consider that unfair, that would be the addiction talking. The kid needs help and he clearly can't provide it himself. He hasn't hit the bottom. I sincerely doubt the "check in to rehab" is anything more than a PR move to attempt to salvage what's left of his career at this point. If the Steelers truly wish to help him do so, they need to help him realize that THEY at least take his addiction situation seriously.

That's my opinion anyway. He is gifted, but that and .50 cents will buy him some coffee at his next AA meeting. And that's the cold hard truth from a fellow who grew up with two recovering alcoholic parents who didn't stop drinking until I was 7 or 8. You have to lose a whole lot before you realize your life is just too ****** to continue the way it is and that there's some stuff more important than today. Bryant needs some help focusing on a whole bunch of tomorrows down the line. A HUGE part of the problem is people telling him pot just isn't that big a deal.

Well, pretty clearly it's a pretty big ******* deal to Bryant.

You quoted this fat cell bullshit to me once and I refuted it. The THC stored in fat cells is inactive and when released doesn't get one "high". You're cherry-picking a piece of something true and applying it to your argument to fit your narrative. You're a nut-job conspiracy theorist, it's your MO, I get it.
 
You quoted this fat cell bullshit to me once and I refuted it. The THC stored in fat cells is inactive and when released doesn't get one "high". You're cherry-picking a piece of something true and applying it to your argument to fit your narrative. You're a nut-job conspiracy theorist, it's your MO, I get it.
that nut job contributes and you don't, I don't get it.....

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at least marijuana isn't addictive...or is it that he's stupid? or arrogant? or doesn't give a ****?

I could care less what anyone does, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Well this hurts the players on his team. he's a stupid, arrogant, not give a ****, kinda guy.


He's apparently dumb. One of the guys on a different forum I visit played at Clemson in the late 90s and still has some ties there and said basically that Martavis had to wear different colored shoelaces so that they could differentiate which side of the formation he needed to line up on. Play calls were like blah blah Tay run a blue side go route.
 
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