Obamacare and guns now married?

[Coach]

Did I hear this right? Obama will " deputize " doctors who when seeing patients under the affordable care act ( which is not so affordable ) can at their discretion report someone as mentally ill to the FBI. Not only can this deny a right to own firearms, it's a way to eliminate or target political opponents.

Such as tactic is often used in Russia, Cuba and other places.

Such a new world order is dangerous. Not all doctors are ethical, and some may be politically motivated.

I'll give Obama some credit with this Kaiser Soze type of move. The focus was on the victims and the insane, with a tear, not on future repercussions.

Ronald Reagan nails it. These words from yesteryear are still very true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NWqvRidlk

 

[Yinzerlyn]

You are right. Doctors can also ask CHILDREN if their parents own guns. I have told my kiddo repeatedly to NOT answer those questions. I too will refuse to answer questions about gun ownership.

 

[DBS1970]

I have raised this point too. I was poo poo'd and told I was paranoid.

 

[ark steel]

You are right. Doctors can also ask CHILDREN if their parents own guns. I have told my kiddo repeatedly to NOT answer those questions. I too will refuse to answer questions about gun ownership.

I believe they will note refusal to answer. I'd imagine, up the chain, that will be considered a yes. Just Say No.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Be cool to fight that in court citing Roe v. Wade as a precedent.

 

[Coach]

You are right. Doctors can also ask CHILDREN if their parents own guns. I have told my kiddo repeatedly to NOT answer those questions. I too will refuse to answer questions about gun ownership.

Where is the ACLU?!! Rights can be abused here! Oh, wait they are going to need to wait for some doctor to railroad a minority incorrectly as mentally ill, denying that USA citizen his rights to own a gun... and then it will be a tough call for them!

Very sad, but likely true. Medical records I thought were supposed to be private via the HIPPA Laws, not given to the FBI and government agencies!

Anyone who can't see this dangerous slippery slope is either looking away purpose or simply blind to this cleverly conceived agenda that mainstream media for whatever reason is not reporting.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

This is not a new concept. Doctors have being doing this for years with pregnant teens. They demand the identity of the father so the cops can go arrest the poor *******. Even if he too is underage.

Big Government at it's finest. Doctor patient confidentiality is long gone.

 

[oneforthebus]

This is not a new concept. Doctors have being doing this for years with pregnant teens. They demand the identity of the father so the cops can go arrest the poor *******. Even if he too is underage.

Big Government at it's finest. Doctor patient confidentiality is long gone.

Doctors are mandated reporters of child abuse...including child sexual abuse. That's a good thing.

You aren't a new incarnation of GS are you?

 

[Rod Farva]

Where is the ACLU?!! Rights are being abused here! .

Hate to do it but felt compelled to edit.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Doctors are mandated reporters of child abuse...including child sexual abuse. That's a good thing.

You aren't a new incarnation of GS are you?

14 year old knocks up 16 year old and ends up on the **** list for life. "Child sexual abuse"? Hardly.

 

[oneforthebus]

14 year old knocks up 16 year old and ends up on the **** list for life. "Child sexual abuse"? Hardly.

Except that doesn't happen. Maybe you're thinking of 18 year olds arrested for knocking up 16 year olds. Or 14 year olds, Depending on the age of consent in your state.

 

[ark steel]

Doctors are mandated reporters of child abuse...including child sexual abuse. That's a good thing.

You aren't a new incarnation of GS are you?

If the girl says she was not sexually abused and is pregnant by her 16 yo boyfriend, I don't think the doctors call the police. The parents might. Could depend upon State law as to what constitutes sex between minors or the age difference.

Doctors are required to call the cops when there are shooting or stabbing victims too. All those rules are based upon actual crimes having been committed. Or, at the very least, likely to have been committed.

I think doctors are required to call the cops if a patient makes some specific threat to others (or himself) and the doctor feels it is viable, too, but again, a very likely occurrence of a crime or harm to others.
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What this new rule is likely to require or "encourage" is far and away more than what has been required.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Except that doesn't happen. Maybe you're thinking of 18 year olds arrested for knocking up 16 year olds. Or 14 year olds, Depending on the age of consent in your state.

It absolutely does happen and it's isn't particularly rare.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/rockdale-girl-16-accused-of-statutory-rape-of-boy-/nd4sL/

http://www.argusleader.com/story/ne...x-offender-registry-should-reviewed/77980394/

I've seen this in my home state as well. Everybody ask the question "what if it was my daughter" who was the "victim". Nobody asks "what if it was my son" who was the accused.

 

[ark steel]

Memorial Middle School officials saw video footage of the teens enter the boys’ bathroom together on Feb. 25, and emerge 10 minutes later.

Doesn't say anything about a doctor having called the police, which is the point of what we are discussing. The other article doesn't mention doctors or physicians being required to call the police on consensual teenage sex either.

As far as whether teens should be on a sex offender list, I don't care how old you are if you commit a heinous crime, you stay on the ******* list if you are a teenager or an adult. If a teenager I fondling 6 year olds, you bet your *** he belongs on the list.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Doesn't say anything about a doctor having called the police, which is the point of what we are discussing. The other article doesn't mention doctors or physicians being required to call the police on consensual teenage sex either.

As far as whether teens should be on a sex offender list, I don't care how old you are if you commit a heinous crime, you stay on the ******* list if you are a teenager or an adult. If a teenager I fondling 6 year olds, you bet your *** he belongs on the list.

TheBus said teens aren't charged with Stat Rape of other teens. I showed that they are.

And since when did two teenagers banging become a "heinous crime"? What planet do you live on?

 

[ark steel]

TheBus said teens aren't charged with Stat Rape of other teens. I showed that they are.

And since when did two teenagers banging become a "heinous crime"? What planet do you live on?

Did I say that was a heinous crime? I gave one example of what I would consider a heinous crime. No way could you extrapolate that to mean "two teenagers banging".

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Did I say that was a heinous crime? I gave one example of what I would consider a heinous crime. No way could you extrapolate that to mean "two teenagers banging".

Well then that's all I'm saying. I know of two cases where kids were burned by doctors because they DID THE RIGHT THING in sending their girlfriends to get prenatal care. One of them lost an academic scholarship over the conviction.

And for the record, I don't think doctors should call the cops for gunshots or stab wounds either, unless the victim is unconscious or requests it. Oppressive law enforcement is still big government.

 

[ark steel]

And for the record, I don't think doctors should call the cops for gunshots or stab wounds either, unless the victim is unconscious or requests it. Oppressive law enforcement is still big government.

I'm a little torn over it. I can imagine the patient, having shot themselves by accident, where the cops shouldn't be called. Stab wounds seem a little less likely to be self-inflicted, though.

I have actually seen an abused spouse, specifically state that injuries (although not gun related) were not caused by an abusive spouse. So, while a patient might request the doctors not to call, I can understand why they might do so, anyway, if they believe a crime has been committed. If given the option, I'd bet they would do it just to avoid any additional liability.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

I'm a little torn over it. I can imagine the patient, having shot themselves by accident, where the cops shouldn't be called. Stab wounds seem a little less likely to be self-inflicted, though.

I have actually seen an abused spouse, specifically state that injuries (although not gun related) were not caused by an abusive spouse. So, while a patient might request the doctors not to call, I can understand why they might do so, anyway, if they believe a crime has been committed. If given the option, I'd bet they would do it just to avoid any additional liability.

Your kid accidentally hits you with lawn dart. It looks an awful lot like a stab wound. You want the cops all up in your **** over it? CPS likes to kidnap children in situations like that.

Doctors need to stick to medicine.

 

[oneforthebus]

TheBus said teens aren't charged with Stat Rape of other teens. I showed that they are.

And since when did two teenagers banging become a "heinous crime"? What planet do you live on?

No, I said 14 year olds don't get charged with statutory rape of 16 year olds.

I know of two cases where kids were burned by doctors because they DID THE RIGHT THING in sending their girlfriends to get prenatal care. One of them lost an academic scholarship over the conviction.

Impregnating a 14 year old is not "doing the right thing", no matter how old you are.

 

[ark steel]

Your kid accidentally hits you with lawn dart. It looks an awful lot like a stab wound. You want the cops all up in your **** over it? CPS likes to kidnap children in situations like that.

Doctors need to stick to medicine.

So, you have the lawn dart at the hospital with you. You and your kid both have the same story and a bloody lawn dart. Doctor probably doesn't do anything. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Even if the cops come, CPS ain't going to show up for this. If the lawn dart is stuck in the kid's chest, through some ribs and the kid has other bruises, I bet the Dr. calls the police AND CPS shows up. I'd hope they do. I can guarantee you, there are many times in my childhood it would have been nice to have the cops show up.

You can sit and take things to an extreme all day long. This extreme you have alleged does not mean the overall process is wrong.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

It's also plausible that these questions will go deeper- such as :Have you ever been treated for depression?

Patient answers yes, and it gets back to gov't....who then in turn states that he/she has failed the background check.

Patient answers no, (even though they have), and gov't finds out anyway, and the background check fails.

It's a scary time we live in folks....very very scary.

 

[Coach]

It's also plausible that these questions will go deeper- such as :Have you ever been treated for depression?

Patient answers yes, and it gets back to gov't....who then in turn states that he/she has failed the background check.

Patient answers no, (even though they have), and gov't finds out anyway, and the background check fails.

It's a scary time we live in folks....very very scary.

You're right. Women especially should be very concerned as 1 in 4 are on depression medication even though data will show you most shooters who go crazy were men.

If Obama were genuine, he'd have a sit-down and address all questions and clearly spell this out in his executive order. The fact that he won't is telling.

Remember in Obama care, you can't always keep your doctor.

 

[oneforthebus]

It's also plausible that these questions will go deeper- such as :Have you ever been treated for depression?

Patient answers yes, and it gets back to gov't....who then in turn states that he/she has failed the background check.

Patient answers no, (even though they have), and gov't finds out anyway, and the background check fails.

It's a scary time we live in folks....very very scary.

Yeah, this is the problem I have always had with this...what qualifies as mentally ill? Autism? ADHD? Anxiety? OCD? Depression? PMS? Who decides? It's a broad swath of people who could be denied their right to bear arms, most of whom are at no bigger risk of killing someone else than anyone else is.

Not to mention that many of these shooters acquire their guns through friends or relatives anyway, making such a regulation completely useless.

 

[ark steel]

Yeah, this is the problem I have always had with this...what qualifies as mentally ill? Autism? ADHD? Anxiety? OCD? Depression? PMS? Who decides? It's a broad swath of people who could be denied their right to bear arms, most of whom are at no bigger risk of killing someone else than anyone else is.

Racists are mentally ill. If you disagree with The Big O, the ONLY possible reason for doing so is that you are a racist. Ergo, you get no gun. (replace "racist" with "Misogynist" for when Hillary is The Pres)