To all the Tomin haters

[papillon]

Fourth and inches. I have no problem going for it honestly. I would of ran out of our usually formations. They jumbo'd it up and ran a slow developing play and the Ravens blew it up. Spread them out and QB sneak it. Or run it. Or pass it, but have them spread out. I think they worry about forcing their will on the opponent in that situation to much. Do what we do best. Spread those ******* out. Oh well.

They try running the ball in a fashion that they are not prepared for and that is as if Bettis is still on the team (at least in short distance situations, 3 yards or less). This version of the Steeler offense should never try to set up the pass by running the ball, they should set up the run by passing the ball. Even though Williams was gashing them early I wasn't crazy about the plan of running to set up the pass. As a matter of fact they were running to set up "the run" they didn't even run a play action pass on the first drive if I recall correctly.

Pappy

 

[SteelChip]

After that debacle, I'm starting to lean toward the anti-Tomlin clan. I know this will piss off my buddy Berm, Tomlin being from Bermuda and all but this game day brain freeze is getting old. Couple the questionable decisions on the field with the questionable talent level he puts out there on that field and one begins to wonder what the Rooney's saw in this guy that made them think he could be successful over the 'long haul'.

 

[Sarge]

Marty Schottenheimer was fired after a 14-2 season. Just saying.

But hey, our string of non-losing, non-playoff winning mediocrity is still on track to remain in tact. I think Tomlin deserves an extension.

 

[antdrewjosh]

So this is what it has come too. We are bitching because the offense came out running. Even though they ran right down the field picking up huge chunks at a time. We are calling that a coaching failure?? Because we didn't come out and force the pass and took chunks in the run game??

At this point I'm interested in letting the guy go just to see what people will say about the next guy. If he will be held to some of the same stupid standards I read on here. Cause I know for a fact the previous coach didn't get the nonsense I read here now. The players recieved it. Kordell sucks, O'Donnell sucks... I don't remember the coach is Dumbass when Dwayne Washington was roaming the secondary. Scott Shields anyone.

Now everything is coaching related. We don't score or give up a score on an opponents first drive the team wasn't prepared. Everything on the line and we are looking at the coach and saying he didn't have them mentally up for the game. Like they didn't know what was at stake. Drop a pass coaching. Throw a pick coaching. Miss a tackle coaching. Tomlin is not perfect. He is sometimes too aggressive (feel free to add on). The anti Cowher who was super conservative. He has warts like every other coach. But some of the **** he gets around here is too much only in the sense that I read this board religiously and I never seen the things contributed to coaching that I do now.

For example the Chargers lost in 94 and the Patriots lost in 01. Two of the biggest upsets in our history and I never not once read on this board about how flat or unprepared we were, out coached or anything of that nature. When those were the most prime examples of a team being flat, or thinking they could show up cause they were better in the history of the team. Maybe never or not once is too strong but it definitely wasn't all over the board like now. Now the Steelers start out slow "unprepared". Well tell me how do you get around your star player, your franchise QB ******** the bed? Can't even say run the ball more cause there has already been criticism of running the ball too much to start the game.

I don't defend he guy because I feel he is some genius.. I defend him the majority of the time cause I feel he is held to a different, higher standard of coaching then previous. Fire him already cause I'm truly interested in seeing how the next guy is looked at.

 

[Spike]

They try running the ball in a fashion that they are not prepared for and that is as if Bettis is still on the team (at least in short distance situations, 3 yards or less). This version of the Steeler offense should never try to set up the pass by running the ball, they should set up the run by passing the ball.

I agree

The arrogance of coming out and saying 'we are just going to run the ball down your throats because we are so much tougher than you' is a losing strategy. They never learn ... "just show up on the field and they will lay down and die for you". Don't bother starting out 5 wide and blowing them out early....let's just run the ball and pretend our defense can stop them. Arrogance.

Ben is not above listening to it either - one INT had Heath wide open for 7 yds right in front of his face, but no, no patience here, I'll just throw it late over the middle.

We are so much better than them! Arrogance, chest thumping.....Tomlin's arrogance does it every year

EVERY ******* YEAR!

 

[papillon]

I didn't have issue with going for it on fourth. The play call sucked in my opinion.

Yea, particularly when the first time around and having a 4th down to win the game Haley put the ball in Michael Vick's hands, but yesterday he saw fit to run DW into the heart of the Ravens defense Mosely and Brandon Williams.

Papillon

 

[Supersteeler]

Am I confused or did Deangelo Williams not start the game with 6 rushes for 60 yards? One of the main bitching points seems to be that Tomlin and Haley called too many run plays to start the game? 10 yards a carry? The announcers plainly said on the first drive that the Ravens were playing both safeties deep and guarding against the passing game specifically which was leaving the run game wide open. I'm not sure I understand the nature of that particular complaint.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I don't think anyone should ***** because they came out running successfully. I think they should ***** because they came away with nothing and played the game on the Ravens terms. I think they should ***** because they let a scrub off the street QB control the clock by lining up in base and doing nothing to confuse him or make him make quick decisions. If people can't see that I don't know what to say. They had no receivers. Lock em down the same way they did against the good receivers of the Broncos the second half of last week and keep em tight in the box stopping the run on the way to the qb. The ****** blueprint was there from the week before. But **** for brains didn't follow. Why? Ask that piece of trash.

 

[Spike]

I don't think anyone should ***** because they came out running successfully. I think they should ***** because they came away with nothing and played the game on the Ravens terms

The last thing you want to do is slow the game down and give your opponent hope. That's exactly what they did by coming away with no points.

"Ooo we'll just run smashmouth all day! Ooooo...we are so tough!"...played right into their hands by killing the whole 1st qtr

Did you hear Coach Chest Thumpers comments after the game? "We learned a painful lesson"

How many ******* years in a row do we have to learn this "painful lesson"?

EVERY ******* YEAR!

 

[DBS1970]

Am I confused or did Deangelo Williams not start the game with 6 rushes for 60 yards? One of the main bitching points seems to be that Tomlin and Haley called too many run plays to start the game? 10 yards a carry? The announcers plainly said on the first drive that the Ravens were playing both safeties deep and guarding against the passing game specifically which was leaving the run game wide open. I'm not sure I understand the nature of that particular complaint.

If the strategy was to rack up yards without any points to show for it that was great. My concern was we didn't mix in the pass and put points on the board.

 

[papillon]

So this is what it has come too. We are bitching because the offense came out running. Even though they ran right down the field picking up huge chunks at a time. We are calling that a coaching failure?? Because we didn't come out and force the pass and took chunks in the run game??

At this point I'm interested in letting the guy go just to see what people will say about the next guy. If he will be held to some of the same stupid standards I read on here. Cause I know for a fact the previous coach didn't get the nonsense I read here now. The players recieved it. Kordell sucks, O'Donnell sucks... I don't remember the coach is Dumbass when Dwayne Washington was roaming the secondary. Scott Shields anyone.

Now everything is coaching related. We don't score or give up a score on an opponents first drive the team wasn't prepared. Everything on the line and we are looking at the coach and saying he didn't have them mentally up for the game. Like they didn't know what was at stake. Drop a pass coaching. Throw a pick coaching. Miss a tackle coaching. Tomlin is not perfect. He is sometimes too aggressive (feel free to add on). The anti Cowher who was super conservative. He has warts like every other coach. But some of the **** he gets around here is too much only in the sense that I read this board religiously and I never seen the things contributed to coaching that I do now.

For example the Chargers lost in 94 and the Patriots lost in 01. Two of the biggest upsets in our history and I never not once read on this board about how flat or unprepared we were, out coached or anything of that nature. When those were the most prime examples of a team being flat, or thinking they could show up cause they were better in the history of the team. Maybe never or not once is too strong but it definitely wasn't all over the board like now. Now the Steelers start out slow "unprepared". Well tell me how do you get around your star player, your franchise QB ******** the bed? Can't even say run the ball more cause there has already been criticism of running the ball too much to start the game.

I don't defend he guy because I feel he is some genius.. I defend him the majority of the time cause I feel he is held to a different, higher standard of coaching then previous. Fire him already cause I'm truly interested in seeing how the next guy is looked at.

Yup, the run game was gashing them, but the Steelers aren't built to run that offense (IMO) even if it appears to be working, because all it takes is one play by the defense and the drive may stall, couple that with the fact that the Steelers (regardless of some recent success) aren't very good at converting in the RZ. There was no reason to try and fool Baltimore yesterday that team is depleted on offense and defense. The Steelers should have gone to their strength (IMO) which is throwing the ball. On the first drive I would swapped the passing and rushing attempts, but that's me and I just sit on my couch and watch and I don't pretend to be a GM, NFL coach or ex-player.

The Steelers out tricked themselves in my opinion. Me personally, as Mike Tomlin said last week before the Broncos game, "But, I have YOU" referring to Ben, he should have used him to try and put this game away early. Just my opinion.

Papillon

 

[Spike]

Just like I perdicted


Tomlin’s overconfidence costs Steelers in loss to Baltimore

Nameless, gray faces.

That is the term Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin likes to use when talking about his upcoming opponent. In his mind, it is a way of eliminating distractions and it helps his team focus primarily on their play. As a result, we’ve heard Tomlin use this phrase hundreds of times during his tenure as the Steelers’ head coach.

On Sunday though, it cost him.

The Steelers went into Baltimore this week looking to cement their position in the playoffs with an easy victory over their rival, who are down on their luck. The Ravens had lost their last three games by a combined score of 82-35 and started a quarterback who just joined the team 10 days ago. So, naturally, the Steelers were a 10-point favorite, despite being on the road.

Unfortunately for Pittsburgh though, it wasn’t the easy game everyone expected. The Steelers struggled to get going on offense and ended up losing the game 20-17. The loss puts the Steelers on the outside looking in for the playoffs with just one-week left to play. They’ll need to win their last game against the Browns next week and they’ll need the Jets to lose in Buffalo.

But it shouldn’t have been this way. The Steelers should have rolled over the Ravens as everyone expected. Honestly, they would have if it weren’t for a questionable first quarter decision by Tomlin.

To start the game, Pittsburgh got the football first and immediately started to dominate with the running game. They marched down the field, but were eventually faced with a relatively short fourth down on the Ravens’ 25-yard line.

At this point, Tomlin could have easily sent his kicker out and given the Steelers an early lead. Although Pittsburgh had their problems with kickers early in the season, Chris Boswell has quickly become one of the more reliable kickers in the NFL for the Steelers. He’s made 26 out of the 28 kicks he has attempted, which is good for the sixth best percentage in the NFL.

But instead of taking the three points, Tomlin left his offense on the field and attempted to get the first down. Pittsburgh ran the ball with DeAngelo Williams, but he was held up short and the Steelers came away from the first drive empty handed.

Now I understand the logic behind this decision. The Steelers were running the ball very efficiently and it didn’t seem like Baltimore could stop them. There was really no reason to think they wouldn’t get the one-yard.

The problem is the Ravens gained a lot of confidence by stopping Pittsburgh. It was confidence they hadn’t felt it quite some time. It gave them momentum for the first time in weeks and it drastically changed the game. No longer was it a game between a 9-5 team and a 4-10 team. It was now a rivalry game.

And that was exactly what Pittsburgh didn’t want to happen. The three points would have kept the Ravens’ confidence down and risking that was not worth the risk. It certainly wasn’t in this case, as Pittsburgh ended up losing by, oddly enough, three points.

Hopefully the decision doesn’t cost the Steelers a playoff spot.

http://www.todayspigskin.com/afc-to...nfidence-costs-steelers-in-loss-to-baltimore/

 

[LeXX75]

Am I confused or did Deangelo Williams not start the game with 6 rushes for 60 yards? One of the main bitching points seems to be that Tomlin and Haley called too many run plays to start the game? 10 yards a carry? The announcers plainly said on the first drive that the Ravens were playing both safeties deep and guarding against the passing game specifically which was leaving the run game wide open. I'm not sure I understand the nature of that particular complaint.

the nature of the complaint is...we came out and let the Ravens decide what we wanted to do ...not decide on our own..that is done often by lesser teams to keep the game close really good teams play their game and still make the lesser team adjust to them...what we do best is throw the ball to those 3 WR's and Heath...its what got us where we were..on the verge of the playoffs..by playing the way the Ravens wanted us to play we face planted against a much weaker team..division rival or not..you cannot let other teams dictate to you when you have the better talent

 

[SteelerSask2]

As I remember the first drive they powered down the field with the Ravens spread out. A couple of the runs were probably correct audibles against the front. Then out of the blue the stuck Tousant in and he had an ok gain, got stopped they threw short of the sticks on a three tight end set. And then ran Williams to get stuffed on fourth down.

 

[antdrewjosh]

As a certain coach who used to coach this team used to say if you can't get one yard when you need it do you deserve to win?? One yard????

 

[LeXX75]

As I remember the first drive they powered down the field with the Ravens spread out. A couple of the runs were probably correct audibles against the front. Then out of the blue the stuck Tousant in and he had an ok gain, got stopped they threw short of the sticks on a three tight end set. And then ran Williams to get stuffed on fourth down.

I think old man Will needed a break..thats why Fitz T came in

 

[antdrewjosh]

As I remember the first drive they powered down the field with the Ravens spread out. A couple of the runs were probably correct audibles against the front. Then out of the blue the stuck Tousant in and he had an ok gain, got stopped they threw short of the sticks on a three tight end set. And then ran Williams to get stuffed on fourth down.

I

Williams took himself out the game after his long run..he signalled to the sideline for the backup to go in. See how everything is tried to be blamed on coaching.

 

[SteelerSask2]

So call plays that don't involve a guy who has what 10 carries on the season. Zap them with your TE or 1600 wide receiver. But don't let yourself get caught in should I kick or gamble here. Take the game to them.

 

[Buster]

As a certain coach who used to coach this team used to say if you can't get one yard when you need it do you deserve to win?? One yard????

We didn't need one yard at that point in the game...we needed to kick a field goal.

 

[antdrewjosh]

No we didn't the score was 0-0 we didn't need to kick a FG. We could have kicked a FG. We didn't. We went for it. Probably because up to that point we were ripping them.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Let me tell you something Andrew. I would not want to be a team like the Raiders or Cleveland that changes their coach like gotch. But I also don't want to be the Bengals who play the same record over and over and over.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Both of these literally made me squawk loudly!!!

Hmmmm...

again? Constantly skwaking and playing race card . its not about race its about being a shity coach with a franchise qbandnot winning a play off game to too long leave his color out if it.he's a poor coach,

 

[mdk2]

again? Constantly skwaking and playing race card . its not about race its about being a shity coach with a franchise qbandnot winning a play off game to too long leave his color out if it.he's a poor coach,

No accountability for Ben? Did Tomlin tell him to make those atrocious passes yesterday?

 

[Hines field]

We were ripping them with 2 deep safeties. The last 2 runs we didn't gash them. That's why it was 3rd and 5. Take the points and the next series they are not 2 deep and we can open up the passing game. completely agree we let the Ravens dictate what we did instead of the other way around

 

[Punxsutawney]

As I remember the first drive they powered down the field with the Ravens spread out. A couple of the runs were probably correct audibles against the front. Then out of the blue the stuck Tousant in and he had an ok gain, got stopped they threw short of the sticks on a three tight end set. And then ran Williams to get stuffed on fourth down.

That sequence of plays pretty much encapsulates the issues with the early offensive game plan.

Handing the ball off to some dude named Tousant on consecutive plays, followed by a 3 TE set on 3rd and 5 or so? Is that remotely reflective of the identity of this year's offense?

And to top it off, they do not deploy a lead blocker on a 4th and inches play where the Ravens are selling out against the run?

They allowed the Ravens to dictate their play calling to them, and proceeded to allow the Ravens offense to go a long, time-consuming TD drive where the Steelers offense was standing on the sideline for about 20 minutes real time.


That game, if not lost, was no doubt put in jeopardy in the first quarter. The Ravens prevented the Steelers from establishing any sort of rhythm in he passing game by both enticing them to run and ball and keeping them off the field.