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We're at 8 wins. You know what that means????

bermudasteel said:
Why? Because they're both black? Enlightened me with your explanation.
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OK, I'll "enlightened" you: Dennis Green started out without a losing record for his first nine years and was 92-52. Then his final four years, he was 21-42, and was never able to find another head coaching job. Contrarily, Madden and Shula are in the Hall of Fame.

So what happened to Dennis Green? Did he suddenly forget how to coach overnight? I'm sure there were tons of people like you who were enamored with his wonderful coaching mark (which is eerily similar to Tomlin's at this point in their careers, btw) in 2000. Why did he go from having a great won-loss record to becoming a perennial loser?

My opinion is Green stepped into a good situation in Minnesota at the time, was adequate enough to be successful for a while, then showed his true colors (pardon the pun) later in his career. Which is exactly the same way I feel about Mike Tomlin. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin.

Understand?
 
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Steelz said:
You can thank my phone's spell check for that one. And although I could go the route of the fact that your opinion is well.. Just what it is, just a matter of opinion because there has been times before this year that Ben has played worse at times than those mentioned, you probably forgot all the years of "holding on to the ball too long" "not able to read a defense", there was a time not too long ago where people thought Landry Jones was in line to take Ben's job. But neither of that is even the point. The point is, you can still Have a pro bowl QB, a super bowl winning mvp QB, a future HoF QB... And still have losing seasons. The fact Tomlin hasn't had one is pretty remarkable considering all the bad years Ben didn't play well. But I still don't care to say the same things over and over for 100+ pages so, it is what it is. Opinions is Opinions.
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There's not a single person here who thought Landry Jones was going to take Ben's job. Ever. That is complete bullshit.
 
Litos said:
not a tomlin apologist but all has to be compared in context, before QBs weren't soooo important as now that rules make it a pass happy league. Also they had other strengths that this team doesn't have (Defense, Oline).

Tomlin has kept this boat afloat through a lot of injuries, many other teams would already be out of the playoff hunt and I'm saying this even though I didn't like the extension that he got cause I think he hadn't earned it at the moment (give me playoffs wins and I'll give you a new contract)
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I have to take exception to the assertion that the O line isn't a strength of this year's team.. It absolutely is
 
Good for Tomlin, I have my doubts on his getting a team ready but this kind of wipes that away. Lets win out and go to the playoffs then we can really pat Tomlin on the back. Three big games to get ready for.
 
topseed said:
OK, I'll "enlightened" you: Dennis Green started out without a losing record for his first nine years and was 92-52. Then his final four years, he was 21-42, and was never able to find another head coaching job. Contrarily, Madden and Shula are in the Hall of Fame.

So what happened to Dennis Green? Did he suddenly forget how to coach overnight? I'm sure there were tons of people like you who were enamored with his wonderful coaching mark (which is eerily similar to Tomlin's at this point in their careers, btw) in 2000. Why did he go from having a great won-loss record to becoming a perennial loser?

My opinion is Green stepped into a good situation in Minnesota at the time, was adequate enough to be successful for a while, then showed his true colors (pardon the pun) later in his career. Which is exactly the same way I feel about Mike Tomlin. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin.

Understand?
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The problem was Dennis fell into the "can't win in the playoffs" argument year after year and was forced out of Minnesota with his first bad season. Then he goes to the shithole known as Arizona to coach the cardinals. This was before they got smart and started pilfering our talent. Now they're successful, back then, not so much.

Dennis Green had winning records platooning QBs his first 2 years before getting Moon, and then Cunningham, and then Culpepper. They were locked into Culpepper as the franchise, then he blows out his knee and tank that season. Green is under rated because of his 'crown em' interview, but he was successful with **** and built a competitive program in the frozen north.
 
AggieSteel said:
I have to take exception to the assertion that the O line isn't a strength of this year's team.. It absolutely is
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Well I was referring to the whole tomlin tenure . There's no doubt about it , the oline has been horrible even during both SB appearances seasons. It took some time but now it is a strength
 
topseed said:
OK, I'll "enlightened" you: Dennis Green started out without a losing record for his first nine years and was 92-52. Then his final four years, he was 21-42, and was never able to find another head coaching job. Contrarily, Madden and Shula are in the Hall of Fame.

So what happened to Dennis Green? Did he suddenly forget how to coach overnight? I'm sure there were tons of people like you who were enamored with his wonderful coaching mark (which is eerily similar to Tomlin's at this point in their careers, btw) in 2000. Why did he go from having a great won-loss record to becoming a perennial loser?

My opinion is Green stepped into a good situation in Minnesota at the time, was adequate enough to be successful for a while, then showed his true colors (pardon the pun) later in his career. Which is exactly the same way I feel about Mike Tomlin. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin.

Understand?
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I still don't see how you compare Coach Tomlin to Coach Green; but, eh, I guess that what someone pays you for???

topseed said:
Correct. I know how impressed you are with 8-8, so this must really knock your socks off.
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Impression is the wrong word. Some here, myself included, defend the statement that "Coach Tomlin has never had a losing season" - whether the results be 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 11-5, 12-4, etc... Coach Tomlin hasn't had a losing season...NEVER.
 
Interesting how the recent playoff failures are attributed to Tomlin..........and only Tomlin. And this notion that without Ben he would show his "true colors".

Heres a clue......most coaches struggle mightily without their starting franchise QBs. Mike McCarthy is a perfect example. Whats his record without Rodgers ? Its like 4-7-1. Most here consider McCarthey a top level coach in the NFL. So whats his ******* problem winning at least a .500 clip of his games minus his starting QB ?
 
blitzburghv5 said:
Interesting how the recent playoff failures are attributed to Tomlin..........and only Tomlin. And this notion that without Ben he would show his "true colors".

Heres a clue......most coaches struggle mightily without their starting franchise QBs. Mike McCarthy is a perfect example. Whats his record without Rodgers ? Its like 4-7-1. Most here consider McCarthey a top level coach in the NFL. So whats his ******* problem winning at least a .500 clip of his games minus his starting QB ?
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Nearly all of the losses without Ben have come against the Ravens and it seems like they were all games that came down to the wire, decided by a late field goal. If Ben didn't ALWAYS get injured the week before we play the Ravens, the record would look better. But it's still damn impressive when you remember: Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon, Leftwich, Vick. Winning games with "that" at QB is incredibly difficult.
 
Coach said:
Ben is the team. With better coaching in the Ravens and Seahawks game, we have 9 or 10 wins right now!

Tomlin has not won a playoff game since January 1 2012. That's way too long
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2012?

Steelers lost to tebow that playoff game :(
 
slashsteel said:
Tomlin here....I am here to acknowledge my coaching is obviously above the line. Obviously my pedigree speaks for itself. I don't live in my fears, I take calculated risks associated with victory, obviously.

Steel sharpening Steel if you will.

Splash plays obviously we will need more of them. We accept that in our war of attrition. The standard is the standard men, as we have a capable group of guys.

Yeah we set the bar high around here and I embrace that. It is time to unleash hell in December. If one man goes down we don't have backups, we have starters in waiting.

Quite frankly when it comes to wins we will throw style points out the window, Obviously I have the players crawl around on the field during practice, as we will defend every blade of grass!

.....as there is a fine line between drinking wine and squashing grapes.

Moving forward we have had to give Blake less playing time, as he hasn't been playing above the neck football, obviously. We've been dead Indians in his cowboy movie before, but I will just keep going to the mattresses until the job is done.

questions?
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^^^
This never gets old
 
Cope said:
The problem was Dennis fell into the "can't win in the playoffs" argument year after year and was forced out of Minnesota with his first bad season. Then he goes to the shithole known as Arizona to coach the cardinals. This was before they got smart and started pilfering our talent. Now they're successful, back then, not so much.

Dennis Green had winning records platooning QBs his first 2 years before getting Moon, and then Cunningham, and then Culpepper. They were locked into Culpepper as the franchise, then he blows out his knee and tank that season. Green is under rated because of his 'crown em' interview, but he was successful with **** and built a competitive program in the frozen north.
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There's a guy a lot closer to home who is in danger of falling into the "can't win in the playoffs anymore" argument pretty soon, if he doesn't start winning some postseason games again.
 
bermudasteel said:
I still don't see how you compare Coach Tomlin to Coach Green; but, eh, I guess that what someone pays you for???
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That's strange, I explained it so clearly, a child could understand. Sorry you can't. The parallels are clear. Some might disagree, but surely they can see it. Maybe it makes you feel better to try and say my opinion is based on only the fact that they're both black, because you're black too. Whatever, fella.

bermudasteel said:
Impression is the wrong word. Some here, myself included, defend the statement that "Coach Tomlin has never had a losing season" - whether the results be 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 11-5, 12-4, etc... Coach Tomlin hasn't had a losing season...NEVER.
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Forgive me. You appear to be impressed by a .500 record, since you tend to applaud that statement at every turn.

Hopefully, Coach Tomlin will prove me wrong, never ever lose more than eight games, win five more Super Bowls, and make you look like a genius.
 
Vader said:
Not sure anyone would blame Bilicheat for not starting a 6th round draft pick in his rookie year. I'm hoping that Buff just missed the year.
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Yet he went into the season with a 6th round draft pick as his back up. Go figure.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
Interesting how the recent playoff failures are attributed to Tomlin..........and only Tomlin. And this notion that without Ben he would show his "true colors".

Heres a clue......most coaches struggle mightily without their starting franchise QBs. Mike McCarthy is a perfect example. Whats his record without Rodgers ? Its like 4-7-1. Most here consider McCarthey a top level coach in the NFL. So whats his ******* problem winning at least a .500 clip of his games minus his starting QB ?
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I think before Rodgers started they had a guy named Farve.
 
topseed said:
There's a guy a lot closer to home who is in danger of falling into the "can't win in the playoffs anymore" argument pretty soon, if he doesn't start winning some postseason games again.
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Tough to be in that discussion with 2 sb appearances and a sb win.
 
Cope said:
Tough to be in that discussion with 2 sb appearances and a sb win.
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Which might be the reason Bermuda raised the question. Tomlin has been to two super bowls and Dennis Green never had that type of success. So when comparing don't you have to find another coach who has been to super bowls??
 
antdrewjosh said:
Which might be the reason Bermuda raised the question. Tomlin has been to two super bowls and Dennis Green never had that type of success. So when comparing don't you have to find another coach who has been to super bowls??
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Depends on what your motivation is.

"Fans, Steelers, Ownership, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Tomlin, not to praise him.
The losses that men incur lives after them;
The wins are oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Tomlin."
 
topseed said:
There's a guy a lot closer to home who is in danger of falling into the "can't win in the playoffs anymore" argument pretty soon, if he doesn't start winning some postseason games again.
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Well again, WHO is his ****** quarterback ?....What role does Ben play in those playoff losses....if Mike hasn't won in 5 seasons it's even more apparent BEN ain't won in 5 seasons either....When the talk of playoff ineptitude comes up in Cincy, it's always Daltons name that comes up....when Dan couldn't win a title in Miami, did the fan base or media dog Shula ? But when in The Burgh, if we don't win, it falls on The coach......
 
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