San Bernandino, CA - Shootings

[Elfiero]

As far as I know this action is completely unprecedented. It's also completely outrageous. I watched as the "open house" happened and was appalled! Absolutely an attempt to screw up the investigation and the prosecution of any connected co-conspirators. That's some shameful ****.



Is that the man? No? You mean to tell me some loser flew all the way to the ME to bring that back? No wonder they like sheep.



From Spike's article at the Daily Caller............. “Ninety-nine-point-five percent of scientists in the world say this is a really urgent problem,” Obama says. “Political parties around the world. The only people who are still disputing it are either some Republicans in Congress or — folks on the campaign trail.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/04/obama-global-warming-causes-dangerous-ideologies/#ixzz3tSHA4R2u

Where the fug did THAT stat come from?

The scientific consensus on AGW is 97.2%

The certainty that the current climate change occurring is caused by humans is 99.5%

He got his numbers crossed.

 

[oneforthebus]

The scientific consensus on AGW is 97.2%

The certainty that the current climate change occurring is caused by humans is 99.5%

He got his numbers crossed.

Those tired old stats have been factually refuted time and time again but keep on spewing them.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Those tired old stats have been factually refuted time and time again but keep on spewing them.

 

[jitter77]

I think global warming is real to an extent. All the stuff we pump into the atmosphere can not be good. However the total gloom and doom of global warming are blown out of proportion. Whatever we do is just a very tiny drop in the bucket compared to the forces of mother nature. I think we need to treat the planet better for our future generations, but to say global warming is the #1 problem and link it with terrorism is ridiculous.

When I was in college I did my thesis on the effects of mine drainage on tadpoles. I would check their teeth for deformities. If any of you have been near St Vincent they built wetlands to help filter out the water flowing into the Loyalhannah. I think each wetland had 6 cells. I collected tadpoles from each cell, a group from keystone st park, and my control was just store bought water. The group that had the most problems was the store bought water and there was virtually no difference in the other groups. My thinking was that the store bought water did not have enough minerals / nutrients to facilitate their growth.

 

[Rod Farva]

The scientific consensus on AGW is 97.2%

The certainty that the current climate change occurring is caused by humans is 99.5%

I think global warming is real to an extent. All the stuff we pump into the atmosphere can not be good. However the total gloom and doom of global warming are blown out of proportion. Whatever we do is just a very tiny drop in the bucket compared to the forces of mother nature. I think we need to treat the planet better for our future generations, but to say global warming is the #1 problem and link it with terrorism is ridiculous.

When I was in college I did my thesis on the effects of mine drainage on tadpoles. I would check their teeth for deformities. If any of you have been near St Vincent they built wetlands to help filter out the water flowing into the Loyalhannah. I think each wetland had 6 cells. I collected tadpoles from each cell, a group from keystone st park, and my control was just store bought water. The group that had the most problems was the store bought water and there was virtually no difference in the other groups. My thinking was that the store bought water did not have enough minerals / nutrients to facilitate their growth.

That's some interesting ****......who knew tadpoles had teeth?

 

[deljzc]

I think global warming is real to an extent. All the stuff we pump into the atmosphere can not be good. However the total gloom and doom of global warming are blown out of proportion. Whatever we do is just a very tiny drop in the bucket compared to the forces of mother nature. I think we need to treat the planet better for our future generations, but to say global warming is the #1 problem and link it with terrorism is ridiculous.

When I was in college I did my thesis on the effects of mine drainage on tadpoles. I would check their teeth for deformities. If any of you have been near St Vincent they built wetlands to help filter out the water flowing into the Loyalhannah. I think each wetland had 6 cells. I collected tadpoles from each cell, a group from keystone st park, and my control was just store bought water. The group that had the most problems was the store bought water and there was virtually no difference in the other groups. My thinking was that the store bought water did not have enough minerals / nutrients to facilitate their growth.

It's related because of food production and migration.

I'm not going to argue man-made causes of climate change with you FOX NEWS people, but most here agree change IS happening. More droughts. More wild fires. More/bigger storm events. Sea levels changing.

The thing about food production and world hunger has always been a liberal political issue. For my entire life I was bombarded with "Feed Africa" commercials. I've never bought into it because sending food to a generation of Africans just produces more Africans in the next generation and the food issue is still there. There are WAY too many people in areas that don't have the agricultural ability to support it. And decades of aid from US/Europe/Soviet Union/China/Asia didn't help anything.

Climate change has further stressed arid regions around the world: Sub-saharan Africa and the Middle East in their ability to produce food (which just happen to also be Muslim hot-beds). Add to that a change in foreign policy from the cold war (where US and Russia propped up dictatorships around the world in a pseudo-colonization type battle of capitalism/communism) to a more hands-off style of foreign policy (primarily promoted by Bill Clinton). Civil war soon followed in many regions and that stressed food production as well.

When you combine all these things: climate change, overpopulation in arid/uninhabitable places, change in foreign policy and civil war, you create a huge void where violent thoughts and philosophies can prosper. And I agree 100% Islam is easier to use for this than anything else. Certainly more than nationalism/fascism, communism/marxism or even dictatorships.

I don't have a good answer to it all. It's complex and likely much more than just a Muslim/Islamic issue (though I agree that's part of it).

 

[Shane Falco]

It's related because of food production and migration.

I'm not going to argue man-made causes of climate change with you FOX NEWS people, but most here agree change IS happening. More droughts. More wild fires. More/bigger storm events. Sea levels changing.

The thing about food production and world hunger has always been a liberal political issue. For my entire life I was bombarded with "Feed Africa" commercials. I've never bought into it because sending food to a generation of Africans just produces more Africans in the next generation and the food issue is still there. There are WAY too many people in areas that don't have the agricultural ability to support it. And decades of aid from US/Europe/Soviet Union/China/Asia didn't help anything.

Climate change has further stressed arid regions around the world: Sub-saharan Africa and the Middle East in their ability to produce food (which just happen to also be Muslim hot-beds). Add to that a change in foreign policy from the cold war (where US and Russia propped up dictatorships around the world in a pseudo-colonization type battle of capitalism/communism) to a more hands-off style of foreign policy (primarily promoted by Bill Clinton). Civil war soon followed in many regions and that stressed food production as well.

When you combine all these things: climate change, overpopulation in arid/uninhabitable places, change in foreign policy and civil war, you create a huge void where violent thoughts and philosophies can prosper. And I agree 100% Islam is easier to use for this than anything else. Certainly more than nationalism/fascism, communism/marxism or even dictatorships.

I don't have a good answer to it all. It's complex and likely much more than just a Muslim/Islamic issue (though I agree that's part of it).

This 'global warming' could just simply be a polar shift. Nothing man made, just the Earth still doing it's thing and there's not a thing we can do about it except make the best of what we got. This isn't any Fox News jargon, this is just understanding that the earth continuously evolves and maybe she's just bored and wants to rearrange her climates.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

 

[Hypocycloids]

I'm not going to argue man-made causes of climate change with you FOX NEWS people, but most here agree change IS happening. More droughts. More wild fires. More/bigger storm events. Sea levels changing.
.

You Chris Mathews people shouldn't be arguing with anybody.

Really? The droughts, wild fires, sea level, storms, blah blah blah, all as the result of a scant 120 ppm of Co2 emissions discharged into the atmosphere by man since the beginning of the industrial evolution some 120yrs ago?

Did you know that there is no scientific data that exists that would determine the earths future if all man made emissions would stop today?

It isn't about saving the planet you liberal simpletons, its about the global redistribution of wealth.


Read closely the words of UN climate chief Christiana Figueres:

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution"

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S Undersecretary of State for global issues:

“We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”


Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said:

“A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”


In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment Christine Stewart told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald:

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”


In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives:

“The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”


Speaking at the 2000 UN Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France explained why the IPCC’s climate initiative supported a key Western European Kyoto Protocol objective:

“For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established


And IPCC Chair Otto Graham:

Its all about the redistribution of wealth on a global scale. You honestly think Obama cares about the health of the planet? Or your health insurance? How you sheeple so blindly follow your libfuck leaders.

As once said by Obama cohort Rom Emanuel..."Never let a good crisis go to waste".



The energy industry has every right to invest their resources toward squashing this hoax.

 

[Hineswardkickedurpanzyass]

The thing that really bothers me is the number one undisputed cause of Most heat here on earth is the Sun. and no one is doing anything to regulate the people of the sun from creating more dangerous solar flares and limiting sun spots. It's for the children for heavens sake. This year and last had the worst hurricane season ever and although we cannot predict the weather next week we will certainly have oceanfront property in West Virginia in less than 100 years. Every wildfire is because of the pollution that only Americans are responsible for and all of the polar bears are shedding their fur coats at rates never seen before. If something isn't done in the next 225 days all mankind must accept that we will have to grow gills to survive.98.62% of scientists agree with my findings because they were given a grant to hold onto their jobs at NASA which no longer has jack Sh!t to do with space. Look in the mirror American, if you want gills and electric cars then just keep on denying.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It's related because of food production and migration.

I'm not going to argue man-made causes of climate change with you FOX NEWS people, but most here agree change IS happening. More droughts. More wild fires. More/bigger storm events. Sea levels changing.

The thing about food production and world hunger has always been a liberal political issue. For my entire life I was bombarded with "Feed Africa" commercials. I've never bought into it because sending food to a generation of Africans just produces more Africans in the next generation and the food issue is still there. There are WAY too many people in areas that don't have the agricultural ability to support it. And decades of aid from US/Europe/Soviet Union/China/Asia didn't help anything.

Climate change has further stressed arid regions around the world: Sub-saharan Africa and the Middle East in their ability to produce food (which just happen to also be Muslim hot-beds). Add to that a change in foreign policy from the cold war (where US and Russia propped up dictatorships around the world in a pseudo-colonization type battle of capitalism/communism) to a more hands-off style of foreign policy (primarily promoted by Bill Clinton). Civil war soon followed in many regions and that stressed food production as well.

When you combine all these things: climate change, overpopulation in arid/uninhabitable places, change in foreign policy and civil war, you create a huge void where violent thoughts and philosophies can prosper. And I agree 100% Islam is easier to use for this than anything else. Certainly more than nationalism/fascism, communism/marxism or even dictatorships.

I don't have a good answer to it all. It's complex and likely much more than just a Muslim/Islamic issue (though I agree that's part of it).

The Muzzie homeland has always been a desert. If global warming makes the average temperature go up to 115* from 110* I don't think anyone would notice. Since they have lived there for thousands of years one would think they have been able to feed themselves. Just that lately all they do **** and kill each other so the population may have grown at a faster rate than food production.

Audio NSFW NSFK.

 

[Rod Farva]

It's related because of food production and migration.

I'm not going to argue man-made causes of climate change with you FOX NEWS people, Because every argument you try to make gets immediately shot down and destroyed......I get it, why bother?[B]but most here agree change IS happening[/B]....Would you say 97% ? More droughts. More wild fires. More/bigger storm events. Sea levels changing. What? Prove those.....that's not "arguing", it's how one discusses or debates unless one is so dogmatically programmed they stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and loudly sing lalalalala.

The thing about food production and world hunger has always been a liberal political issue. For my entire life I was bombarded with "Feed Africa" commercials. I've never bought into it because sending food to a generation of Africans just produces more Africans in the next generation and the food issue is still there. There's that famous liberal generosity......surfaces every time. There are WAY too many people in areas that don't have the agricultural ability to support it. Agreed. And decades of aid from US/Europe/Soviet Union/China/Asia didn't help anything. Agreed.

So how would you help? Relocation? Let 'em starve? Just ignore them? Come on man, give a solution or means of help, don't just complain about the ineffectiveness of the liberal good intentions that always pave the route to worsening situations.

Climate change has further stressed arid regions around the world: Sub-saharan Africa and the Middle East in their ability to produce food (which just happen to also be Muslim hot-beds). The Sahara will likely be a rain forest again at some point. The Neolithic Subpluvial, or the Holocene Wet Phase, was an extended period (from about 7500–7000 BCE to about 3500–3000 BCE) of wet and rainy conditions in the climate history of northern Africa. It was both preceded and followed by much drier periods.

The Neolithic Subpluvial was the most recent of a number of periods of "Wet Sahara" or "Green Sahara", during which the Sahara region was much more moist and supported a richer biota and human population than the present-day desert.
Add to that a change in foreign policy from the cold war (where US and Russia propped up dictatorships around the world in a pseudo-colonization type battle of capitalism/communism) to a more hands-off style of foreign policy (primarily promoted by Bill Clinton). Civil war soon followed in many regions and that stressed food production as well. Actually, while the US certainly can be implicated it's not just the Big Two evil usupers that have contributed to stressed food production, and communists are much more at fault for this than we. Somalians for instance were traditionally farmers and ranchers......communists came to power there forcibly relocated the majority of the population to coastal areas forcing them to become fishermen. That put additional stress on the food supply because the waters had already been seriously over fished by numerous countries and fish populations had plummeted. This is the biggest reason Somali's now turn to piracy

When you combine all these things: climate change, overpopulation in arid/uninhabitable places, change in foreign policy and civil war, you create a huge void where violent thoughts and philosophies can prosper. And I agree 100% Islam is easier to use for this than anything else. Certainly more than nationalism/fascism, communism/marxism or even dictatorships.

Remove "climate change" from the above statement. What remain are ample enough reasons for "violent thoughts and philosophies" to "prosper."

I don't have a good answer to it all. It's complex and likely much more than just a Muslim/Islamic issue (though I agree that's part of it).

You don't have a good answer to it. I'd go so far as to say you don't even have a good grasp of all the socio/political and ethnic tribal strifes of the continent that are having and have had exponentially greater harmful effect on it.

You Chris Mathews people shouldn't be arguing with anybody.

Really? The droughts, wild fires, sea level, storms, blah blah blah, all as the result of a scant 120 ppm of Co2 emissions discharged into the atmosphere by man since the beginning of the industrial evolution some 120yrs ago?

Did you know that there is no scientific data that exists that would determine the earths future if all man made emissions would stop today?

It isn't about saving the planet you liberal simpletons, its about the global redistribution of wealth.


Read closely the words of UN climate chief Christiana Figueres:

"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution"

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S Undersecretary of State for global issues:

“We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”


Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said:

“A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”


In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment Christine Stewart told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald:

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”


In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives:

“The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”


Speaking at the 2000 UN Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France explained why the IPCC’s climate initiative supported a key Western European Kyoto Protocol objective:

“For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established


And IPCC Chair Otto Graham:

Its all about the redistribution of wealth on a global scale. You honestly think Obama cares about the health of the planet? Or your health insurance? How you sheeple so blindly follow your libfuck leaders.

As once said by Obama cohort Rom Emanuel..."Never let a good crisis go to waste".



The energy industry has every right to invest their resources toward squashing this hoax.

Damn, that's Robert Gibbs!



So then Stewey.....8 of the 8 "experts" you cite agree? That sounds like 100% consensus to me. That's how it's done, you know.

We can now say "100% of all the experts on climate change agree that the theory of man made climate change is "wrong", "lacks scientific evidence" and is a "phony" extortion "threat" aimed at creating "New World Order" "global governance." Sweet!

 

[Rod Farva]

Better yet RB...........

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[jitter77]

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That's some interesting ****......who knew tadpoles had teeth?

Yep...I forget how many there were exactly, but there were a couple rows. You put them in a ziplock bag with water and put part of an alka-seltzer in it. It uses up the oxygen in the water and knocks the tadpoles out then you can put them under a microscope. I had over 50 tadpoles and only lost 1-2 that failed to wake up. Of course when the experiment was over I had to liquid nitrogen all of them which was kinda sad.

 

[hamster]

Yep...I forget how many there were exactly, but there were a couple rows. You put them in a ziplock bag with water and put part of an alka-seltzer in it. It uses up the oxygen in the water and knocks the tadpoles out then you can put them under a microscope. I had over 50 tadpoles and only lost 1-2 that failed to wake up. Of course when the experiment was over I had to liquid nitrogen all of them which was kinda sad.

#TadpoleLivesMatter

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I'm not going to argue man-made causes of climate change with you FOX NEWS people, but most here agree change IS happening. More droughts. More wild fires. More/bigger storm events. Sea levels changing.

Nope - http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...eme-weather-events-are-becoming-less-extreme/

and more locally - http://www.weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/florida-hurricane-drought-erika

 

[Spike]

Former Congressman Joe Walsh DARES Loretta Lynch to Prosecute Him in Scathing Rant

This could become an interesting trend...


Pataki Demands That AG Lynch Arrest Him For Urging War Against Islam

Former NY governor calls for ‘war on radical Islam’: ‘I’m declaring we kill them — Go ahead, arrest me’

We must declare war on radical Islam. @LorettaLynch I'm not edging toward violent speech, I'm declaring we kill them. Go ahead, arrest me.

https://twitter.com/GovernorPataki/status/672917318482190336?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/for...r-on-radical-islam-im-declaring-we-kill-them/

 

[Spike]

72 Department of Homeland Security Employees On Terrorist Watchlist

"Back in August, we did an investigation, the inspector General did, of the Department of Homeland Security, and they had 72 individuals that were on the terrorist watch list that were actually working at the Department of Homeland Security. The director had to resign because of that."

http://wgbhnews.org/post/congressma...meland-security-employees-terrorist-watchlist


The blood is on Obama's hands.

 

[Shane Falco]

Former Congressman Joe Walsh DARES Loretta Lynch to Prosecute Him in Scathing Rant

This could become an interesting trend...


Pataki Demands That AG Lynch Arrest Him For Urging War Against Islam

Former NY governor calls for ‘war on radical Islam’: ‘I’m declaring we kill them — Go ahead, arrest me’

We must declare war on radical Islam. @LorettaLynch I'm not edging toward violent speech, I'm declaring we kill them. Go ahead, arrest me.

https://twitter.com/GovernorPataki/status/672917318482190336?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/for...r-on-radical-islam-im-declaring-we-kill-them/

I liked him better as a drunk. The man definitely livened up The Eagles. Man can play some guitar

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nope - http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...eme-weather-events-are-becoming-less-extreme/

and more locally - http://www.weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/florida-hurricane-drought-erika

Come on CD, really? Rachel Madcow, CNN, and HuffPo have each SAID that extreme weather events are more prevalent, so it MUST be true. Facts don't matter. It does not matter that Florida is missing 'Canes for 10 years, that flooding is down, tornadoes are down and soil moisture is at an all time high. This DOES NOT fit with the agenda. They are drinking the Kool-Aid, and you cannot stop the flow with facts.

 

[deljzc]

The Muzzie homeland has always been a desert. If global warming makes the average temperature go up to 115* from 110* I don't think anyone would notice. Since they have lived there for thousands of years one would think they have been able to feed themselves. Just that lately all they do **** and kill each other so the population may have grown at a faster rate than food production.

Audio NSFW NSFK.

Well that's just not true. Civilization and agriculture BEGAN in the fertile crescent, which is basically the Euphrates river up into Syria and then down towards the Jordan/Israel and into Egypt (and the Nile river). That's the source of all civilization as we know it. It migrated around the Mediterranean. It absorbed technologies from India/China and became what we are today.

To say the whole region is just desert is just plain ignorant.

 

[Rod Farva]

Former Congressman Joe Walsh DARES Loretta Lynch to Prosecute Him in Scathing Rant

This could become an interesting trend...


Pataki Demands That AG Lynch Arrest Him For Urging War Against Islam

Former NY governor calls for ‘war on radical Islam’: ‘I’m declaring we kill them — Go ahead, arrest me’

We must declare war on radical Islam. @LorettaLynch I'm not edging toward violent speech, I'm declaring we kill them. Go ahead, arrest me.

https://twitter.com/GovernorPataki/status/672917318482190336?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/for...r-on-radical-islam-im-declaring-we-kill-them/

Nice.

Well that's just not true. Civilization and agriculture BEGAN in the fertile crescent, which is basically the Euphrates river up into Syria and then down towards the Jordan/Israel and into Egypt (and the Nile river). That's the source of all civilization as we know it. It migrated around the Mediterranean. It absorbed technologies from India/China and became what we are today.

To say the whole region is just desert is just plain ignorant.

Okay.....seriously, now you're either being deliberately obtuse or just trolling.

 

[Spike]

...and the Sahara was lush and green a mere 9000 years ago with lakes and rivers - a blink of the eye in CLIMATE timescales...

and Damn those stone age SUV's for drying up the Sahara!


Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated

When the rains came

Some 12,000 years ago, the only place to live along the eastern Sahara Desert was the Nile Valley. Being so crowded, prime real estate in the Nile Valley was difficult to come by. Disputes over land were often settled with the fist, as evidenced by the cemetery of Jebel Sahaba where many of the buried individuals had died a violent death.

But around 10,500 years ago, a sudden burst of monsoon rains over the vast desert transformed the region into habitable land.

This opened the door for humans to move into the area, as evidenced by the researcher's 500 new radiocarbon dates of human and animal remains from more than 150 excavation sites.


A timeline of Sahara occupation:

22,000 to 10,500 years ago: The Sahara was devoid of any human occupation outside the Nile Valley and extended 250 miles further south than it does today.

10,500 to 9,000 years ago: Monsoon rains begin sweeping into the Sahara, transforming the region into a habitable area swiftly settled by Nile Valley dwellers.

9,000 to 7,300 years ago: Continued rains, vegetation growth, and animal migrations lead to well established human settlements, including the introduction of domesticated livestock such as sheep and goats.

7,300 to 5,500 years ago: Retreating monsoonal rains initiate desiccation in the Egyptian Sahara, prompting humans to move to remaining habitable niches in Sudanese Sahara. The end of the rains and return of desert conditions throughout the Sahara after 5,500 coincides with population return to the Nile Valley and the beginning of pharaonic society.

http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

 

[Rod Farva]

The scientific consensus on AGW is 97.2%

The certainty that the current climate change occurring is caused by humans is 99.5%

He got his numbers crossed.

Quit wasting band width on that ****. It's wrong....... you're wrong.

It's related because of food production and migration.

I'm not going to argue man-made causes of climate change with you FOX NEWS people, Because every argument you try to make gets immediately shot down and destroyed......I get it, why bother?[B]but most here agree change IS happening[/B]....Would you say 97% ? More droughts. More wild fires. More/bigger storm events. Sea levels changing. What? Prove those.....that's not "arguing", it's how one discusses or debates unless one is so dogmatically programmed they stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and loudly sing lalalalala. The thing about food production and world hunger has always been a liberal political issue. For my entire life I was bombarded with "Feed Africa" commercials. I've never bought into it because sending food to a generation of Africans just produces more Africans in the next generation and the food issue is still there. There's that famous liberal generosity......surfaces every time. There are WAY too many people in areas that don't have the agricultural ability to support it. Agreed. And decades of aid from US/Europe/Soviet Union/China/Asia didn't help anything. Agreed.

So how would you help? Relocation? Let 'em starve? Just ignore them? Come on man, give a solution or means of help, don't just complain about the ineffectiveness of the liberal good intentions that always pave the route to worsening situations.

Climate change has further stressed arid regions around the world: Sub-saharan Africa and the Middle East in their ability to produce food (which just happen to also be Muslim hot-beds). The Sahara will likely be a rain forest again at some point. The Neolithic Subpluvial, or the Holocene Wet Phase, was an extended period (from about 7500–7000 BCE to about 3500–3000 BCE) of wet and rainy conditions in the climate history of northern Africa. It was both preceded and followed by much drier periods.

The Neolithic Subpluvial was the most recent of a number of periods of "Wet Sahara" or "Green Sahara", during which the Sahara region was much more moist and supported a richer biota and human population than the present-day desert.
Add to that a change in foreign policy from the cold war (where US and Russia propped up dictatorships around the world in a pseudo-colonization type battle of capitalism/communism) to a more hands-off style of foreign policy (primarily promoted by Bill Clinton). Civil war soon followed in many regions and that stressed food production as well. Actually, while the US certainly can be implicated it's not just the Big Two evil usupers that have contributed to stressed food production, and communists are much more at fault for this than we. Somalians for instance were traditionally farmers and ranchers......communists came to power there forcibly relocated the majority of the population to coastal areas forcing them to become fishermen. That put additional stress on the food supply because the waters had already been seriously over fished by numerous countries and fish populations had plummeted. This is the biggest reason Somali's now turn to piracy

When you combine all these things: climate change, overpopulation in arid/uninhabitable places, change in foreign policy and civil war, you create a huge void where violent thoughts and philosophies can prosper. And I agree 100% Islam is easier to use for this than anything else. Certainly more than nationalism/fascism, communism/marxism or even dictatorships.

Remove "climate change" from the above statement. What remain are ample enough reasons for "violent thoughts and philosophies" to "prosper."

I don't have a good answer to it all. It's complex and likely much more than just a Muslim/Islamic issue (though I agree that's part of it).

You don't have a good answer to it. I'd go so far as to say you don't even have a good grasp of all the socio/political and ethnic tribal strifes of the continent that are having and have had exponentially greater harmful effect on it.

Come on Del. I challenge you to respond to ANY of my points refuting yours......don't be a quitter. Elfie, you're welcome to try too.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Well that's just not true. Civilization and agriculture BEGAN in the fertile crescent, which is basically the Euphrates river up into Syria and then down towards the Jordan/Israel and into Egypt (and the Nile river). That's the source of all civilization as we know it. It migrated around the Mediterranean. It absorbed technologies from India/China and became what we are today.

To say the whole region is just desert is just plain ignorant.

It really is disgusting. A comedian employing hyperbole.

 

[Shane Falco]

...and the Sahara was lush and green a mere 9000 years ago with lakes and rivers - a blink of the eye in CLIMATE timescales...

and Damn those stone age SUV's for drying up the Sahara!


Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated

When the rains came

Some 12,000 years ago, the only place to live along the eastern Sahara Desert was the Nile Valley. Being so crowded, prime real estate in the Nile Valley was difficult to come by. Disputes over land were often settled with the fist, as evidenced by the cemetery of Jebel Sahaba where many of the buried individuals had died a violent death.

But around 10,500 years ago, a sudden burst of monsoon rains over the vast desert transformed the region into habitable land.

This opened the door for humans to move into the area, as evidenced by the researcher's 500 new radiocarbon dates of human and animal remains from more than 150 excavation sites.


A timeline of Sahara occupation:

22,000 to 10,500 years ago: The Sahara was devoid of any human occupation outside the Nile Valley and extended 250 miles further south than it does today.

10,500 to 9,000 years ago: Monsoon rains begin sweeping into the Sahara, transforming the region into a habitable area swiftly settled by Nile Valley dwellers.

9,000 to 7,300 years ago: Continued rains, vegetation growth, and animal migrations lead to well established human settlements, including the introduction of domesticated livestock such as sheep and goats.

7,300 to 5,500 years ago: Retreating monsoonal rains initiate desiccation in the Egyptian Sahara, prompting humans to move to remaining habitable niches in Sudanese Sahara. The end of the rains and return of desert conditions throughout the Sahara after 5,500 coincides with population return to the Nile Valley and the beginning of pharaonic society.

http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

I thought it was the dinosaurs farts that wiped them out and changed the earth..:lol


http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/63219-did-dinosaurs-fart-themselves-to-death