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Multiple attacks in Paris, at least 18 dead
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With all due respect, wasn't the lesson of the Nazis that you need to crush them before they get started, rather than appease them as they gain economic strength via conquest?
Iraq much?
Isn't Obama far more like Chamberlain than any other past historical figure?
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Or maybe the bomber used a fake Syrian passport to come into France from, oh I don't know, Syria? Maybe the bomber knew that a fake Syrian passport would get him in as a fake refugee because France is allowing a bunch of refugees in? Nah...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ble-high_refugee-vetting-315pm:homepage/story
The Obama administration is fighting a growing national backlash against accepting Syrian refugees, saying the government’s exhaustive screening process and security checks for new arrivals mean they can be safely brought to American soil.
Several high-level administration officials have warned in recent months just how challenging this can be. While they say U.S. security measures are much better than in the past, vetting Syrian refugees poses a quandary: How do you screen people from a war-torn country that has few criminal and terrorist databases to check?
The United States has resettled more than 3 million refugees since the mid-1970s, and the screening system in the post-9/11 era includes multiple background checks, screenings against FBI and other databases and an in-person interview. Debate over the program has intensified since the deadly terrorist strikes in Paris blamed on the Islamic State, though each attacker identified so far whose nationality has been confirmed has been found to be a European national, not part of the wave of refugees from Syria.
“I don’t, obviously, put it past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees, so that’s a huge concern of ours,” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said at a security industry conference in September, using another name for the Islamic State. He added that the government has “a pretty aggressive program” for screening refugees but that he is less confident about European nations.
FBI Director James Comey added in congressional testimony last month that “a number of people who were of serious concern” slipped through the screening of Iraq War refugees, including two arrested on terrorism-related charges. “There’s no doubt that was the product of a less than excellent vetting,” he said.
Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.”
The Obama administration is fighting a growing national backlash against accepting Syrian refugees, saying the government’s exhaustive screening process and security checks for new arrivals mean they can be safely brought to American soil.
Several high-level administration officials have warned in recent months just how challenging this can be. While they say U.S. security measures are much better than in the past, vetting Syrian refugees poses a quandary: How do you screen people from a war-torn country that has few criminal and terrorist databases to check?
The United States has resettled more than 3 million refugees since the mid-1970s, and the screening system in the post-9/11 era includes multiple background checks, screenings against FBI and other databases and an in-person interview. Debate over the program has intensified since the deadly terrorist strikes in Paris blamed on the Islamic State, though each attacker identified so far whose nationality has been confirmed has been found to be a European national, not part of the wave of refugees from Syria.
“I don’t, obviously, put it past the likes of ISIL to infiltrate operatives among these refugees, so that’s a huge concern of ours,” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said at a security industry conference in September, using another name for the Islamic State. He added that the government has “a pretty aggressive program” for screening refugees but that he is less confident about European nations.
FBI Director James Comey added in congressional testimony last month that “a number of people who were of serious concern” slipped through the screening of Iraq War refugees, including two arrested on terrorism-related charges. “There’s no doubt that was the product of a less than excellent vetting,” he said.
Although Comey said the process has since “improved dramatically,” Syrian refugees will be even harder to check because, unlike in Iraq, U.S. soldiers have not been on the ground collecting information on the local population. “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our data,” he said. “I can’t sit here and offer anybody an absolute assurance that there’s no risk associated with this.”
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All the terrorists were based in France and Belgium and were EU citizens. I know there is an attempt to rationalize this whole anti-refugee hysteria coming from the GOP, but it's unfounded, misguided, scare-mongering. It is what it is. There are plenty of terrorists to go around, they are basically everywhere, why the need to create a problem that hardly exists, ie. terrorist cloaked in refugee clothing? It's a typical overreaction by Republicans, and those that for some reason keep buying into it. It's time to move on. It's gotten so ridiculous you'd think keeping out a couple thousand syrian refugees - mostly women and children - is going to resolve this ISIS situation or keep us safe somehow. It's missing the mark by a wide margin. Like being scared of a poodle yipping away while a huge Doberman lurks around the corner.
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The lesson of Nazi Germany is lost on this tool. He doesn't remember all of his Jewish ancestors who chose to not believe the truth of the Holocaust. Those who forget the lessons of the past are destined to repeat it.
Awwww.....****!! *pounds sand*
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Tibs, we can go back and forth on this all day. There's nothing you can say that will convince me that letting 10,000 Syrians come here with very little means to vet them isn't risky. The Paris attackers are young men who may be French and Belgian citizens...it's highly likely either they or their parents were not born in France. Dzokhar Tsarnaev is an American citizen. He was also a refugee, as were his parents. The two terms are not mutually exclusive.
No one's suggesting that the majority of refugees are Syrian terrorists. We are suggesting that in this time period of heightened threats to innocent civilians, it's beyond reckless to assume that none of them are, or that terrorists wouldn't possibly use this refugee crisis to try and get into a country where it might otherwise be very difficult for them. The American people are target number 1 for Islamic terrorists around the world...the brass ring, the gold standard. Let someone else help this time.
Your statistics are meaningless. There are 7 billion people in this world...it only took 26 of them to bring down the World Trade Center.
No one's suggesting that the majority of refugees are Syrian terrorists. We are suggesting that in this time period of heightened threats to innocent civilians, it's beyond reckless to assume that none of them are, or that terrorists wouldn't possibly use this refugee crisis to try and get into a country where it might otherwise be very difficult for them. The American people are target number 1 for Islamic terrorists around the world...the brass ring, the gold standard. Let someone else help this time.
Your statistics are meaningless. There are 7 billion people in this world...it only took 26 of them to bring down the World Trade Center.
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By the way, your information is inaccurate. Despite having a fake passport,. it appears this bomber and others, if not refugees themselves, may have come into France by pretending to be refugees...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-top-table-high_migrants-845pm:homepage/story
PARIS — The mystery man arrived in Europe on a boat from Turkey that washed up on the azure shores of Greece on Oct. 3. He disembarked with 197 desperate migrants on the isle of Leros, where harried police processed the man whose Syrian passport named him as Ahmad Almohammad, a 30-year-old from Idlib.
He then followed the same trail into Western Europe trodden by hundred of thousands of asylum seekers escaping war and conflict in the Middle East, passing through Athens, then Macedonia and Serbia, according to Greek and Serbian officials.
Then he disappeared — until last Friday, when the man reappeared, this time in the form of the disfigured body of a suicide bomber in Paris, outside the Stade de France.
The fingerprints on the body, French and Greek officials say, matched those of the man who arrived in Leros on Oct. 3. That Syrian passport, French authorities confirmed on Tuesday, was a fake.
“It is obvious now,” said Bernard Squarcini, the former chief of French intelligence. “Amongst the migrants, there are some terrorists.”
The case of the mystery bomber has now ignited a political culture war across both sides of the Atlantic — one that revolves around whether it is migration or fear of migration that poses the greater peril.
Some have seized on the case as evidence that migrants and militants can be indistinguishable. But others worry that needy migrants will become the victims of a new wave of security paranoia — prompting an unusual warning Tuesday from the United Nations to the European countries who have pledged to house asylum seekers.
In the case of the mystery man, the debate is complicated by the falsified passport, which means that no one knows his true name or nationality, or whether he was truly a migrant. His name was clearly not al-Mohammad, and refu*gee advocates say the man may not have been Syrian.
There is no question that, on rare occasions, militants are slipping through border controls with migrants. Moroccan national Abdelmajid Touil, suspected of supplying weapons used in a March terrorist attack in Tunis that killed more than 20 tourists, had traveled to Italy a month earlier on a migrant boat from Libya. In May, he was arrested near Milan.
Now French officials are alarmed by the prospect that some of the suspected nine assailants involved in Friday’s attacks — seven of whom are dead, two of whom are on the run — may have tapped the migrant routes. “We are looking very closely at their travels,” said a French official involved in the case who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Concern is particularly focused on overburdened European entry points, nowhere more than in bankrupt Greece. Many of the asylum seekers flooding Greece are arriving without passports. Theoretically, translators are supposed to assess their claims by asking certain questions — What is the capital of Syria? — and assessing their accents.
But many “fake” refugees are unquestionably getting through. In September, officials in Germany said almost a third of asylum seekers there claiming to be Syrian were not actually from Syria.
Fake Syrian passports are considered hot commodities on the black market across the narrow straits in Turkey, where a cottage industry has arisen of Moroccans, Tunisians, Algerians and Egyptians seeking to pose as Syrians. The reason: They have an exceptionally high acceptance rate as refugees in countries such as Germany, which offers generous benefits and housing to those genuinely fleeing war and persecution.
In the wake of the Paris attacks, Marine Le Pen, head of the far-right National Front party, has called for an immediate halt to the influx of migrants into France, saying that “our fears and our warnings about the possible presence of jihadists among the migrants who join our country have unfortunately been realized.’’ In the United States, more than two dozen Republican governors have said they plan to try to block Syrian refugees from resettling in their states.
French officials on Tuesday issued a police bulletin with the mystery bomber’s image, appealing to the public for details of his identity. The few details that have emerged about his journey have raised red flags about the mechanisms now in place.
After landing in Greece on Oct. 3 the man claiming to be a Syrian named al-Mohammad traveled to Athens, then followed the flow of refugees north, through Macedonia and Serbia, where he applied, along with hundreds of others, for a transit visa in the Serbian town of Presevo on Oct. 15.
The European border agency meant to help guard the continent’s borders says it is dramatically overburdened and underfunded, despite pledges of boosted funds from the European Union. The agency, Frontex, said Tuesday it was in urgent need of additional officers to fingerprint and screen migrants. At the beginning of October, Frontex requested 775 more border guards but received only 320.
Emily Badger and Virgile Demoustier in Paris and Stephanie Kirchner in Berlin contributed to this report.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-top-table-high_migrants-845pm:homepage/story
PARIS — The mystery man arrived in Europe on a boat from Turkey that washed up on the azure shores of Greece on Oct. 3. He disembarked with 197 desperate migrants on the isle of Leros, where harried police processed the man whose Syrian passport named him as Ahmad Almohammad, a 30-year-old from Idlib.
He then followed the same trail into Western Europe trodden by hundred of thousands of asylum seekers escaping war and conflict in the Middle East, passing through Athens, then Macedonia and Serbia, according to Greek and Serbian officials.
Then he disappeared — until last Friday, when the man reappeared, this time in the form of the disfigured body of a suicide bomber in Paris, outside the Stade de France.
The fingerprints on the body, French and Greek officials say, matched those of the man who arrived in Leros on Oct. 3. That Syrian passport, French authorities confirmed on Tuesday, was a fake.
“It is obvious now,” said Bernard Squarcini, the former chief of French intelligence. “Amongst the migrants, there are some terrorists.”
The case of the mystery bomber has now ignited a political culture war across both sides of the Atlantic — one that revolves around whether it is migration or fear of migration that poses the greater peril.
Some have seized on the case as evidence that migrants and militants can be indistinguishable. But others worry that needy migrants will become the victims of a new wave of security paranoia — prompting an unusual warning Tuesday from the United Nations to the European countries who have pledged to house asylum seekers.
In the case of the mystery man, the debate is complicated by the falsified passport, which means that no one knows his true name or nationality, or whether he was truly a migrant. His name was clearly not al-Mohammad, and refu*gee advocates say the man may not have been Syrian.
There is no question that, on rare occasions, militants are slipping through border controls with migrants. Moroccan national Abdelmajid Touil, suspected of supplying weapons used in a March terrorist attack in Tunis that killed more than 20 tourists, had traveled to Italy a month earlier on a migrant boat from Libya. In May, he was arrested near Milan.
Now French officials are alarmed by the prospect that some of the suspected nine assailants involved in Friday’s attacks — seven of whom are dead, two of whom are on the run — may have tapped the migrant routes. “We are looking very closely at their travels,” said a French official involved in the case who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
Concern is particularly focused on overburdened European entry points, nowhere more than in bankrupt Greece. Many of the asylum seekers flooding Greece are arriving without passports. Theoretically, translators are supposed to assess their claims by asking certain questions — What is the capital of Syria? — and assessing their accents.
But many “fake” refugees are unquestionably getting through. In September, officials in Germany said almost a third of asylum seekers there claiming to be Syrian were not actually from Syria.
Fake Syrian passports are considered hot commodities on the black market across the narrow straits in Turkey, where a cottage industry has arisen of Moroccans, Tunisians, Algerians and Egyptians seeking to pose as Syrians. The reason: They have an exceptionally high acceptance rate as refugees in countries such as Germany, which offers generous benefits and housing to those genuinely fleeing war and persecution.
In the wake of the Paris attacks, Marine Le Pen, head of the far-right National Front party, has called for an immediate halt to the influx of migrants into France, saying that “our fears and our warnings about the possible presence of jihadists among the migrants who join our country have unfortunately been realized.’’ In the United States, more than two dozen Republican governors have said they plan to try to block Syrian refugees from resettling in their states.
French officials on Tuesday issued a police bulletin with the mystery bomber’s image, appealing to the public for details of his identity. The few details that have emerged about his journey have raised red flags about the mechanisms now in place.
After landing in Greece on Oct. 3 the man claiming to be a Syrian named al-Mohammad traveled to Athens, then followed the flow of refugees north, through Macedonia and Serbia, where he applied, along with hundreds of others, for a transit visa in the Serbian town of Presevo on Oct. 15.
The European border agency meant to help guard the continent’s borders says it is dramatically overburdened and underfunded, despite pledges of boosted funds from the European Union. The agency, Frontex, said Tuesday it was in urgent need of additional officers to fingerprint and screen migrants. At the beginning of October, Frontex requested 775 more border guards but received only 320.
Emily Badger and Virgile Demoustier in Paris and Stephanie Kirchner in Berlin contributed to this report.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. We have people in Syria who have sworn to attack us, and we are allowing Syrians to flood our country. What don't you get about that? Why do you lump them into immigrants from Myammar?
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Given islam's prolific long and short term history of invasion, mayhem, rape, torture, murder, pedophilia, sodomy, bestiality, lying, cheating, duplicity, and turning everything they touch to @#$%, it is beyond me why we would even ponder allowing a musloid to enter this country, even to visit Disney. Ax yersef why their Arab brethren don't take them. There is no end of empty real estate in the Middle East better to their liking than our fruited plain and oh so nuanced culture. Nobody over there will touch them. A serious and sober argument can't be made to bring them here either. Unless, of course, your agenda is to bring the invasion, mayhem, rape, torture, murder, pedophilia, sodomy, bestiality, lying, cheating, duplicity, and turning everything they touch to @#$% here.
If fact, among the very few things I would applaud congressional leadership for is their very quiet consideration of internment for the muzloids already here. The Knoxville incident started the inquiries for camp vacancy. Its not as if there isn't a precedent, and for the same reasons. All it will take is a domestic 'Paris' and they'd have the green light. That'll be interesting to watch.
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There is a growing discussion among intelligent people whether Islam is a "religion" or a "form of government" (it is both) and how we can separate the two with foreign policy.
In my opinion, Islam is by far the religion with the most dogma concerning politics. That is probably because it is the most recent mainstream world-wide religion but also because Muhammad's life was political in nature.
That is a dangerous combination of beliefs when one wraps their religion up with politics and laws. Our founding fathers knew the danger of mixing politics and religion. Islam and Muhammad, for right or wrong, for whatever reason, is completely opposite of this belief. He preached mixing religion with politics.
That is why our policy as a government to ignore the political nature of the Islamic religion, to deal with "civilized" Sharia governments and treat them as our allies while condemning others, makes no sense and hasn't for over a generation.
As many here know, I'm very mixed in my ideologies. I want a balance of military strength and action while also a believer that some federal programs are for the greater benefit of our nation. I'm okay with tax revenue where it's at, but I want it more fair to all and I want to make sure everyone's paying what they should. I'm okay with reasonable deficit spending and manipulation of our prime rate to help correct recessions as long as we are willing to be fiscally responsible and save when times are good.
This was a good article that I don't all agree with, but did enjoy reading:
https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/RN2yx54bxPa
After you read it (and you should), there is a slight hypocrisy to his criticism of the failed Iraq war and his "solution" to Syria/ISIS but overall it's a worthwhile investment of your time.
This is an interesting time. We are fighting a political war against a foe we can't name because it cloaks itself in a religion we don't want to offend. It is nothing like the nationalism wars that were fought from 1750-1950 and we define as our "history". And is even harder to define than the cold war and the fight against communism. It is a war that will likely last throughout our children's lifetimes and will define the 21st century in history books.
I still strongly feel America is on the right side of history. Our laws and freedoms are still the correct way to govern a civilized society. While attacks against that culture seem innumerable, cloudy and frustratingly successful I still think it will end this century as strongly as it started, if not stronger.
In my opinion, Islam is by far the religion with the most dogma concerning politics. That is probably because it is the most recent mainstream world-wide religion but also because Muhammad's life was political in nature.
That is a dangerous combination of beliefs when one wraps their religion up with politics and laws. Our founding fathers knew the danger of mixing politics and religion. Islam and Muhammad, for right or wrong, for whatever reason, is completely opposite of this belief. He preached mixing religion with politics.
That is why our policy as a government to ignore the political nature of the Islamic religion, to deal with "civilized" Sharia governments and treat them as our allies while condemning others, makes no sense and hasn't for over a generation.
As many here know, I'm very mixed in my ideologies. I want a balance of military strength and action while also a believer that some federal programs are for the greater benefit of our nation. I'm okay with tax revenue where it's at, but I want it more fair to all and I want to make sure everyone's paying what they should. I'm okay with reasonable deficit spending and manipulation of our prime rate to help correct recessions as long as we are willing to be fiscally responsible and save when times are good.
This was a good article that I don't all agree with, but did enjoy reading:
https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/RN2yx54bxPa
After you read it (and you should), there is a slight hypocrisy to his criticism of the failed Iraq war and his "solution" to Syria/ISIS but overall it's a worthwhile investment of your time.
This is an interesting time. We are fighting a political war against a foe we can't name because it cloaks itself in a religion we don't want to offend. It is nothing like the nationalism wars that were fought from 1750-1950 and we define as our "history". And is even harder to define than the cold war and the fight against communism. It is a war that will likely last throughout our children's lifetimes and will define the 21st century in history books.
I still strongly feel America is on the right side of history. Our laws and freedoms are still the correct way to govern a civilized society. While attacks against that culture seem innumerable, cloudy and frustratingly successful I still think it will end this century as strongly as it started, if not stronger.
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Bernie thinks terrorism is caused by global warming. Where do you even begin ti challenge such asinine theories. Like most liberal theories, just taking on the task of trying to unravel the nonsense makes you a loser from the start.
I mean there are so many strawmen, there's not even a real argument behind them. They just know they have to protect O from his own incompetence a bit longer.
How about we certify that these are refugees first and then decide what to do with them? Seems pretty obvious, Why the hurry to bring them here without vetting them and hope they are all good? That's nonsense.
I mean there are so many strawmen, there's not even a real argument behind them. They just know they have to protect O from his own incompetence a bit longer.
How about we certify that these are refugees first and then decide what to do with them? Seems pretty obvious, Why the hurry to bring them here without vetting them and hope they are all good? That's nonsense.
This is why it's always puzzled me why Liberals side with the Muzzies since Libs are all about separate church and state and the Muzzies are all about church and state being one in the same.
Two flights from the U.S. to Paris today had to turn back and make emergency landings due to bomb threats.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/world/air-france-flight-diverted/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/world/air-france-flight-diverted/
This is in contention for the top spot of the most ignorant thing ever posted.
It only took a handful of Muslims to come here, take flying lessons and kill 3000 people by flying jet airliners into skyscrapers.
Guess what? I don't give a **** and I don't want them here. We don't have enough jobs for the people we have. There are other Muslim countries they can settle in and not be offended by women driving or not wearing head scarves, gay people, and bacon.
Tibs:
We cannot vet the Syrian refugees. Many have no paperwork, since the country has been torn asunder by the civil war that arose under Bammy's watch.
Many refugees left behind crucial papers such as birth certificates, marriage licenses, passports and ID cards when they were forced to abandon their homes. Sealed borders and a complex map of unfriendly and terrorist-controlled territories within Syria mean those documents are nearly impossible to obtain now — unless, of course, refugees can pay high sums for forgeries.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/24/not-syrian-not-turkish.html
Do you seriously doubt that ISIS would take advantage of the situation and have their freaks invade America and kill our citizens?
We cannot vet the Syrian refugees. Many have no paperwork, since the country has been torn asunder by the civil war that arose under Bammy's watch.
Many refugees left behind crucial papers such as birth certificates, marriage licenses, passports and ID cards when they were forced to abandon their homes. Sealed borders and a complex map of unfriendly and terrorist-controlled territories within Syria mean those documents are nearly impossible to obtain now — unless, of course, refugees can pay high sums for forgeries.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/24/not-syrian-not-turkish.html
Do you seriously doubt that ISIS would take advantage of the situation and have their freaks invade America and kill our citizens?
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How about this. Pull all troops, aid money, logistical support and diplomatic personnel out of all ME nations and place a 25 year travel and immigration moritorium to and from the USA. After we have been totally hands off for 25 years if they stop committing acts of terror and hating us then they can start coming in to our country. If they are still at the same ole same ole we make the ban permanent.
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How come no one is talking about the Nigerian refugee problem?
Boko Harem has done a helluva lot worse than these ******** terrorists in Paris.
They have set entire populations in motion in Nigeria and neighbouring countries, and no one give a flying **** for those people.
Why does anyone care about a bunch of Syrians that 13 Islamic states don't want?
Seriously, if women and children need refuge, and that is a public/global good, who the hell made the decision to ignore the Africans?????????????
Boko Harem has done a helluva lot worse than these ******** terrorists in Paris.
They have set entire populations in motion in Nigeria and neighbouring countries, and no one give a flying **** for those people.
Why does anyone care about a bunch of Syrians that 13 Islamic states don't want?
Seriously, if women and children need refuge, and that is a public/global good, who the hell made the decision to ignore the Africans?????????????
Weren't those Boston Bomber brothers refugees ?
The problem is not refugees in general, it's Muslim refugees and Islam and has been for centuries. When Obama said that US history was rich with Muslim heritage, he was right. Our first war as a nation was against Muslims and the result was the second verse of the marine corp hymn. Other than those contributions, not so much has been contributed to our society by Muslims except death and controversy.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...nti-terror-raid-on-paris-suburb/?intcmp=hpbt1
2 terror suspects killed, 7 arrested in raid targeting Paris attack mastermind
2 terror suspects killed, 7 arrested in raid targeting Paris attack mastermind