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Preseason Strength of Schedule assessments are Bullshit

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I know a lot of us were concerned that going into this season, the strength of schedule for our opponents was the toughest in the league. Many wanted to point to this stat as a reason why the Steelers wouldn't be able to compete or win this season and the sky was already falling. I've always seen stats as an interesting record of accomplishments, but those stats do not influence future performance.

My problem has always been with people saying this WILL happen or this CAN'T happen because STATISTICS. As we've seen this season, not only is our own team bucking their own previous season's statistical trend of terrible defense and high powered offense with an opportunistic defense and a conservative offense, but our opponents are not the juggernaut they were made out to be before the season started. I will agree that trends can be inferred through statistical performance, but those trends are never absolute.

At no time this season can the 2015 Steelers play any of the 2014 opponents with their strength of schedule. Each year there is flux in the league. Players are added and removed. Coaches change, new stars emerge, big injuries happen, and players some times regress. This year is the perfect example to why their 2014 teams may be vastly better than their 2015 versions.

Last year the AFC West had a strong Denver team and 2 very good teams in KC and SD that just missed the playoffs, not to mention the always dangerous (to us) Oakland Raiders. In the NFC, the Western Division was the strongest with the most wins in the conference. Arizona started off incredibly hot until Palmer was sidelined with injury, and Seattle showed they were a Superbowl team by fighting off early season adversity to not only win their division, but to make the Superbowl. San Franscisco took a step back, but they are still talented on both sides of the ball, and the improving Rams still had 6 wins. Winning the division meant we also had to play New England and Indy, as well as our own division which featured 2 more playoff teams in Baltimore and Cinci. My how times have changed.

This year the Patriots and Denver are still strong. Arizona is again starting hot, but SF and Seattle are not their former selves. The Rams are improving, but they are still a couple offensive players away from being a playoff contender. Indi is a 500 team and doesn't look like they can win any other division in football, except for the one they're currently in. The rest of the AFC West us sub 500 and doesn't look that promising (aside from San Diego, who I think could still make a run).

So our current strength of schedule is a bit different. 6 games in, I will evaluate it and give my thoughts:

1. NE 5-0 - They are who we thought they were. Especially with a fully ego-inflated QB coming off a big win vs the NFL. Though at home, for their 2014 crowning, and with a pumped-up Brady, we were still in the game.
2. SF 2-4 - Took a huge step back. The QB is regressing, and the defense, that was a strength, is now a joke. This team is a far cry from their 8-8 season last year, and I expect them to be under 6 wins this season.
3. STL 2-3 - This is a team on the rise with what might be the most dangerous pass rush in the league (just ask Ben's knee). Though only a half game ahead of San Fran, the rams are showing promise and should be formidable moving forward.
4. BAL 1-5 - Nothing gives me more pleasure to see the Ravens fall out of the sky the way they have. Flacco has regressed, and that team did nothing to replace the talent it lost this past season. Suggs injury doesn't help that secondary, who much like ours, is very vulnerable without pressure. The only thing that hurts is to see a 1 in the win column and know it was us. Too bad we didn't have Boz a few weeks earlier...
5. SD 2-4 - This is a talented team. They have a great offense that can generate points, and they also have a pretty good defense. Why aren't they winning? Well they seem to have trouble against teams with a winning record. Cinci, GB, Pit, and Min have all beaten the Bolts. Good thing for them Denver is the only team they face the rest of the year with a winning record. It wouldn't surprise me if they finish the season 8-2 with the talent they have. We were lucky to get that win in SD with Vick no matter how you slice it.
6. ARI 4-2 - They are an excellent team. Stout, playmaking defense paired with an explosive offense. This team is a Superbowl contender, yet somehow the injury plagued Steelers on their 3rd QB gutted out a convincing win behind their improving defense. I fully expect Arizona to win their division (if Palmer's knee cooperates) and contend for a first round bye in the NFC.

Moving Forward:
7. KC 1-5 - KC lost their top weapon in Jamal Charles for the year. Their defense regressed and their offense can't seem to score. This team will not come anywhere near their 9-7 mark from last year. I say they top out at 3 wins.
8. CIN 6-0 - Who would have seen this coming? Not only are they undefeated, but they gutted out some nice comeback wins against the Ravens, Seahawks and Chargers. Still, their success will only be validated if they can prove they can beat the Steelers.
9. OAK 2-3 - The Raiders are under 500, where they always seem to be each year. No matter how bad they are, they always seem to give our team fits. This season I am a bit more confident playing them at home, and with our improving defense. Still I expect them to be better than their 3 wins last year (hopefully one of them won't be against us).
10. CLE 2-4 - I am amazed how a team can consistently screw up, year, after year, after year. This team has no QB consistency, their front office makes terrible decisions, and the fans still go to see this team play what I can only refer to as: Cleveland Football week after week. The D is improving and is their only bright spot, but this team will not beat us without another 8 fumble performance. Cleveland has officially been upgraded from a dumpster fire to a tire fire, since it seems to burn for years with no end in sight. At least they wrote Cleveland on their jerseys and Browns on their pants so they won't be confused with some college team they seem to play like.
11. SEA 2-4 - This was supposed to be one of the toughest games on the schedule, and now is looking quite winnable. I don't see them returning to the superbowl let alone making the playoffs this year.
12. IND 3-3 - All I can say is Bring em on! Luck will still make plays, and get their team a division win, but only because Houston, Jacksonville, and the Titans are pitiful. Here's an instance where 8-8 can get you a division crown, but it's much easier to get to 8-8 when 6 of your wins are against your division. This team will not make the AFCC game again this season.
13. DEN 6-0 - This team is the most confusing in football. Their defense is elite. They're making plays all over the field and have 17 turnovers! 17 in 6 weeks!! It's no shock that they lead the league in plus minus (tied with us at +6). The Shock is Manning is leading the league in interceptions with TEN! Manning is still proving he can close at the end of games, but with that defense, I wouldn't be surprised if they were 6-0 with Tebow still as their QB. At least Tebow didn't turn the ball over at that clip. They are a strong team and a contender for the AFC, but I for one have always pointed to Manning's poor performance outdoors in Dec/Jan. With the way he regressed down the stretch last year, I expect the same this year. Playing them at home in December is playing Denver at the right time of the year to earn a victory.

The Steelers still have a lot of injury concerns, and the secondary has to improve, if they want to make a run this season. With the defense improving each week, I'm hoping that trend will continue. Looking at our record, and if Ben comes back and plays to the level we're used to. This team has a chance to win 8 games down the stretch. I think 7 will get them in the playoffs, and 6 still gives them a chance at the playoffs. To win the division 8-2 is a must and they probably need to sweep Cinci. Otherwise, the Bengals will probably win the division with a series split and a better divisional record. Still 10-12 wins is a better record than most Steelers fans anticipated when we saw that 'formidable' preseason strength of schedule ranking.
 
Strength of schedule has always been a bullshit ranking since it's based off of past performance. It can't predict the future. Throw in a single injury to a major player on a team and all projections for that team are thrown out the window.
 
I usually think the pre-season strength of schedule is a factor, but things can change.

1 ) Injuries. No explanation needed.

2 ) The kickers! The new rule has some kickers missing more than they used to

3 ) Less than half of the games have been played. Some teams have a history of being front runners ( Cincinnati ) . Other teams tend to close strong ( San Diego )

4 ) The Super bowl hangover. Teams that lose the super bowl tend to fall next year.

5 ) When you play a team can make a huge difference.
 
And don't forget that SOS is also influenced by last year's schedule. Let's face it, last year the AFC North played an easy schedule which led to all of us (even the Browns) getting fat against easy opponents (and there wasn't much travel involved...we played one game outside the Eastern time zone). So teams that had to play the AFC North this season look like they are in for a tough time if you just look at SOS, but clearly it's not too tough to play the Browns and Ravens right now.

Denver's defense is excellent, but we will be playing against either a seriously compromised (from an age/health perspective) Peyton Manning in cold weather or Brock Osweiler. So I was never too worried about that game. The Colts are not a very good football team --- that would be totally irrelevant if not for playing in a terrible division.
 
Baseball - with its seemingly endless statistics - teaches us the difference between performance stats (showing how well a team or player did previously) and predictive stats (telling us how well the same team or player will do in the future). Football fans have not yet learned to differentiate these statistics.

Last year's won/loss record is solely a performance stat, and has almost no predictive value due to losses and gains in free agency, changes in the rosters of the opponents, and injuries. Your criticism of strength of schedule as being predictive of how tough the opposition will be based on last year's records is 100% justified.

Baseball has two of the best statistical projection stats I have seen in sports - fielder independent pitching (FIP) for pitchers and batted average on balls in play (BABIP) for hitters. I have yet to see statistics as good for predicting future performance in football. Basically, the entire litany of stats simply measures past performance.
 
Baseball - with its seemingly endless statistics - teaches us the difference between performance stats (showing how well a team or player did previously) and predictive stats (telling us how well the same team or player will do in the future). Football fans have not yet learned to differentiate these statistics.

Last year's won/loss record is solely a performance stat, and has almost no predictive value due to losses and gains in free agency, changes in the rosters of the opponents, and injuries. Your criticism of strength of schedule as being predictive of how tough the opposition will be based on last year's records is 100% justified.

Baseball has two of the best statistical projection stats I have seen in sports - fielder independent pitching (FIP) for pitchers and batted average on balls in play (BABIP) for hitters. I have yet to see statistics as good for predicting future performance in football. Basically, the entire litany of stats simply measures past performance.

We can talk for hours about the absurd ways football statistics are used. One of the worst is QB rating...it was designed to measure how a QB performed over the course of an entire season and now we see it for a guy who makes 12 passes in one game like Landry Jones. It adds no value whatsoever in that context. We all know a QB that completed 8/12 passes for 150+ yards, 2 TDs and no INTs had a good outing...there is no additional information gained by saying "his QB rating was 149.3!".

And of course, had Jones throw 2 interceptions that were completely his receivers fault, his QB rating would be terrible and people would use it to show that his performance was terrible even though his receivers were the ones that were actually terrible.
 
All that pre-season crap is exactly that,crap. Pre-season strength of schedule, pre-season playoof team picks, pre-season suber bowl teams and winner. Total bullshit by people just looking to be relevant and make a buck. Never have bought into all of that.
 
SOS has some meaning if the teams you play continue to be successful and have the record they had the previous season. This isn't always the case. There's a tremendous amount of varying records outside of the higher echelon in this league. You only play who is on your schedule and hope that gets you to the playoffs and has the team battle tested to make a run towards another trophy.
 
I'm still concerned about the Seattle game, we have Cincinnati twice and Denver after already having played New England and Arizona. I think at the end of the season, it will show we had a fairly tough schedule.
 
I said it was BS during the pre-season and got jumped all over by some.

To be fair, our schedule is challenging from many perspectives. Lots of travel. Playing both teams that played in the Super Bowl. I think we are still playing a tough schedule, just not as tough as it may have appeared when you are basing things solely on last year's record and assuming your opponents are at full strength.

But let's not kid ourselves. You can tell some things by looking at a schedule before the season. Playing at New England has been incredibly difficult for 10+ years. Playing Jax has been easy for 7+ years. You can look at the QBs you will likely face and conclude quite a bit.
 
Where did you get the "stat" that SD has a great offense? They are 15th in scoring.

Also it goes both ways. IF people had said before the season that the schedule this year was easy and the Steelers should roll through it then others would be bitching about that. When people ***** about NE having an easy schedule BEFORE the season nobody bats an eye. The fact is that every game has different variables. Injuries, TOs etc... How is it that NE loses mostly to AFC East teams. They generally beat the top teams from the other divisions but lose a game or two in their own division. I'm guessing because they know each other so well.

Right now the pre-season SOS looks wrong. So the Steelers are playing bad teams again this year.
 
Right now the pre-season SOS looks wrong. So the Steelers are playing bad teams again this year.

I would say there aren't very many good teams in the NFL right now. That's why so many teams have managed to remain undefeated. We played the Pats, will play the Bengals twice plus the Broncos. That's 4 games against teams that are good. Not sure it gets much tougher than that this year.
 
Where did you get the "stat" that SD has a great offense? They are 15th in scoring.

Unless you're being facetious, SD is leading the league in yardage and passing yardage.
 
I'm still concerned about the Seattle game, we have Cincinnati twice and Denver after already having played New England and Arizona. I think at the end of the season, it will show we had a fairly tough schedule.

Seattle is self destructing this year. All those big $$ contracts have ****** up the team, its a winnable game if we have #7 at QB. Cincy should be interesting with Ben hopefully back for Game 1. He will not be 100% but if we can protect him we know he can make throws Landry can't. I think Denver will be a fun game with Manning struggling to throw downfield.
 
Didn't the Bengals start like this last year and then collapsed?. Dalton doesn't seem to play well against the Steelers.
 
Seattle is self destructing this year. All those big $$ contracts have ****** up the team, its a winnable game if we have #7 at QB.

I thought I read that they have blown 4th quarter leads in all of their losses? I don't think their record is a good indication of what kind of team they are.
 
Unless you're being facetious, SD is leading the league in yardage and passing yardage.

Seriously? So the Steelers defense is doing great because they don't give up many points but a ton of yards BUT the SD offense is great because of yards? Strange how that happens...

Also did you not say this:

They have a great offense that can generate points

I don't see yards or yardage in there anywhere do you?
 
best teams right now:
- Patriots
- Bengals
- Broncos
- Packers
- Panthers
- Colts
- Cards
- Falcons

Steelers have to play against most of them (and bengals twice), so yeah, it's a tough schedule
 
Seriously? So the Steelers defense is doing great because they don't give up many points but a ton of yards BUT the SD offense is great because of yards? Strange how that happens...

Also did you not say this:



I don't see yards or yardage in there anywhere do you?

Still doesn't mean that they aren't a great offense, and they do generate points. What's your point?
 
Still doesn't mean that they aren't a great offense, and they do generate points. What's your point?

What? You really can't see my point? You say they have a great offense that generates points. I said that they aren't that great because they are 15th in points scored. Then you come back with "They are great at gaining yards". Then I come back with "You said POINTS not YARDS"...

I have a hard time believing that you can't follow this simple line of reasoning. You pinned their great offense on their point production. When I challenged that you spun it to yards. It isn't hard to follow. They aren't a great offense. They are 15th in points scored. Did you not look up their point production? All offenses generate points so what? That wasn't your point. My point is that they aren't that good of an offense and I can back it up because they score in the middle of the league in actual scoring.
 
What? You really can't see my point? You say they have a great offense that generates points. I said that they aren't that great because they are 15th in points scored. Then you come back with "They are great at gaining yards". Then I come back with "You said POINTS not YARDS"...

I have a hard time believing that you can't follow this simple line of reasoning. You pinned their great offense on their point production. When I challenged that you spun it to yards. It isn't hard to follow. They aren't a great offense. They are 15th in points scored. Did you not look up their point production? All offenses generate points so what? That wasn't your point. My point is that they aren't that good of an offense and I can back it up because they score in the middle of the league in actual scoring.

This is what you do Vader. You like to get into semantic arguments that have no bearing on the article I've written. You prove to me they aren't a great offense and I'll eat my words. You also prove to me that they haven't generated points and I'll eat my words. They may not be the best at generating points but points are generated. But they are the top offense in the league. You want to hang my greatness assessment of their offense on the fact that they are mediocre at generating points, that's your argument, not mine. You want to ask anyone in the league, or any reporter who the #1 offense in the league is? They'll say San Diego.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team
 
My thought on the upcoming schedule is we play Oakland which we struggle with in the past, we should beat them yet we play poorly against them, we don't do well against Seattle out there, Denver all up on secondary, Indy we need to put pressure on Luck, we play Bungles twice they are playing really well and we need to win all the rest of our division games. We have played inspired ball since Ben has been out , do we keep this mentality up under the leadership of Tomlin when in the past we have not been ready for the teams we should beat.
 
This is what you do Vader. You like to get into semantic arguments that have no bearing on the article I've written. You prove to me they aren't a great offense and I'll eat my words. You also prove to me that they haven't generated points and I'll eat my words. They may not be the best at generating points but points are generated. But they are the top offense in the league. You want to hang my greatness assessment of their offense on the fact that they are mediocre at generating points, that's your argument, not mine. You want to ask anyone in the league, or any reporter who the #1 offense in the league is? They'll say San Diego.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

And this is what you do. You didn't check the stats and made an invalid point. Then you get called out and go into CYA mode. NFL stats isn't a reporter. They are the top YARDAGE team in the league. But they can't score. Which is why if you look at your own NFL stats.com page it will say they are 15TH in POINTS SCORED. Which is what you said made them a great offense.

It's the same argument that is used here for the defense. They give up a ton of yards but not many points. So are you saying they are a bad defense because of the yards? I bet not.

Fact is that you made a mistake and are now trying to cover your ***. I get it. But a 3rd grader can see my point and can see you made a mistake. SD is not the best offense at scoring which is what you said. You were wrong.
 
You want to ask anyone in the league, or any reporter who the #1 offense in the league is? They'll say San Diego.http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

You can't be serious with this. Very few people consider San Diego's offense the best in the league. They have no running game, their O-line is average on its best day and Rivers is not Aaron Rogers. No one takes seriously the NFL's ridiculous, antiquated method of ranking offenses and defenses by yards gained / allowed.
 
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