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Nice job Landry

Just going to throw this here since it touches on some points I made in an earlier post about Jones.

Post-Arizona thoughts

By Dale Lolley October 18, 2015
I have to admit, I laughed at the people on social media who thought the Steelers should go to Landry Jones when Mike Vick was struggling.

But there was a method to my madness.

I have not only seen Jones in all of his preseason glory - or lack thereof - but in a lot of practice sessions as well.

He typically throws a nice, soft pass, one that is just as easily caught by his team as it is by the defense.

And Jones throws a lot of passes to the defense in practice.

But we saw the good Landry Jones Sunday. When he drops back, plants at three, five or seven steps and throws, he can be pretty good.

When he has to start scanning the field for an open receiver, he struggles.

Kudos to offensive coordinator Todd Haley for recognizing that as well and putting Jones in a position where he could complete 8 of 12 passes for 168 yards and two scores in the Steelers’ 25-13 win.

@ As the Cardinals continued to go up and down the field and put up tons of yardage without scoring, I was reminded why Bruce Arians was replaced by Haley as the Steelers’ offensive coordinator.

That and the seven QB hits and one sack that Carson Palmer took in this game.

@ In the offseason, I was asked on a radio show who I felt the Steelers could least do without for a long stretch of time - other than quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

I answered left tackle Kelvin Beachum.

We’ll find out about that now. Beachum is out for the remainder of the season with a torn ACL in his left knee. That’s a big blow for him and the Steelers as well.

Beachum will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and isn’t going to get a big contract coming off an ACL injury.

Perhaps the Steelers will be inclined to sign him back - at least for a one-year prove-it deal.

On the other hand, they will now get a chance to see if Alejandro Villanueva can handle being a left tackle in the league.

If that doesn’t work out, this team will have problems.

By going 2-1 without Roethlisberger, the Steelers have shown that they are Super Bowl contenders.

But it will be awfully tough to get there without a solid left tackle.

@ Stephon Tuitt went down with a sprained knee in this one. His status moving forward will likely be week-to-week.

That hurts because he had really been playing well and had been part of a defense that has just been killing the run - Baltimore aside.

The Steelers allowed a paltry 2.8 yards per carry against the Cardinals, which was a big reason why Arizona went 1-4 in the red zone.

I did like the move the Steelers made with Tuitt out, however, of using Steve McLendon in the nickel defense. They did that against New England in the opener, as well.

McLendon is without a doubt one of their top three defensive linemen. In fact, if Tuitt can’t play next week, I’d think about getting him some snaps at defensive end with Cam Thomas or Daniel McCullers at the nose. Thomas can’t play end but is decent at the nose, while McCullers gives you a big body at the nose as well.

@ The Steelers gave up some big pass plays in this game, with Arizona making catches of 45, 44, 42 and 33 yards. But even after those big plays, they got the receiver on the ground.

That hasn’t been a big problem this season but it has been in previous years.

It’s one thing to get hit for a big play. It happens in a league in which the defense is set up to fail.

But you can’t allow those big plays to go for scores every time. The Steelers are getting guys on the ground and lining up again.

They entered Sunday’s game seventh in scoring defense and limited Arizona, which was averaging 38 points per game, to 13.

I don’t care how many yards they allow. Points and wins are the biggest way to measure a defense.

@ You see what a big receiver can do for an offense.

Antonio Brown is an outstanding talent. He’s pound-for-pound the best receiver in the NFL.

But he had three catches for 24 yards in this one as Vick and Jones struggled to get him the ball.

They had not such issues with Martavis Bryant. While both Bryant and Brown had eight targets each, Bryant had six catches for 137 yards and two scores.

@ Sunday’s game was the first in Le’Veon Bell’s career in which he not only failed to catch a pass, he wasn’t even targeted.

Roethlisberger can’t get back soon enough for Brown or Bell.

It could be this week.

Mike Tomlin will play this out as long as he can this week so as not to tip his hand to Kansas City. But it should be apparent by Wednesday, when the team starts formulating its game plan, who is going to be under center against the Chiefs.

@ Remember how concerned you were when the Steelers’ schedule came out?

Remember how it was going to be tough to beat all of those NFC West teams? The Steelers are now 3-0 against the NFC West.

That’s why you should never get too worked up about a schedule in May.
 
He surprised the defense for sure. I'm glad they felt confident in him being able to throw the ball. It definitely won the game.
 
I hated the Vick signing, aside from the dog fighting bullshit, I've always thought he lacked the IQ (football and otherwise) to be a consistently good starting QB in the NFL. Having said that, I assumed the folks in the Steeler organization knew better than I whether LJ was a viable 2nd string QB or not. Good lord, that sure does look wrong now. At the very least, Jones was more prepared to come into the middle of a game than Vick ever was. I remember very well when Vick was the Jets backup and suddenly had to come in. He said after that game that he wasn't prepared like he should've been. That should've told the Steeler powers that be more than anything else. Your only job is to be prepared and you're too lazy to make even that effort? No thanks, you should be back on the streets the day after Ben comes back. Not saying Landry is the second coming of Ben (or whoever), but at least he knew his job and executed it under very difficult circumstances. It's not like Arizona has a cupcake defense either. He just needs to be good enough to trust the other playmakers around him until Ben is 100% healthy. Ok, may 85%

Oh, and I agree with Steelerlyn - **** Rodney Harrison in the goat *** with a barbed wire wrapped fence pole.
 
The other thing people need to understand --- coaches use the media as a tool. Tomlin may have been considering benching Vick for Jones, but what purpose would it serve for Tomlin to tell the media: "Yup, I was considering benching Vick --- y'all saw how badly he was stinking up the joint out there."

It's just incredibly naive to take everything a head coach tells the media at face value.
 
I hated the Vick signing, aside from the dog fighting bullshit, I've always thought he lacked the IQ (football and otherwise) to be a consistently good starting QB in the NFL. Having said that, I assumed the folks in the Steeler organization knew better than I whether LJ was a viable 2nd string QB or not. Good lord, that sure does look wrong now. At the very least, Jones was more prepared to come into the middle of a game than Vick ever was. I remember very well when Vick was the Jets backup and suddenly had to come in. He said after that game that he wasn't prepared like he should've been. That should've told the Steeler powers that be more than anything else. Your only job is to be prepared and you're too lazy to make even that effort? No thanks, you should be back on the streets the day after Ben comes back. Not saying Landry is the second coming of Ben (or whoever), but at least he knew his job and executed it under very difficult circumstances. It's not like Arizona has a cupcake defense either. He just needs to be good enough to trust the other playmakers around him until Ben is 100% healthy. Ok, may 85%

Oh, and I agree with Steelerlyn - **** Rodney Harrison in the goat *** with a barbed wire wrapped fence pole.

I remember when Vick led an 80 yd drive to beat SD.
 
The other thing people need to understand --- coaches use the media as a tool. Tomlin may have been considering benching Vick for Jones, but what purpose would it serve for Tomlin to tell the media: "Yup, I was considering benching Vick --- y'all saw how badly he was stinking up the joint out there."

It's just incredibly naive to take everything a head coach tells the media at face value.

according to Tomlin, he never once thought of taking Vick out of the SD game or yesterday's game. It was Vick or bust. Luckily for Jones and Tomlin, it all worked out. Jones stated he was surprised he played. I wonder if MT thought about putting AB under center instead of Jones?? :)
 
Well he has only been in the offense for three years now. I would hope he knows the offense. Yet even with all that knowledge he still turned it over a lot in practice. That is the reason he didn't get the nod over Vick. The team went with experience over youth. Not the first time a coaching staff has done that.
 
according to Tomlin, he never once thought of taking Vick out of the SD game or yesterday's game. It was Vick or bust. Luckily for Jones and Tomlin, it all worked out. Jones stated he was surprised he played. I wonder if MT thought about putting AB under center instead of Jones?? :)

You missed what I was saying. I know what Tomlin told the media. I'm just wondering why people believe everything that Tomlin tells to the media. Tomlin's job is to win football games, not to let the media / public know every thought that passes through his brain. Maybe Tomlin was thinking about benching Vick, but what is there to gain by admitting that to the media? All you are doing is embarrassing a veteran player (Vick) that you might actually need this week if Jones stinks up the joint or gets hurt.
 
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After watching Landry in all the preseason games I can certainly understand Tomlin's reluctance to consider putting him in the game! Regardless of how pathetic the limited Vick looked, he wasn't turning the ball over (pure luck). Landry looked lost and a 'click' behind on all of his throws in the preseason and easily could have had 10 Ints during his play against the scrubs.

That being said, I now have to give Landry the credit he is due. He immediately looked like the full play sheet was available to him (made a huge difference). He looked better in his decisiveness. He looked nervous but not rattled and got the job done. He was a surprising (to me) improvement over the 'Vickless' Vick. Maybe he had no time to get overly anxious? Maybe the OL gave him a bit more time than the pathetic OLs he played behind in the preseason? Whatever it was, he did the job. Credit to him for that!
 
For those who would like to see it here are Landry's 5 best throws yesterday.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...-jones-five-big-throws-in-win-over-cardinals/

The one to Bryant in the end zone was big time
 
The difference between Vick and Jones yesterday was as clear as the difference between night and day.

Vick seemed completely out of his element yesterday. Playcalling was geared to maximize efficiency at the cost of yards and points -- it's really as simple as that.

They couldn't move the ball before Jones took over, and then playcalling was moving down the field efficiently without having to protect the QB from himself.

What I saw in Jones was someone who understood the offense so he was confident in his decision making, where Vick was skittish and on his heels.

I can't say that I could have predicted that, and I gave Vick the benefit of the doubt for the Ravens game and he showed some improvement for the Chargers game. The fact that he couldn't get a successful pass game going while he was on the field versus Arizona was killer.
 
I remember when Vick led an 80 yd drive to beat SD.

Yeah, because for a very short period of time, he remembered he used to be an athlete and could run pretty decent. That's what he's always relied on throughout his career and at least part of the reason why he's been hurt so much of that time. Which goes back to lack of football IQ. The fact he pulled out a win in SD doesn't change any of that or the fact that Landry is, if nothing else, way more prepared to play the position in Ben's absence. I'll take his lack of game experience over Vick's very limited and rapidly diminishing skill set every time. Thanks for the SD win, Mike, but I truly hope we've seen the last of you as a Steeler.
 
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I was as critical of Jones as anyone, but you have to hand it to him. He was ready to go when called upon and did a fantastic job. As bad as Vick was in the first half, Tomlin should have put Landry in there to start the second half. Had nothing to lose.
 
All this debate about whether Jones is really good or not...

3 OF 8 FOR 6 YARDS PEOPLE! FOR AN ENTIRE HALF GAME OF FOOTBALL!

Is there anyone who thinks Jones or anyone else in the league is ever gonna do worse than that?
 
All this debate about whether Jones is really good or not...

3 OF 8 FOR 6 YARDS PEOPLE! FOR AN ENTIRE HALF GAME OF FOOTBALL!

Is there anyone who thinks Jones or anyone else in the league is ever gonna do worse than that?

A 12 year old could luck into a 7 yard pass completion I think. I don't want to hear the playbook excuses either, he had guys open and flat out couldn't deliver the ball. I guess the pressure of playing for an organization that actually wins Superbowls is something he never experienced before... but seriously, he is finished as a NFL QB.
 
Ive watched enough QBs to believe that you NEVER look at what the guy did in a midgame replacement. great ones can look like crap, horrid ones could have fatal flaws covered up by teams lack of gametape... if someone offers something of value, I snap it up... I saw enough fatal flaws in the preseason to have no faith that he will ever be anything in the league... and one game wont convince me otherwise...

his only redeeming value is that the coaches trust him enough to let him play, though given a few games that will probably lead to a multiple int game.


Sell high, buy low...

I get your stance and sure bring in another QB you need one with Vick hurt. So you cut one and add one for competition. But you don't get rid of Landry. He has plenty time in the system and is coming off a solid showing.

Fricken Thomas and Archer and Sham stink up ****, and you want to get rid of a guy that might be at least serviceable?

At this point Landry isn't on my top four cut or trade list..........
 
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Anyone who now says they think Tomlin is a dumbass for not playing Landry are total bandwagonners (not sure if that's a word). Everyone on here and in Pittsburgh, in general, didn't want the kid on the team after this pre-season even though he continued to slowly improve. Most said we should go with 2 QB's and dump him. Being out here in OKC, I hear that even more. They are quick to point out how Tomlin kept Jones but wasn't willing to play him and how the Pittsburgh fans hated Jones and they are 100% correct. So, like Vick, he now may be our starter for this week and we should rally behind him but don't for a second think anyone is dumb enough to believe that anyone on here was a fan of his prior to yesterday.
 
I posted in one of these threads that Harrison has proclaimed Jones the guy if Ben can't go.....

Tomlin should listen

if he doesn't ,listen, hope James takes control and makes him realize what is actually happening...
 
Anyone who now says they think Tomlin is a dumbass for not playing Landry are total bandwagonners (not sure if that's a word). Everyone on here and in Pittsburgh, in general, didn't want the kid on the team after this pre-season even though he continued to slowly improve. Most said we should go with 2 QB's and dump him. Being out here in OKC, I hear that even more. They are quick to point out how Tomlin kept Jones but wasn't willing to play him and how the Pittsburgh fans hated Jones and they are 100% correct. So, like Vick, he now may be our starter for this week and we should rally behind him but don't for a second think anyone is dumb enough to believe that anyone on here was a fan of his prior to yesterday.


Have never said I wanted Landry gone or not on team.
I liked the pick. I hope the best for every STEELER player.
Even cheered for Vick, which whom I didn't think was decent.

not calling you or anyone out, just saying there are plenty of people here that don't bash everything going on and just cheer for the team.
 
Before guys start getting too high on Jones, one thing you should maybe be concerned about, if you rewatch the game and all his throws, every single one of his completions came off the very first read. I think that was his biggest problem in the preseason, he didn't really go through his progressions and typically threw to the first read rather they were open or not. So before anyone starts thinking Ben 2.0, lets see how he does going through a full game where teams game plan for him and see if he makes the proper reads.
 
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congrats to Landry for his good performance, we don't need him to be Ben, just to make the routine plays and let the rest do their thing.
I know I didn't like Vick as an option but neither liked Landry. Hope this is the chance he needed to show what was expected of him when drafted and secures the #2 spot behind Ben
 
Before guys start getting too high on Jones, one thing you should maybe be concerned about, if you rewatch the game and all his throws, every single one of his completions came off the very first read. I think that was his biggest problem in the preseason, he didn't really go through his progressions and typically threw to the first read rather they were open or not. So before anyone starts thinking Ben 2.0, lets see how he does going through a full game where teams game plan for him and see if he makes the proper reads.

If your first read is open, why go anywhere else? More importantly, with Brown, Bryant and Bell in that lineup, I would argue the first read is going to be open a lot. KISS principle.
 
Kudos to Jones for stepping up when his number was called. Not a fan, thought he should've been a practice squad guy up till Gradkowski got hurt. I didn't like the Vick signing, id have went with Jones or someone else as Ben's backup. Im waiting for all the people on here who wanted to trade Ben 4 years ag0 because, "he is too old and on the decline" , to start coming out of the woodwork again . . .
 
Before guys start getting too high on Jones, one thing you should maybe be concerned about, if you rewatch the game and all his throws, every single one of his completions came off the very first read. I think that was his biggest problem in the preseason, he didn't really go through his progressions and typically threw to the first read rather they were open or not. So before anyone starts thinking Ben 2.0, lets see how he does going through a full game where teams game plan for him and see if he makes the proper reads.

Tell us again how great the Bruce is
 
Tell us again how great the Bruce is
I do like the Bruce, I think he's a great OC and his statistics have proven that. Now he does have a lot of risk with his type of offense but he calls better plays in key situations than Haley does. If the tables were turned, we know where we'd be with Arians right now, top offense again even better than we were before he left, if the Cards had Haley without Ben, Brown, and Bell I'm sure we all know the Cards would be a fail team right now going run run pass. But everything's working for Haley right now so I can't argue with results, but imo Bruce is a better OC in every way compared to Haley.
 
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