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A possible solution in Syria
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You assume much.
The only one that appears bamboozled is Bammy. ....or in cahoots. After all, didn't he just have a sit down with Vlad a week or so ago? And didn't he tell Medvedev that he would have more fexibility after reelection? Hmm.
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The short term for us as Americans is not bad. Let Russia do some of the heavy lifting for a while.
The long term is a disaster.
The precedence this sets is very dangerous and greatly increases the threat of an escalation of military action between Russia, China, NATO and the U.S.
It is clear by our policy that we have lost all ability to oust al-Assad in Syria. That ship has long sailed now. The world has basically allowed Putin to back him and any efforts to do anything could be an act of aggression against Russia. That's a path I don't think the west wants to take right now.
The next attempt Russia will make to push the envelope will be in Iraq. He will argue he is chasing ISIS and eliminating a threat to his nation (which might be somewhat true). But what is our position? We've left Iraq alone and they have done what any struggling nation would do... find alliances with people that are willing to help, i.e. Iran and Russia.
Again, I see no negatives for Russia to unite the Shiites from Iran to Syria and then permanently set up shop as a military force to maintain order in the region. Where the Sunni's go, I have no idea. Likely fighting the Kurds along the Tigris.
This all started with Iraq's defacto government that formed after the Iraq War being almost entirely Shiite. They decided to become non-secular and we allowed it. They decided (based on religion) to start to align themselves with Iran and we allowed it. Iraq decide to let the Sunni north and west go to chaos and we allowed it.
And now our lack of diplomacy and action has created the perfect scenario for Russia to re-establish itself as a world power and create a stretch of allies in the Middle East that rivals anything the west has geographically. It also creates a strong conglomerate of oil producing countries (Russia/Iran/Iraq) that can aid in manipulation of oil prices and production vs. OPEC.
I'm worried how all this shakes out and what the region looks like in 5 years. Especially because I think Clinton is going to win the white house.
The long term is a disaster.
The precedence this sets is very dangerous and greatly increases the threat of an escalation of military action between Russia, China, NATO and the U.S.
It is clear by our policy that we have lost all ability to oust al-Assad in Syria. That ship has long sailed now. The world has basically allowed Putin to back him and any efforts to do anything could be an act of aggression against Russia. That's a path I don't think the west wants to take right now.
The next attempt Russia will make to push the envelope will be in Iraq. He will argue he is chasing ISIS and eliminating a threat to his nation (which might be somewhat true). But what is our position? We've left Iraq alone and they have done what any struggling nation would do... find alliances with people that are willing to help, i.e. Iran and Russia.
Again, I see no negatives for Russia to unite the Shiites from Iran to Syria and then permanently set up shop as a military force to maintain order in the region. Where the Sunni's go, I have no idea. Likely fighting the Kurds along the Tigris.
This all started with Iraq's defacto government that formed after the Iraq War being almost entirely Shiite. They decided to become non-secular and we allowed it. They decided (based on religion) to start to align themselves with Iran and we allowed it. Iraq decide to let the Sunni north and west go to chaos and we allowed it.
And now our lack of diplomacy and action has created the perfect scenario for Russia to re-establish itself as a world power and create a stretch of allies in the Middle East that rivals anything the west has geographically. It also creates a strong conglomerate of oil producing countries (Russia/Iran/Iraq) that can aid in manipulation of oil prices and production vs. OPEC.
I'm worried how all this shakes out and what the region looks like in 5 years. Especially because I think Clinton is going to win the white house.
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relax - Bammy isn't going to do anything
U.S. will not directly confront Russia in Syria, Obama says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c1f7fc-6932-11e5-9223-70cb36460919_story.html
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He's too busy with more important matters
Obama admin bans pork products from federal prisons
The Obama administration has banned bacon, pork chops, pork links, ham and all other pork products from all federal prisons.
“In general we welcome the change because it’s facilitating the accommodation of Muslim inmates,’ said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper. “We hope it’s not an indication of an increasing number of Muslims in the prison system.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...minate-pork-from-the-menu-in-federal-prisons/
U.S. will not directly confront Russia in Syria, Obama says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c1f7fc-6932-11e5-9223-70cb36460919_story.html
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He's too busy with more important matters
Obama admin bans pork products from federal prisons
The Obama administration has banned bacon, pork chops, pork links, ham and all other pork products from all federal prisons.
“In general we welcome the change because it’s facilitating the accommodation of Muslim inmates,’ said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper. “We hope it’s not an indication of an increasing number of Muslims in the prison system.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...minate-pork-from-the-menu-in-federal-prisons/
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BHO is probably the weakest president I've ever seen. He makes Carter look like Reagan in comparison. The middle east is ruled by force and strong men. I don't like it but that's just the reality of the situation. BHO's inaction allowed Russia to just walk in. The real issue in Syria is the lack of proxies. Normally U.S. force at least allows proxy wars so direct conflict isn't necessary. That's gone now. Russia wouldn't be anywhere near Syria if not for this feeble middle east policy (and I use policy very loosely). Also while this is going on Afghanistan is still a mess. The U.S. will be leaving it soon. I wonder what will happen there?
I was gonna say, might want to ask why so many Muslims are in prison.
Cause the run by the white man keeps dem down
If you don't wanna eat swine, don't do the crime.
Obama doesn't make ANY decisions...
say it with me now....Obama doesn't make ANY decisions.
he's a well spoken pretty Afro American puppet....y'all hating him so much is silly.....
you REALLY think they let him "decide " a damn thing?
it is to laugh......
say it with me now....Obama doesn't make ANY decisions.
he's a well spoken pretty Afro American puppet....y'all hating him so much is silly.....
you REALLY think they let him "decide " a damn thing?
it is to laugh......
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Who are "they"?
I truly believe that there is a loosely tied network of industrialists, oil magnates, bankers, political operatives, etc, that exert a significant amount of influence over national leaders, including our President. These people have significant financial or geopolitical interests that may be put at risk by certain political policies, and when threatened, they have the channels or connections to impact policy. Is it some secret society, like the Illuminati? I don't think so. But it is not far fetched to believe that there are some very powerful people that hold immense political sway.
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My only issue with that is that most of those parties have opposite interests. Why would oil magnates allow BHO to waste billions in green energy and have other countries worrying about the bad effects of fossil fuels? Since they control BHO that should mean they control other countries as well right? Why allow Bush to go into Iraqi and then have BHO just abandon it? Why let Russia take over Syria? Why are interest rates so low when banks could make much more money with higher rates? I don't think these entities have as much control as most people think. They surely have almost no control over Russia, China and the Middle East.
Oh that is funny. But Booooshhh made every decision, don't you remember?
What are the odds on this being a selective argument, selectively used only to try to defend horrible Democratic Presidents?
I guess I liken it to the five NY mob families. They have competing interests, but sometimes letting the other guy have his keeps the peace, and is good for the whole. That, and politicians are always juggling competing interests.
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Never made sense to me. I get what you are saying but I don't see that in the real world. The 5 mob family are all mob families and can divvy out things. Helping one doesn't necessarily hurt the other. With banks, oil, industrialists etc... you can't help one without hurting the other in some cases. Everybody thought private unions were running the show years ago. Now most of them are gone. So did they really control things? Why would banks allow onerous rules and regulations during the past 6 years? It doesn't help the industrialists nor the oil people. Who exactly does it help? It hurts almost everyone. Just like most liberal ideas.
Not only that but why does BHO care anyway? He isn't up for re-election and he is just doing what he wants. I don't see anyone controlling him that way. He's the one responsible because he's making the rules.
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I ain't defending nothing, Hoss...sure sounds like you are though.....W was just as much a puppet...why do you think he had to have Cheney hold his dick over 9-11 when it came time to do the 'splainin'?
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Let? Who's going to stop them?
Saudis and Russia agree to cooperate in Syria.
Russia’s military strength has apparently impressed Saudi Arabia.
The new Saudi defense minister agreed with Russian President Vladimir Putin that both countries should cooperate in Syria
Russia and Saudi Arabia have surprisingly agreed on establishing closer coordination in Syria despite a number of disagreements. A meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and the new Saudi Defense Minister Mohammed bin Salman al-Saud took place in Sochi.
After the talks, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Dschubeir said that his country is in favor of a dialogue between the current Syrian government and the opposition and that it would support the idea of a transitional government in the war-torn country.
Thus, the Saudis have given up their plan to immediately overthrow Syrian President Bashar-al-Assad, which can be considered a great achievement
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151012/1028397831/saudi-arabia-gives-up-resistance.html
Get ready for 5 dollar/gallon gas soon
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Let? Who's going to stop them?
Saudis and Russia agree to cooperate in Syria.
Russia’s military strength has apparently impressed Saudi Arabia.
The new Saudi defense minister agreed with Russian President Vladimir Putin that both countries should cooperate in Syria
Russia and Saudi Arabia have surprisingly agreed on establishing closer coordination in Syria despite a number of disagreements. A meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and the new Saudi Defense Minister Mohammed bin Salman al-Saud took place in Sochi.
After the talks, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Dschubeir said that his country is in favor of a dialogue between the current Syrian government and the opposition and that it would support the idea of a transitional government in the war-torn country.
Thus, the Saudis have given up their plan to immediately overthrow Syrian President Bashar-al-Assad, which can be considered a great achievement
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151012/1028397831/saudi-arabia-gives-up-resistance.html
Syria, Egypt, and Jordan are all Russian client states. At one time so was Iraq. Ivan has always held influence over them.
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Obama refuses to give up on his Muslim Brotherhood
U.S. delivers 50 tons of ammunition to Syria rebel groups
U.S. military cargo planes gave 50 tons of ammunition to rebel groups overnight in northern Syria, using an air drop of 112 pallets as the first step in the Obama Administration's urgent effort to find new ways to support those groups
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/syria-rebel-groups-ammunition-50-tons/
U.S. delivers 50 tons of ammunition to Syria rebel groups
U.S. military cargo planes gave 50 tons of ammunition to rebel groups overnight in northern Syria, using an air drop of 112 pallets as the first step in the Obama Administration's urgent effort to find new ways to support those groups
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/syria-rebel-groups-ammunition-50-tons/
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More Obama backed terrorists checking in.
Syria Rebels Plan Suicide Attacks on Russians
After more than a week of Russian aerial attacks, Syrian rebels plan to hit back with double agents and suicide bombers.
“First, we will endure the violent aerial bombardment, then move to weaken Russia by all means available, such as recruiting agents in the ranks of the regime to provide us with the movements of the Russians and the regime,” Capt. Rashid al-Hourani, from the rebel Homs Liberation Movement
The Homs Liberation Movement — a division of the U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army — seems ready to use tactics associated with ISIS. “We will conduct martyrdom operations carried out by dissident officers,” al-Hourani said, using a euphemism for suicide attacks.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/12/syria-rebels-plan-suicide-attacks-on-russians.html
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The Russians need to rubblize mostly all of Syria
Syria Rebels Plan Suicide Attacks on Russians
After more than a week of Russian aerial attacks, Syrian rebels plan to hit back with double agents and suicide bombers.
“First, we will endure the violent aerial bombardment, then move to weaken Russia by all means available, such as recruiting agents in the ranks of the regime to provide us with the movements of the Russians and the regime,” Capt. Rashid al-Hourani, from the rebel Homs Liberation Movement
The Homs Liberation Movement — a division of the U.S.-backed Free Syrian Army — seems ready to use tactics associated with ISIS. “We will conduct martyrdom operations carried out by dissident officers,” al-Hourani said, using a euphemism for suicide attacks.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/12/syria-rebels-plan-suicide-attacks-on-russians.html
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The Russians need to rubblize mostly all of Syria
In related news ISIS was pleasantly surprised when 112 pallets containing 50 tons of ammunition landed gently in their camp overnight.
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yeah - I should have changed that headline to: ISIS receives 50 tons of ammo from Obama.
