Steelers sign Chris Boswell; release Scobee

[papillon]

Punting the ball from the 39 was a no brainer, when you take into consideration the Ravens had
2 receivers knocked out of the game at that point. The odds were that if you punt inside the 20, you get
it back around the 50.

I think the odds are the same that Joe hits a big one and gets them out of the hole, he's proven he can do that to the Steelers. He actually did in that game when he hit #11 for a big gain as Willie Gay was mollywhopping him on a blitz. I have no issue going for the 1st down to win the game right there with your best unit on the field. Maybe, not the best players, that can be criticized, but the decision to go for it, was good by me, it just didn't work out. Tomlin played to win rather than to not lose and many fans have been calling for that mentality for a long time.

I'm not sure why all the angst over the decision.

Papillon

 

[insaniti]

I'm not sure why all the angst over the decision.

Papillon

Because it didn't work. It's always the case with the gutsy calls like that, if it works, you're a genius, if it doesn't you're a moron and don't know how to manage football games. I might have run a different play than the Vick sweep, but I liked the call to pass to Brown, Vick just never got his feet set.

 

[papillon]

Because it didn't work. It's always the case with the gutsy calls like that, if it works, you're a genius, if it doesn't you're a moron and don't know how to manage football games. I might have run a different play than the Vick sweep, but I liked the call to pass to Brown, Vick just never got his feet set.

Yup, that's where I was at with the whole thing. I didn't like the sweep either, I was hoping quarterback draw or naked boot once I saw Vick with an empty backfield, safe plays with a good chance of success. The pass to AB was there, poor mechanics cost them.

Papillon

 

[AggieSteel]

But that's the thing.

You need to be aware of the fact that your backup QB is in the game, and your RB is the best player on the field. With the game on the line is NOT the time to get cute. We can say "poor mechanics cost them, it was a good call" but the reality is, when your backup QB is in the game, poor mechanics is a serious risk. I'd rather go down with my best horses than by trying to get cute and surprise them. So in my mind, it wasn't a good call. Maybe it's a good call with Ben in the game and assuming he was hot all game long. But you can't put a 4th and 1 in the hands of Vick there. Only a good call in a vacuum

 

[bermudasteel]

shoot anyone remember kris brown?

I'd rather sit in a bottomless chair and have fire ants crawl on my exposed balls...

 

[ZACKB]

This is what I have been explaining to people. With your backup qb in, you simply give it to the best rb in the game and tell the OLine to nut up and block their ***** off. Reduce risk and go with the odds.

But that's the thing.

You need to be aware of the fact that your backup QB is in the game, and your RB is the best player on the field. With the game on the line is NOT the time to get cute. We can say "poor mechanics cost them, it was a good call" but the reality is, when your backup QB is in the game, poor mechanics is a serious risk. I'd rather go down with my best horses than by trying to get cute and surprise them. So in my mind, it wasn't a good call. Maybe it's a good call with Ben in the game and assuming he was hot all game long. But you can't put a 4th and 1 in the hands of Vick there. Only a good call in a vacuum

 

[Vader]

But that's the thing.

You need to be aware of the fact that your backup QB is in the game, and your RB is the best player on the field. With the game on the line is NOT the time to get cute. We can say "poor mechanics cost them, it was a good call" but the reality is, when your backup QB is in the game, poor mechanics is a serious risk. I'd rather go down with my best horses than by trying to get cute and surprise them. So in my mind, it wasn't a good call. Maybe it's a good call with Ben in the game and assuming he was hot all game long. But you can't put a 4th and 1 in the hands of Vick there. Only a good call in a vacuum

Everybody on here believes this. They've even criticized other coaches for doing similar **** like Carroll. Many just aren't going to blame Tomlin no matter what he does. I'm sure people will chime in and say I always blame him. But I blame the players and the coach. When I see a stupid play call I'm going to call him out. He's the HC. He brought in the QB of his dreams in Vick. He calls the TOs and gives the ok for the play he wants run.

The problem is always percentages. I'm not losing a game on the back of a QB that was practicing with the starters for less than a week. The same people that defend Vick by pointing out that he hasn't much time in the system are also defending Tomlin for using him. It's ridiculous.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Everybody on here believes this. They've even criticized other coaches for doing similar **** like Carroll. Many just aren't going to blame Tomlin no matter what he does. I'm sure people will chime in and say I always blame him. But I blame the players and the coach. When I see a stupid play call I'm going to call him out. He's the HC. He brought in the QB of his dreams in Vick. He calls the TOs and gives the ok for the play he wants run.

The problem is always percentages. I'm not losing a game on the back of a QB that was practicing with the starters for less than a week. The same people that defend Vick by pointing out that he hasn't much time in the system are also defending Tomlin for using him. It's ridiculous.

See your trying to make the two situations the exact same. They are not the same. Similar but the same. The patriots were dead in the water. Had just given up another miraculous catch. And the next play offered damn near no resistance to another run. Whether they were stuck in between letting him score or just shellshocked. They offered barely any resistance. There was no need to pass. The ravens were offering strong resistance and even though Bell had 129 yds he was doing it by himself. A run call against a defense stacked in the box is way different on 4th and 1 and the defense is prepared to let anyone but Bell beat them. That being said I wanted Bell to get it because he was the best offensive player on the field. At the same time I can partly understand a pass call to Antonio Brown. The guy we all consider best in the biz. Who were the Seahawks throwing too??? When they didn't have too. The Patriots weren't even stacked up to stop a run. They mentally checked out. Except a rookie who wasn't there for he previous super bowl mishaps.

And secondly QB of his dreams? Seriously? What are you basing that on?

 

[21STEELERS21]

You also have to be aware that Vick has never been good at the short passes, like the one thrown toward AB.
If Ben is in there, maybe you go for it, with Vick I punt.

 

[Vader]

See your trying to make the two situations the exact same. They are not the same. Similar but the same. The patriots were dead in the water. Had just given up another miraculous catch. And the next play offered damn near no resistance to another run. Whether they were stuck in between letting him score or just shellshocked. They offered barely any resistance. There was no need to pass. The ravens were offering strong resistance and even though Bell had 129 yds he was doing it by himself. A run call against a defense stacked in the box is way different on 4th and 1 and the defense is prepared to let anyone but Bell beat them. That being said I wanted Bell to get it because he was the best offensive player on the field. At the same time I can partly understand a pass call to Antonio Brown. The guy we all consider best in the biz. Who were the Seahawks throwing too??? When they didn't have too. The Patriots weren't even stacked up to stop a run. They mentally checked out. Except a rookie who wasn't there for he previous super bowl mishaps.

And secondly QB of his dreams? Seriously? What are you basing that on?

There is one thing you are missing. Wilson was their QB... Vick was ours. Which guy do you trust more? Again both calls sucked HOWEVER, the Seahags had a SB winning QB who had thrown 2 Tds already in the game. Did Tomlin have that? Nope, he had a guy that had practiced with them less than a WEEK. Can you not see the issue there? Again you people criticize every other team in the league for doing **** half that stupid. IF the clowns did that you people would be laughing like hyenas. But because Tomlin is involved your "Can't criticize Tomlin" radar goes up and everybody and anybody must be blamed to protect him. Carroll was lambasted on here for a very similar call with a much better QB. Bell is averaging almost 6 YPC. Vick was averaging almost half of that and that was when the defense wasn't expecting him to run.

It was a stupid call. Period. And Tomlin wanted to bring in Vick before this year. So obviously he's wanted him for awhile. He's been on his mind enough to want him.

 

[antdrewjosh]

So already saying I would of given the ball to Bell isn't enough. I have to lambast the call as stupid and put it on the same level as the Seahawks. When it's not even close to being the same.. And how many clean holes did the Oline open for Bell? Was he or was he not doing it mostly on his own? So on 4th and 1 and your Oline isn't blowing anyone off the ball consistently and the Ravens being hell bent on stopping a run call, you can't see why they went to Brown? Yes I myself would of went to Bell and slept well if he didn't get it. But you can't see where Tomlin and and Haley or just Tomlin if you want decided to throw to Brown the best WR in the game. Even with Vick making the pass.

 

[Vader]

So already saying I would of given the ball to Bell isn't enough. I have to lambast the call as stupid and put it on the same level as the Seahawks. When it's not even close to being the same.. And how many clean holes did the Oline open for Bell? Was he or was he not doing it mostly on his own? So on 4th and 1 and your Oline isn't blowing anyone off the ball consistently and the Ravens being hell bent on stopping a run call, you can't see why they went to Brown? Yes I myself would of went to Bell and slept well if he didn't get it. But you can't see where Tomlin and and Haley or just Tomlin if you want decided to throw to Brown the best WR in the game. Even with Vick making the pass.

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He didn't do it all on his own. I think he had 1 or 2 negative plays the entire game. Right before they ran Vick he had 22, 5 and 3 yards. Any of those would have worked. Vick wore down because he wasn't in game shape which is why he had 3 runs for 4 yards after the first drive of the second half not counting his 3 sacks. It makes NO sense to run Vick in that situation. NONE. I can't understand why they would do it. I guess they wanted to be cute or look smart but I'd rather just win the game. Just like their reverse during the pats**** game. No rhyme or reason to anything... just pull something out of your *** and go with it I guess. Why hand it to the best RB in the NFL when you can put it on the shoulders of a 35 year old, 215 lbs, QB that had been shut down for the entire second half? It was ******* stupid.

The pass wasn't as stupid but it was still pretty dumb. You need 1 yard. AB is a great WR but he can't throw himself the ball and he is 6'0 tall. Vick is again not in football shape and struggles with accuracy on short passes. So what does the brain trust do? Yup, put both players in the worst situation possible. They make a left handed QB throw across his body on a short pass to a 6'0 WR. 5 of his 7 incompletions were to the right side. 5 of those were behind the LOS. So WTF were they thinking?

Since you guys love steelersdepot so much here is an article about his night.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...rs-vs-ravens-mike-vicks-week-4-passing-chart/

 

[blitzburghv5]

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He didn't do it all on his own. I think he had 1 or 2 negative plays the entire game. Right before they ran Vick he had 22, 5 and 3 yards. Any of those would have worked. Vick wore down because he wasn't in game shape which is why he had 3 runs for 4 yards after the first drive of the second half not counting his 3 sacks. It makes NO sense to run Vick in that situation. NONE. I can't understand why they would do it. I guess they wanted to be cute or look smart but I'd rather just win the game. Just like their reverse during the pats**** game. No rhyme or reason to anything... just pull something out of your *** and go with it I guess. Why hand it to the best RB in the NFL when you can put it on the shoulders of a 35 year old, 215 lbs, QB that had been shut down for the entire second half? It was ******* stupid.

The pass wasn't as stupid but it was still pretty dumb. You need 1 yard. AB is a great WR but he can't throw himself the ball and he is 6'0 tall. Vick is again not in football shape and struggles with accuracy on short passes. So what does the brain trust do? Yup, put both players in the worst situation possible. They make a left handed QB throw across his body on a short pass to a 6'0 WR. 5 of his 7 incompletions were to the right side. 5 of those were behind the LOS. So WTF were they thinking?

Since you guys love steelersdepot so much here is an article about his night.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...rs-vs-ravens-mike-vicks-week-4-passing-chart/

What is the basis of your "Vick is not in football shape" **** from ? Matt Leinart is not in football shape, Matt Hasselback is not in football shape (although he was signed last week by the Colts) Vick outran the Ravens defenders to get the edge on two runs that netted first downs. I bet he's still the better athlete than Landry and his footspeed better than 90% of the other signal callers. But whats the basis of your claims of him not being in football shape ?

 

[Chiba]

I hear that Vick was in football shape after the game. Patriots football shape that is. He looked pretty deflated to me.

 

[Vader]

What is the basis of your "Vick is not in football shape" **** from ? Matt Leinart is not in football shape, Matt Hasselback is not in football shape (although he was signed last week by the Colts) Vick outran the Ravens defenders to get the edge on two runs that netted first downs. I bet he's still the better athlete than Landry and his footspeed better than 90% of the other signal callers. But whats the basis of your claims of him not being in football shape ?

He ran in the first half NOT the 2nd. He was visibly tired. He didn't go through training camp and missed almost all of pre-season. But I guess none of that matters, the coaches just do that for ***** and giggles? He was struggling big time.

 

[keslerclan]

The 4th and 2 from the Raven's 39 was a VERY dumb call.PERIOD. We don't have the RB the Ravens are keying on in the backfield (where at least a counter or fake would draw some attention) BUT have that RB who the Ravens are keying on lined up in the slot to the SHORT side of the field EXACTLY where all the attention will be...and THAT is where Vick is designated to run a QB sweep???STUPID

We had Villanueva lined up to the wide side of the field as an eligible WR (he was open and in off-coverage by a guy half his weight BTW) and we run AWAY from him to the short side with both Heath and Bell on the LOS. STUPID

Ben would have read the coverage and threw the ball to Villanueva or just followed his 330# for 2 yards, IMO regardless of what BS call was made on the sideline.

The pass to AB on 4th and 1 from the Raven's 33 yard line SHOULD have been a kick BUT if you are going to "out" your slumping kicker on National TV, I would have had Bell on the field in some manner and had a run/pass option called where the ball ended up in either Bell's or AB's hands. It's short-sighted as Vader mentioned to have a left-handed QB throw a quick out to the opposite side of his body and carries a higher risk than kicking the FG but it at LEAST had a chance to work.

On Tomlin getting Vick on this team to start with: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutd...eeler-mike-tomlin-had-way-175209863--nfl.html

Tomlin wanted Vick fresh outa prison but the Rooneys said no back in 2009.

Even the 'old-broken down Vick" MIGHT have had a chance if the ****** play call had him run to the open side of the field instead of the short side. He would have had 89 feet instead of 70 to wiggle for 2 yards.

 

[bermudasteel]

I want to know how one "looks tired"? Did he look sweaty?? Were his hands on his knees the whole second half??? Was he going to the O2 pump after every play or offensive series??? I didn't see him doing the Kimchi-squat during the game to save some energy...

Your TVs is apparently better than mine. Where do I get one of those???

 

[papillon]

But that's the thing.

You need to be aware of the fact that your backup QB is in the game, and your RB is the best player on the field. With the game on the line is NOT the time to get cute. We can say "poor mechanics cost them, it was a good call" but the reality is, when your backup QB is in the game, poor mechanics is a serious risk. I'd rather go down with my best horses than by trying to get cute and surprise them. So in my mind, it wasn't a good call. Maybe it's a good call with Ben in the game and assuming he was hot all game long. But you can't put a 4th and 1 in the hands of Vick there. Only a good call in a vacuum

Vick had played a pretty good game, they called a play they believed would work and it didn't. Could they have run a better play? Yup, I believe they could have, using Bell or throwing him an even shorter pass and let him try to beat some one by himself, they opted for Vick and Brown rather than Bell or Vick and Bell, like I've been saying, not horrible, not the best and it should have worked.

Papillon

 

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

I want to see the Boz do this in a game. Pretty sneaky:

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[slashsteel]

Out of breath or just not as good bordering on washed up? I would go with bordering on washed up.

Vick has been on a downward spiral for years.

I would have punted or given the ball to Bell.

for whatever scenario you believe in,

with the O-line and back the Steelers have.... they need to be able to convert those short yardage situations............

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Do we know how Boswell has been doing in practice? Are his kicks above the line?

 

[Steel G]

Do we know how Boswell has been doing in practice? Are his kicks above the line?

Tomlin felt his ability to propel the prolate spheroid through the parallel posts was significant and is certain that this element will be decisive in allowing the Steelers to procure victory in future gridiron endeavors.

 

[Omar10213245]

Tomlin felt his ability to propel the prolate spheroid through the parallel posts was significant and is certain that this element will be decisive in allowing the Steelers to procure victory in future gridiron endeavors.

I read this post with professor frink's voice in my head, narrating for me