Could be a very good situation if they convert unguarenteed money to guaranteed (they don't want him going anywhere anyway) make him happy cause he gets his money now and possibly get him for an extra year. They are really holding all the leverage. If this was his last year it would be different. He can't hold out for two years.
Brown and Steelers negotiating???
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If there was no salary cap the Seahawks would be in the Super Bowl for the next 5 years with the exception of maybe a bad injury year. They are young extremely talented and their owner wipes his *** with 100 dollar bills.
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He can hold out but that doesn't help him with 3 yer left on his contract. He signed a contract that was higher at that point than his market value with multiple years left on his rookie contract. He took the new contract and it gave him financial piece of mind at the time. I would not redo his contract until he only has one year left. It is how the Rooney's do business. If he wants to hold out ....fine. It's his career but if I'm the Rooney's I wouldn't redo it.
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I will agree to this to a point. 2012 he signed a 43 million dollar deal with 8 million just in bonus money and had 787 yards receiving. Way under performed that first year and was way overpaid. After that he has played above his contract but I would only convert some salary into bonus money and throw some incentives into the deal at this point. If he wants the get "paid" a brand new contract I would hold tight to my guns and wouldn't budge. If he is willing to be reasonable I would be all ears.
You know, while tradition has a place, at some point the Steelers are going to have to think about redoing some of the guys with two years left if they are willing to take less than market for the extention... you can really help a cap out if you do it right and frankly if you pay the right guys, you end up with a good deal regardless.
Hmmm ... I guess that means it ain't happening then. Because everyone knows that the Steelers just run around shouting out there business before they make a move. I mean it would be atypical of the Steelers to have a meeting without announcing it for all and sundry.
That Guarentee info is a lie. Brown is $6M guaranteed this year in salary with a $9,787,500 cap hit.
Next year AB's salary balloons up to $8.25M with a $12,037,500 cap hit. Second highest on the team
In his last year his yearly salary is $8.71M with a $10,757,500 cap hit.
If the cap number can be reduced significantly by renegotiation, I'm all for it. If the reno makes it above these current cap numbers, he's going to play out his contract for 2 more years.
Next year AB's salary balloons up to $8.25M with a $12,037,500 cap hit. Second highest on the team
In his last year his yearly salary is $8.71M with a $10,757,500 cap hit.
If the cap number can be reduced significantly by renegotiation, I'm all for it. If the reno makes it above these current cap numbers, he's going to play out his contract for 2 more years.
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I think he gets paid plenty. No way in hell I break my long standing rules for anyone especially one making plenty already.
agree with TAS.
Don't care who you are. You agreed to a contract, stay with it. You'll get your guarantee when its about up.
Tough to live on that salary, tho...
Don't care who you are. You agreed to a contract, stay with it. You'll get your guarantee when its about up.
Tough to live on that salary, tho...
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I understand what you ate saying but when he inked this deal Brown was being paid well over market value for what he had accomplished up to that point. Hell I remember a lot of people bitching about giving Brown that deal. I questioned it. Now he blossomed as a WR with 3 years left on his contract....Brown has no leverage. If the Steelers stand pat and don't offer a new deal until he only has 1 year left and Brown desides just to play it out.....good for him. He might leave but we have 3 good years to work with the way I see it.
The lack of salary cap is what allowed san fran and the cryboys to buy teams and win their superbowls. During those years san fran was losing money every year and the steelers were earning ten million in profits. No salary cap would be the same as allowing the team with the biggest pockets to buy the championship and the small market teams would not have a chance of keeping players after the rookie deals.
Next year. I can see them stretching the "1 year left" rule to 2, like they have done with Ben, as he is in his prime and the best at his position. Stretching in to 3 years out sets a dangerous precedent for future players negotiations.
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And as we approach the end of his contract in 3 years signing Bryant will likely become our top priority over an aging Brown. Start messing with the cap now and that will never happen.
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Why didn't it piss you off years ago? The owners could do the same thing back then also. And let Brown hold out. In the the end if the Rooney's don't renegotiate then Brown still has to honor his three years. Brown was over paid when he signed it....why not be under paid now. It is not like he is playing for peanuts. And in 2 years he will get a new deal or if he wants to test the market so be it. Hopefully one of our younger WR's are ready to step into a number one roll. It doesn't piss me off if Brown holds out. It is his choice. Just as it is the Rooney's choice not to rework a new contract.
Here's why. I remember an interview with Dan Rooney in the '90s, in which he basically stated that they (the Steelers) would not conduct themselves that way. They would not ask players to take salary cuts, because they did not want players coming back in the middle of their contracts wanting to renegotiate. I will never forget that. Now, the Steelers, like all teams, have had to succumb to that. It is the way the system is set up. Why shouldn't a player have the right to renegotiate when his leverage is at it's peak, if owners can cut guys after a down year, when their leverage is at it's lowest?
Maybe I should not have said scrap the salary cap. What I meant really is what I would like to see in the NFL is a system more like the NBA in the sense that you can sign your own guys back at higher salaries at less affect to the cap. Something tweaked in that area. So, for example, the Steelers sign Ben to whatever his money plays out to, but only half or something counts against the cap. Only your own guys. You sign someone else's, the full weight of that salary goes to your cap.
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It does set a precedent, but I think if any other player can go to the ownership and make his case based on Antonio's situation, then it's a good problem to have.
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Steelers and Antonio Brown in contract talks
The Steelers and the agent for Antonio Brown are scheduled to meet Friday to discuss a reworked contract.
Brown signed a six-year, $43 million contract prior to the 2012 season. He's clearly outperformed that money, racking up 305 catches for 3,984 yards with 26 touchdowns over the last three years. Although the Steelers have a longstanding policy of not reworking contracts that have more than one year left, it appears they're going to make an exception for Brown. Market value is roughly $14 million in average annual salary
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/314579/steelers-and-antonio-brown-in-contract-talks
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AB's contract should be well north of this one
Colts do 5-year, $65M extension w/ WR Hilton
Colts signed WR T.Y. Hilton to a five-year, $65 million extension that includes $39 million guaranteed.
The Steelers and the agent for Antonio Brown are scheduled to meet Friday to discuss a reworked contract.
Brown signed a six-year, $43 million contract prior to the 2012 season. He's clearly outperformed that money, racking up 305 catches for 3,984 yards with 26 touchdowns over the last three years. Although the Steelers have a longstanding policy of not reworking contracts that have more than one year left, it appears they're going to make an exception for Brown. Market value is roughly $14 million in average annual salary
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/314579/steelers-and-antonio-brown-in-contract-talks
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AB's contract should be well north of this one
Colts do 5-year, $65M extension w/ WR Hilton
Colts signed WR T.Y. Hilton to a five-year, $65 million extension that includes $39 million guaranteed.
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The Rooneys do business a certain way, we used to be a run first smash mouth football team, you used to be able to hit QBs, you used to able to destroy WRs going across the middle, WRs did not get free releases, LBs did not get fined after the fact for no reason, and I'm sure the Rooneys would have given Troy the 5-6mil he was owed if he just played instead of retiring.
AB is one of the best players in the league at his position and he needs to cash in as much as possible right now. He has about 3 years left in his prime and he knows it. As other have said, we can just move the money in his contract about and lock up more of it as a bonus and spread it around so we have more cap room next year.
AB is one of the best players in the league at his position and he needs to cash in as much as possible right now. He has about 3 years left in his prime and he knows it. As other have said, we can just move the money in his contract about and lock up more of it as a bonus and spread it around so we have more cap room next year.
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Probably is real smart to try and keep a guy who is one of the best receivers in football and one of the hardest workers on the team for as long as you can.
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Seems like we already have him locked up for those years...
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We do but that does not mean he has to play. Since the team is so dependent on him, it's not like he does not hold a decent hand.
Wide recievers can often play a little longer at a high level than RBs and QBs... they just take less total hits.
In reality AB has outplayed his current contract 1 year and that was last year's unbelievable year. If you remove the 129 catches and 1698 yards from his 3 year totals you get 176 catches for 2286 yards, that's two 85 catch and 1100 yard seasons at 7 million per. Is he overpaid at that production? I know you can't eliminate last year, but in reality one epic year isn't cause to throw away a contract with 3 years left on it and rework the deal. Another year like that and the Steelers may rework the deal themselves, but I doubt they do anything this year, IMO.
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You're way off base here. The players open themselves to it by signing the CBA.
The trade-off is signing bonus'. A team can cut a player under contract but they don't get a prorated piece of the signing bonus back, and they take an accelerated hit to their salary cap. There ARE ramifications for the team. If the Steelers were wanting to cut Brown right now, it would most likely mean the he had made off on them and they were regretting the contract.
The Eagles and Redskins tried to put superstar teams together UNDER the salary cap, not without one. Your point isn't valid. And forget the signing superstars, imagine losing Beachum or DeCastro to Daniel Snyder so they could be back-ups on his left to right no salary cap All-pro line.
The NFL was the pioneer of the salary cap and other leagues have followed the model. Why would you want to get rid of it?