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Iran

See I don’t buy the nuclear weapons thing. The Israelis and to a lesser extent the American government have been saying for decades that Iran was just “weeks” or “months” away from a nuclear weapon. Besides, didn’t we destroy all of that last summer? You know, obliterated it? That’s what we were told. Which is the truth? You could understand why people might question the motivation behind all of this. The lack of success makes it worse.
just my humble opinion, but I believe we destroyed what we knew about. i dont think - with the state of our intelligence agenies - we can know 100% of what we say we know about any country now. we also destroyed their entire army and missile systems... yet they're still lobbing missles at us and other targets.
 
just my humble opinion, but I believe we destroyed what we knew about. i dont think - with the state of our intelligence agenies - we can know 100% of what we say we know about any country now. we also destroyed their entire army and missile systems... yet they're still lobbing missles at us and other targets.
I think they have independent militia like orgs in each of 31 provinces. Apparently each with some decentralized power and some toys left.
 
just my humble opinion, but I believe we destroyed what we knew about. i dont think - with the state of our intelligence agenies - we can know 100% of what we say we know about any country now. we also destroyed their entire army and missile systems... yet they're still lobbing missles at us and other targets.
And that’s the problem. The information that the government is sharing is not accurate, especially Trump. He’s the guy making these claims, and Iran has repeatedly proven him either a fool or a liar. Why say that we completely destroyed their army and missiles, when they are still shooting them at us and pretty much every gulf country? It doesn’t make sense.

You might recall, I was originally supposed to go to Kuwait in August and now I’m going to Jordan in October? You know why? The base I was going to in Kuwait was destroyed. Completely. The briefing we got, with satellite images mind you that were apparently doctored, stated minor damage. They are currently going through the damaged equipment on said base trying to salvage what they can before they shitcan the rest. Other bases have been hit much harder than this administration admits. It’s so bad we are basically abandoning Kuwait because they won’t let us build hardened permanent structures to better protect soldiers, civilians and equipment. Jordan apparently said, “Do what you want, we’ll take your money.”

I don’t understand the point in lying, overstating, exaggerating or whatever you want to call it.
 
And that’s the problem. The information that the government is sharing is not accurate, especially Trump. He’s the guy making these claims, and Iran has repeatedly proven him either a fool or a liar. Why say that we completely destroyed their army and missiles, when they are still shooting them at us and pretty much every gulf country? It doesn’t make sense.

You might recall, I was originally supposed to go to Kuwait in August and now I’m going to Jordan in October? You know why? The base I was going to in Kuwait was destroyed. Completely. The briefing we got, with satellite images mind you that were apparently doctored, stated minor damage. They are currently going through the damaged equipment on said base trying to salvage what they can before they shitcan the rest. Other bases have been hit much harder than this administration admits. It’s so bad we are basically abandoning Kuwait because they won’t let us build hardened permanent structures to better protect soldiers, civilians and equipment. Jordan apparently said, “Do what you want, we’ll take your money.”

I don’t understand the point in lying, overstating, exaggerating or whatever you want to call it.
Trump never takes blame / responsibility / criticism for anything. He is like an overgrown toddler who throws tantrums. How many times have we obliterated Iran and they are still going? He constantly makes assinine claims without any proof and people just eat it up. If anyone dares to question him, they get called names, fake news, etc etc....Trump was better than the alternative, but the amount of Trump worship is mind blowing to me.
 
Trump never takes blame / responsibility / criticism for anything. He is like an overgrown toddler who throws tantrums. How many times have we obliterated Iran and they are still going? He constantly makes assinine claims without any proof and people just eat it up. If anyone dares to question him, they get called names, fake news, etc etc....Trump was better than the alternative, but the amount of Trump worship is mind blowing to me.
I know, right? He's so bad. He's the kind of guy that doesn't pay up when he loses a bet.
 
Trump never takes blame / responsibility / criticism for anything. He is like an overgrown toddler who throws tantrums. How many times have we obliterated Iran and they are still going? He constantly makes assinine claims without any proof and people just eat it up. If anyone dares to question him, they get called names, fake news, etc etc....Trump was better than the alternative, but the amount of Trump worship is mind blowing to me.
Can you name a president that did?
And how you marginalize the fake news media. Trump has had every right to call them out.
 
Can you name a president that did?
And how you marginalize the fake news media. Trump has had every right to call them out.
Yep, I challenge anyone here to say when our Federal government was ever completely forthcoming. It's all based on the political slant of the observer and currently the left believes Trump can do absolutely nothing that's righteous, moral, or honest. The "news" media is a complete joke, pandering for viewership while appealing to which ever stance gets them the most viewers. Another example of Burgundy's take on follow the money.
 
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Trumps proposal would have given Iran way more $$ than Obama ever did. The issue with Obama's agreement was inspections were never followed up on and Iran just did whatever. You can partially blame Obama for that, but that agreement was signed by China, France, Russia, UK, and the European union which is 27 countries. You can also blame the IAEA for not pushing harder for inspections. To blame it solely on Obama is ridiculous and I couldn't stand the guy. Iran logistically is very little threat to the US. Uranium is a poor choice for dirty bombs and other medical or industrial isotopes would be more effective. If Iran attempted any use of a nuke anywhere they would cease to exist. I don't think even they are that dumb
 
Trumps proposal would have given Iran way more $$ than Obama ever did. The issue with Obama's agreement was inspections were never followed up on and Iran just did whatever. You can partially blame Obama for that, but that agreement was signed by China, France, Russia, UK, and the European union which is 27 countries. You can also blame the IAEA for not pushing harder for inspections. To blame it solely on Obama is ridiculous and I couldn't stand the guy. Iran logistically is very little threat to the US. Uranium is a poor choice for dirty bombs and other medical or industrial isotopes would be more effective. If Iran attempted any use of a nuke anywhere they would cease to exist. I don't think even they are that dumb
I think you are underestimating the propensity of people (especially religious megalomaniacs) to go scorched earth if they don't get their way. As an accountant who has dealt with the financial side of disputes (marital, business etc) I can tell you there are a lot of people who prefer 100% of nothing to 50% of something, if it means the other side gets nothing. I suspect that is where the Iranian leadership sits.
 
Trump was jealous of his pal Putin, who attacked Ukraine for a three-day "special military operation" in 2022 and has been stuck in a quagmire ever since. Putin, the undisputed king of military self-owns, must have inspired Trump's rudderless, belligerent foreign policy and military adventurism. If he can do it, why can't I?

Trump's unprovoked attack on Iran has been a master class in futility, lies and deception from day one. This latest forever-war in the Middle East has already cost US taxpayers up to $80-$150 billion, but who's counting? And at the Pentagon, 'roid-rage Fox News-host Pete Hegseth is proposing to inject American troops with testosterone shots to keep morale high. What could go wrong?

Meanwhile, MAGA faithful spend their waking hours bellyaching about Biden, Obama, and the impeding "communist!!" red scare that would have made Joseph McCarthy wince.

What an absolute, unmitigated mess this country has become. As the saying goes, elections have consequences. Ain't that the truth.

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Trumps proposal would have given Iran way more $$ than Obama ever did. The issue with Obama's agreement was inspections were never followed up on and Iran just did whatever. You can partially blame Obama for that, but that agreement was signed by China, France, Russia, UK, and the European union which is 27 countries. You can also blame the IAEA for not pushing harder for inspections. To blame it solely on Obama is ridiculous and I couldn't stand the guy. Iran logistically is very little threat to the US. Uranium is a poor choice for dirty bombs and other medical or industrial isotopes would be more effective. If Iran attempted any use of a nuke anywhere they would cease to exist. I don't think even they are that dumb
Obama sent the plane load of cash on pallets to them on his last day in office. he knew what he was doing.

so NOW you say that the inspections weren't done as agreed upon. I thought everyone to the left of Trump was saying the IAEA carried out dutiful inspections that were akin to colonoscopies.
 
Trump was jealous of his pal Putin, who attacked Ukraine for a three-day "special military operation" in 2022 and has been stuck in a quagmire ever since. Putin, the undisputed king of military self-owns, must have inspired Trump's rudderless, belligerent foreign policy and military adventurism. If he can do it, why can't I?

Trump's unprovoked attack on Iran has been a master class in futility, lies and deception from day one. This latest forever-war in the Middle East has already cost US taxpayers up to $80-$150 billion, but who's counting? And at the Pentagon, 'roid-rage Fox News-host Pete Hegseth is proposing to inject American troops with testosterone shots to keep morale high. What could go wrong?

Meanwhile, MAGA faithful spend their waking hours bellyaching about Biden, Obama, and the impeding "communist!!" red scare that would have made Joseph McCarthy wince.

What an absolute, unmitigated mess this country has become. As the saying goes, elections have consequences. Ain't that the truth.

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And be a doll and post a link to the great damage caused by Iran.
 
Extra large black to go!

And be a doll and post a link to the great damage caused by Iran.

Btw…WTF is up with you people with your wildfires? LOL

Getting smoked out here in Cleveland
And no, the picture below is not the way Cleveland always looks.
My back yard and sunroom smells like a campfire.

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Btw…WTF is up with you people with your wildfires? LOL

Getting smoked out here in Cleveland
And no, the picture below is not the way Cleveland always looks.
My back yard and sunroom smells like a campfire.

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As per the norm, Cleveland ain’t got nothing on Pittsburgh not even when it comes to hazardous air!
Check out this view from Mount Washington… looks like circa 1963!
 

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Btw…WTF is up with you people with your wildfires? LOL

Getting smoked out here in Cleveland
And no, the picture below is not the way Cleveland always looks.
My back yard and sunroom smells like a campfire.

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Weather channel is saying we’re supposed to start seeing that crap here in NC. 100 degree temperatures with heat indexes near 110 in a cloud of smoke. Should be amazing.
 
Weather channel is saying we’re supposed to start seeing that crap here in NC. 100 degree temperatures with heat indexes near 110 in a cloud of smoke. Should be amazing.
It was bad near Pittsburgh yesterday. We reached the maroon level air quality which is the worst. Today it has been better so far, but it is still halfway between purple and maroon. They shut down parks / pools / basically any outdoor activities today and yesterday
 
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