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Iran

Steeltime said:
Steelmann, my last comment was a joke. All nations enact protectionist trade policies. My point for the past several years has been that the United States doing so is the only occasion in my lifetime that such policies have been criticized.

EU restricts importation of American cars, and refrigerators, and bicycles, and wine, and bourbon, and wheat, and beef? No problem. China places tariffs on nearly every import since it was granted most favored nation status in 2000? No problem. NAFTA castrates American manufacturing? No problem.

Trump threatens tariffs?

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I would like to know where in my reply to you I freaked out or even mentioned Trumps name. It was in reply to you stating protectionism. I readily said Canada does it as well as the USA. And I have no problem with any country protecting their own farm industry. Along with their own natural resources.

So how your cute little meme directed to my comment is relevant is beyond me.
 
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Sarge said:
Oh we could and with relative ease at that. We simply don’t. Half the country whines about the force that we do use.

This country has weapons that are born of pure evil. Weapons that will do unspeakably horrific damage to enemy soldiers, equipment and infrastructure. Some of the technology is truly terrifying.

I believe that most of this stuff is to be used as the final solution before nukes become the only option. It’s why we never use it.

We could have forced Iran into submission. The main reason we didn’t is because we are running out of weapons stockpiles. It’s why Trump kept delaying everything. Between supplying Ukraine and the pointless venture in Iran, along side ongoing operations in Iraq and Syria, we are basically tapped out. We literally have the Ukrainian army in the Middle East teaching our military about drone warfare. We will be buying both offensive and defensive drone capability from Ukraine. Can’t keep shooting down $50k drones with $40 million missiles.

But back to your original point, we could. I just think too few people have the stomach for what it would look like to do it.
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I’m not going to doubt a military man.
That was actually good to know because I wasn’t feelin’ it.
 
Hypocycloids said:
I’m not going to doubt a military man.
That was actually good to know because I wasn’t feelin’ it.
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You would be stunned at some of the stuff we have. At times I find it hard to believe a human mind came up with some of this stuff.

We could have absolutely buried Iran. But there would have been suffering among civilians on a scale that may not have been survivable. Can’t do that. The requirement to spare civilians at all costs is always go to be a large portion of what holds us back militarily. The other part is the attorneys and politicians that create ridiculous rules of engagement that puts us at a disadvantage before the fight even begins.
 
Sarge said:
You would be stunned at some of the stuff we have. At times I find it hard to believe a human mind came up with some of this stuff
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I remember going to a torture museum in Prague. Filled with interesting devices from the Middle Ages. Of course you walked down these stone steps to a huge dungeon. Absolutely brutal instruments from way back when.
 
Sarge said:
The other part is the attorneys and politicians that create ridiculous rules of engagement that puts us at a disadvantage before the fight even begins.
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And that has been going on since before most of the population in this country were born, resulting in nothing better than a stalemate since Vietnam,
 
Steelmann said:
I remember going to a torture museum in Prague. Filled with interesting devices from the Middle Ages. Of course you walked down these stone steps to a huge dungeon. Absolutely brutal instruments from way back when.
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They had a museum of ancient torture and wine in Zielona Gora, Poland. Odd combination for a museum.
 
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Sarge said:
They had a museum of ancient torture and wine in Zielona Gora, Poland. Odd combination for a museum.
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They could add Floggy's posts to the museum for a comparison of modern and ancient torture methods.
 
Sarge said:
Oh we could and with relative ease at that. We simply don’t. Half the country whines about the force that we do use.

This country has weapons that are born of pure evil. Weapons that will do unspeakably horrific damage to enemy soldiers, equipment and infrastructure. Some of the technology is truly terrifying.

I believe that most of this stuff is to be used as the final solution before nukes become the only option. It’s why we never use it.

We could have forced Iran into submission. The main reason we didn’t is because we are running out of weapons stockpiles. It’s why Trump kept delaying everything. Between supplying Ukraine and the pointless venture in Iran, along side ongoing operations in Iraq and Syria, we are basically tapped out. We literally have the Ukrainian army in the Middle East teaching our military about drone warfare. We will be buying both offensive and defensive drone capability from Ukraine. Can’t keep shooting down $50k drones with $40 million missiles.

But back to your original point, we could. I just think too few people have the stomach for what it would look like to do it.
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I heard yesterday that DT had authorized manufacture of the Patriot missile systems overseas for use in Ukraine. Think about that for a second and everything wrong with Trump Classic versus New Trump. Let's bring the manufacturing base back to the United States and end the forever wars, yeah OK. I bet somewhere in that mix also Don Junior and Eric will be getting theirs lol.
 
Sarge said:
You would be stunned at some of the stuff we have. At times I find it hard to believe a human mind came up with some of this stuff.

We could have absolutely buried Iran. But there would have been suffering among civilians on a scale that may not have been survivable. Can’t do that. The requirement to spare civilians at all costs is always go to be a large portion of what holds us back militarily. The other part is the attorneys and politicians that create ridiculous rules of engagement that puts us at a disadvantage before the fight even begins.
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Romans Chapter 1 about the reprobate mind it mentions "inventors of evil things."
 
SojournerSteel said:
I heard yesterday that DT had authorized manufacture of the Patriot missile systems overseas for use in Ukraine. Think about that for a second and everything wrong with Trump Classic versus New Trump. Let's bring the manufacturing base back to the United States and end the forever wars, yeah OK. I bet somewhere in that mix also Don Junior and Eric will be getting theirs lol.
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I think they are actually going to permit Ukraine to build their own Patriot Missiles. Not a fan.
 
Sarge said:
I think they are actually going to permit Ukraine to build their own Patriot Missiles. Not a fan.
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The MIC must be losing a step if we are going to profit off forever wars at least let us be the one doing the manufacturing..
 
SojournerSteel said:
I heard yesterday that DT had authorized manufacture of the Patriot missile systems overseas for use in Ukraine. Think about that for a second and everything wrong with Trump Classic versus New Trump. Let's bring the manufacturing base back to the United States and end the forever wars, yeah OK. I bet somewhere in that mix also Don Junior and Eric will be getting theirs lol.
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IMHO….
I believe he is permitting the building of patriot missile systems in Ukraine, because I believe Russia is assisting Iran with satellite intelligence…

And if it’s not for that reason specifically, I am not in favor of it.
 
They are getting a license to build them. 25% if the production will belong to US.

The technology will be stolen or sold to China.
 
steel dino said:
IMHO….
I believe he is permitting the building of patriot missile systems in Ukraine, because I believe Russia is assisting Iran with satellite intelligence…

And if it’s not for that reason specifically, I am not in favor of it.
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There was a lot of speculation that both China and Russia were assisting Iran with satellite data. I thought Trump ended the Ukraine / Russia conflict even before he took office so I don't even know why Ukraine needs our missles
 
Bomma and Biden both allowed US funded bio-labs in Ukraine, even after Bomma stopped US direct funding in US in 2014.

This probably means a new version of Patriot missile D is at the ready.

This could also be a head fake, because they won't be available for use for a couple years.
 
xjx said:
They are getting a license to build them. 25% if the production will belong to US.

The technology will be stolen or sold to China.
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We were told that Ukraine was corrupt and had bio labs. Now we're going to give them intellectual property access to some of our most sophisticated weaponry.
 
 
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