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Judgement Day "Shady Brady" vs. Roger - OFFICIAL THREAD

If I were the commish, I would wait make Jan wait until Bruce I mean, Caitlin Jenner grows it's dick back
 
Wingman said:
Hell I'll work for 25% OF WHAT THE COMMISH MAKES and do a better job.
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I can't remember if you would then have to suffer with only 25% of $29 million or $44 million?

If you could just get them to call holding,take away the bullshit PI calls, and put the P*ts tapes on the interweb, I'd be grateful.

And get rid of that pink pandering bullshit in October.
 
Confluence said:
I can't remember if you would then have to suffer with only 25% of $29 million or $44 million?

If you could just get them to call holding,take away the bullshit PI calls, and put the P*ts tapes on the interweb, I'd be grateful.

And get rid of that pink pandering bullshit in October.
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Consider it done!:cool: Also there will be no more demonstrating for flags like marsha does all the damn time, that will be an unsportsmanlike like conduct penalty. Receivers will need to be wary crossing the middle of the field, no more defenseless receiver bullshit, the Hines Ward Rule gets repealed everyone will need to pay attention. There will no longer be a strike zone on QBs the whole body will be back in play, don't want hit get outa bounds. A late hit will require two strides or at least one second after the ball is gone by a defender before he is called for it. The QBs no longer wear dresses. All players are responsible for protecting themselves at all times if a runner can get hit in the head or a lineman so can the rest of those guys.

Better equipment will protect the players not trying to legislate contact from the sport.

The game will be snatched from:poop:

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OK, Mr.Commissioner Wingman, as AMBASSADOR to STEELERS NATION,,,,I'm just letting yaz know that you are always welcome to any get together / function / birthday party / ect. ect. , but know this........ If you are lean towards any fovortism of our beloved STEELERS team, we'll slap the **** out of you. I don't want you to get soft, like your previous commissioner. Carry On




Salute the nation
 
Well you can definitely bet I'll "carry on":givebeer::logo2::encouragement:
 
And uh, Wingman - how will you get out of the helmet contracts so you can outfit the players with new and better helmets? Seeing as you're going to allow defenders open season on other players' heads I assume you plan on getting better headgear.

I also assume you have a plan for the concussion litigation that will be coming the league's way in a few years. You're also planning on making player contracts honorable in the event of catastrophic injury, right? I mean if a guy gets his head or knees destroyed going over the middle in year one or two of a 5 year contract because you've loosened up the rules on an over the middle defenseless-receiver, I assume you're going to protect him when his career is ended prematurely due to a hit where his foot gets pinned in the astroturf and his leg is destroyed by a full-speed James Harrison going low on a leg that ends up not coming loose from the turf.

By the way, the owners won't pay to get you out of the current helmet contract because they're making money on it. And in fact they want you to come up with a way to increase revenue by 6% next year. And figure out how to increase women veiwership by 12% while you're at it. demographics show that the whole Ray Rice and Adrien Peterson thing really stalled women veiwership. Do something about that.

Not so easy, is it? Football isn't football anymore. It's entertainment, and big industry at that. The owners don't give a **** if you want to see QB's hit harder or if you don't like pink shoes. They want to see increasing returns on their investment and Roger gives them that. So as much of a douche as he is... he makes 44 million because they feel he's worth it. I mean just think about THAT for a minute. They're paying him THAT MUCH money because they think it's a good ******* investment.

****.
 
cheating is cool. Two hand touch is just great! And pro sports in general sucks ***.
 
wig said:
And uh, Wingman - how will you get out of the helmet contracts so you can outfit the players with new and better helmets? Seeing as you're going to allow defenders open season on other players' heads I assume you plan on getting better headgear.

I also assume you have a plan for the concussion litigation that will be coming the league's way in a few years. You're also planning on making player contracts honorable in the event of catastrophic injury, right? I mean if a guy gets his head or knees destroyed going over the middle in year one or two of a 5 year contract because you've loosened up the rules on an over the middle defenseless-receiver, I assume you're going to protect him when his career is ended prematurely due to a hit where his foot gets pinned in the astroturf and his leg is destroyed by a full-speed James Harrison going low on a leg that ends up not coming loose from the turf.

By the way, the owners won't pay to get you out of the current helmet contract because they're making money on it. And in fact they want you to come up with a way to increase revenue by 6% next year. And figure out how to increase women veiwership by 12% while you're at it. demographics show that the whole Ray Rice and Adrien Peterson thing really stalled women veiwership. Do something about that.

Not so easy, is it? Football isn't football anymore. It's entertainment, and big industry at that. The owners don't give a **** if you want to see QB's hit harder or if you don't like pink shoes. They want to see increasing returns on their investment and Roger gives them that. So as much of a douche as he is... he makes 44 million because they feel he's worth it. I mean just think about THAT for a minute. They're paying him THAT MUCH money because they think it's a good ******* investment.

****.
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I initiate a law suit against the present helmet makers for their product being unsuitable for it's intended purpose, protecting of the players heads. I join all the interested parties and their representatives. We then side with the players suing the makers of a bad product, all of us win.

The litigation will be defended by going over the rules in effect at the time they entered the league. They choose this occupation, just as anyone else in a dangerous job, they could have avoided it all by not entering into the activity. I also suspect that anyone or nearly everyone in the legal action played ball before getting to the nfl and should have reasonably been able to determine that participating in the game could subject one to violent physical contact and likely experienced it themselves in the past. Players that are not protected now do not have their money unless they reach an injury settlement, injuries happen to lots of players. This just eliminates discrimination and stops protecting one class of player better than another they will all be given equal treatment from now on. Players worried about their future can contract on their own with an insurance carrier as well just like some do in college.

Viewership will go up by returning the game to what got them viewership in the first place. A competitive violent game that can be officiated with out all the goofy judgement calls we see now. Reorganizing the game so that a quality product is put on the field and is available to all could do lots for that.

The stalling of the women watching will change after the abuse gets eliminated and the publicity goes down. An easy to access abuse program for wives and children baby momas and what ever else is involved will allow the players to keep playing but be penalized for such acts with the proceeds from those penalties going to the victims. A counseling and corrective behavior program will be instituted to help the players avoid this type of behavior in the future. Education and punishment of the offender as well as care for the victim should do a lot to restore the image and keep the folks with this as a hot button issue interested.

Getting a return on the investment can come from many ways. One needs to just look for more ways to find revenue other than the broadcast and merchandising that is presently out there. The NFL has mandatory things the rookies need to do to promote the NFL a simple thing such as selling the games on DVD and Blue-ray with out commercials from the stadium with the stadium sounds would be one area that the NFL has not looked at yet. The film could present multiple angles depending on the action and be available about 1 week after the game the format would allow the entire at the stadium experience to be had by viewers in their home. The games could be offered as a subscription for the season by each team and for the real sport junkies the entire division, AFC, NFC or NFL collect them all. The announcers will be that of the home team at the stadium. No need to pay the stupid network guys hear that phil sims!

If the league needs help with the camera set up they can contact the cheatriots (just kidding on the Last one)
 
First off, don't get me wrong. I'm all behind you as commissioner. I'm merely pointing out the difficulty of the job. It aint easy.

I do dig that last idea. I would absolutely buy Steeler games, heck SEASONS on blu-ray.

You can't initiate a lawsuit against the helmet manufacturers though. The NFL entered into a contract with them knowing full well what the product was. They negotiated a deal for a helmet and they got their helmet. No reason or cause to sue the manufacture. A better plan would be to go to the players and say, "We recognize that some players prefer different helmets from different manufacturers. However, contractually the league is bound to a specific company and model. But, as a player you may individually opt to use your own helmet at your own cost." If players are truly worried about concussion research and better equipment, they'll get the better helmets themselves, particularly RBs, QBs OL, DL and WRs. I'd also change the helmets as soon as the contract expires, but I wouldn't say anything about it as that would be an admission of liability regarding the current helmets.

Wait a minute... You're going to start a program that "fines players for domestic abuse" but allows them to keep playing? And you think this will somehow placate women? Yes maam. I know he hit you. We're going to fine him $25,000. And you can get some counseling from proceeds from that fine. But we're going to go ahead and let him play on Sunday because frankly, he's a GREAT wideout and fantasy football just isn't the same without him. But make sure and tell your therapist how that makes you feel. We'll pay everything but the co-pay! How do you intend to otherwise "penalize" the players? What sends a clear message that domestic abuse simply won't be tolerated? How do you build a program that also protects players against women who would take advantage of a system that damage a players reputation or career through false accusations?

If litigation is to be determined by the rules present when players entered the league, wouldn't that mean that players who have suffered concussions before your reign can cite the current rules and failings of those rules to protect them as a cause for reparations? I don't think you want to necessarily set that standard. For example, Currently the rules say that certain players cannot be hit in the head. Suppose Roethlisberger comes forward in a few years with concussion litigation and says he was hit numerous times in the head, clear violations of the rule in place at the time? His lawyer brings with him the "Terrell Suggs Highlight Video" showing 22 great shots of Suggs hitting Roethlisberger in the head. Sometimes they're sacks, sometimes they're tackles, sometimes they're just Suggs being a dick. But still, there it is in full color and HD, Roethlisberger getting hit in the head when the league rules said it was against the rules to hit the QB in the head and now Roethlisberger is demanding a cool 15 million in compensation for concussions he received while playing because the league failed to enforce the rules they'd put in place.

****, this job is HARD!
 
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Wait a minute... You're going to start a program that "fines players for domestic abuse" but allows them to keep playing? And you think this will somehow placate women? Yes maam. I know he hit you. We're going to fine him $25,000. And you can get some counseling from proceeds from that fine. But we're going to go ahead and let him play on Sunday because frankly, he's a GREAT wideout and fantasy football just isn't the same without him. But make sure and tell your therapist how that makes you feel. We'll pay everything but the co-pay! How do you intend to otherwise "penalize" the players? What sends a clear message that domestic abuse simply won't be tolerated? How do you build a program that also protects players against women who would take advantage of a system that damage a players reputation or career through false accusations?

No he works with out pay. The counseling is for the player to prevent it The fines go to the abused parties and the amount will be determined by the type of abuse. Just like a civil action damages will be paid and there is no obligation for the abused party to stay with the abuser. I never said 25,000 you did. Suppose a court would be willing to award 500,000 for the abuse that is what that party can get. Having him not play actually hurts the abused party as the income stream is cut off. First you protect them separation, then you pay them so they are provided for and no longer need to place themselves in that position. The financial hit and counseling should send a strong message to the player.

Investigations will be conducted it really is not to hard to find that out if it is a false accusation or not.

As to helmets the contract for the helmets specifies a product and certain uses of that product. You bought a car if the car failed to offer protection that was deemed adequate it would be unsuited to its intended purpose regardless of the contract expressed or implied. Same is true of all product defect cases.
 
Wingman said:
As to helmets the contract for the helmets specifies a product and certain uses of that product. You bought a car if the car failed to offer protection that was deemed adequate it would be unsuited to its intended purpose regardless of the contract expressed or implied. Same is true of all product defect cases.
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The players are suing the NFL not for any claimed defect in the equipment, but instead due to the fact that the league knew of the potentially devastating effect of head injuries for decades, and intentionally concealed the information from players.

"Seventy-five former professional football players are suing the National Football League, saying the league knew as early as the 1920s of the harmful effects of concussions on players' brains but concealed the information from players, coaches, trainers and others until June 2010.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/07/20/nfl.lawsuit.concussions/index.html

Further, I do not want this discussion to devolve into a law school debate about product liability, but your reference to what is known as the "consumer expectation" test is correct, but the claims against Riddell are not likely to prevail based on violation of the "consumer expectation" test or for design defect; instead, the better claims are based on "failure to warn" of known hazards and harm associated with using the product in its intended fashion. In fact, one Colorado jury "cleared Riddell of a charge that its helmet had a design flaw. But it found that the company had failed to adequately warn players of the risks of concussion."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ons-nfl-helmet-maker-marketed-one-such-anyway

Finally, the helmets do not prevent concussions, and cannot prevent concussions. A concussion is caused when the brain suddenly accelerates and/or decelerates inside the skull. Protective headgear can lessen the forces imparted to the brain, but the undeniable truth is that the only way to prevent the injury is to avoid the activity that causes the brain to slam into the skull - that is, to avoid playing the sport, or crashing the car, or getting punched in the face, etc.
 
The idea concussions in football are an equipment issue is ludicrous.

It's a COLLISION sport and collisions cause concussions. Plain and simple. And the more studies done on brain damage the more and more evidence is shown that even minor collisions can cause long term damage in high quantities. So even trying to eliminate the bone-crunching "Jacked-Up" hits really don't solve the problem.

The helmet is designed to prevent lacerations and to prevent skull fractures. That's all it is capable of really doing. It might have a minor ability at preventing concussions (just like using a mouthpiece). The padding inside the helmet can certainly absorb and decelerate the skull a minor bit as compared to nothing, but for the most part helmets are not effective in battling concussions and never really will be.

Eventually society is going to have to come to terms that many sports (including football) have inherent concussion risks and what amount of risks we are willing to accept for the sake of sport and competition and entertainment. Soccer has a concussion problem too and it's the most popular sport on the planet.

What is bound to happen is football will morph into reducing the risks as much as feasibly possible. That includes no 3-point stance. Changes in tackling methods (no collision tackles, much more like Rugby tackling where you have to hold on). Big reduction in practices with pads/helmets on.

It comes down to whether football fans/owners want to keep the high risk of head injuries like boxing and finally decide "this is how it's going to be" and let fate decide if kids play, colleges play and people watch. Or they radically change the game into something a lot more like sand-lot football/2-hand touch football with tackling that looks a lot like Rugby.
 
It's too bad. It's a helluva game.
 
Steeltime said:
The players are suing the NFL not for any claimed defect in the equipment, but instead due to the fact that the league knew of the potentially devastating effect of head injuries for decades, and intentionally concealed the information from players.

"Seventy-five former professional football players are suing the National Football League, saying the league knew as early as the 1920s of the harmful effects of concussions on players' brains but concealed the information from players, coaches, trainers and others until June 2010.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/07/20/nfl.lawsuit.concussions/index.html

Further, I do not want this discussion to devolve into a law school debate about product liability, but your reference to what is known as the "consumer expectation" test is correct, but the claims against Riddell are not likely to prevail based on violation of the "consumer expectation" test or for design defect; instead, the better claims are based on "failure to warn" of known hazards and harm associated with using the product in its intended fashion. In fact, one Colorado jury "cleared Riddell of a charge that its helmet had a design flaw. But it found that the company had failed to adequately warn players of the risks of concussion."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ons-nfl-helmet-maker-marketed-one-such-anyway

Finally, the helmets do not prevent concussions, and cannot prevent concussions. A concussion is caused when the brain suddenly accelerates and/or decelerates inside the skull. Protective headgear can lessen the forces imparted to the brain, but the undeniable truth is that the only way to prevent the injury is to avoid the activity that causes the brain to slam into the skull - that is, to avoid playing the sport, or crashing the car, or getting punched in the face, etc.
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I agree regarding the legal debate, but there is evidence to the contrary regarding helmets. Look at the helmets worn by race car drivers for example, speeds are greater, impact forces much greater yet you do not here of concussions in that sport. The thing that will change the concussion aspect of the game is the sudden stop vs adding time. Seat belts, and airbags apply the same principals. By allowing the head to decelerate in a more gradual fashion inside the helmet than current models the concussion issue can be reduced and maybe eliminated.
 
deljzc said:
The idea concussions in football are an equipment issue is ludicrous.
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Del it is not ludicrous, anymore than shoulder pads offering protection. There is a deceleration threshold that can cause a concussion. By changing the equipment to keep the head from decelerating at or above this rate concussions could likely be eliminated. The way to do this is provide a means for the deceleration to take longer inside the helmet. Due to the fact that speeds are all under 25 mph it should not be that difficult to design a device that will protect the head much better than what is now available.
 
Race car drivers don't smash their heads 85 times a race...
 
Wingman said:
Del it is not ludicrous, anymore than shoulder pads offering protection. There is a deceleration threshold that can cause a concussion. By changing the equipment to keep the head from decelerating at or above this rate concussions could likely be eliminated. The way to do this is provide a means for the deceleration to take longer inside the helmet. Due to the fact that speeds are all under 25 mph it should not be that difficult to design a device that will protect the head much better than what is now available.
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The science completely disputes your analysis.

There is no black/white line when a concussion "happens". There is no "threshold" of deceleration that defines a concussion. And it's not just concussion symptoms that indicate damage has occurred to the brain.

The more and more scientists study the effects of sports on long-term brain damage the more that they are discovering it's not just the "big concussions" or "getting your bell rung" that is causing the damage, but the very small, repetitive hits that can't even be felt at all during the game.

It's not just the knockout blow in boxing that causes the damage to boxers' brains. It's all the jabs, all the head bumping, all the glancing blows, all the sparring that over time causes issues.
 
wig said:
Race car drivers don't smash their heads 85 times a race...
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I hear that Jamaine Stephens is going to sue Mother Earth for causing his concussions, since his concussions arose from the only impact he experienced - when he collapsed during training camp during sprints and hit the earth.
 
deljzc said:
The science completely disputes your analysis.

There is no black/white line when a concussion "happens". There is no "threshold" of deceleration that defines a concussion. And it's not just concussion symptoms that indicate damage has occurred to the brain.

The more and more scientists study the effects of sports on long-term brain damage the more that they are discovering it's not just the "big concussions" or "getting your bell rung" that is causing the damage, but the very small, repetitive hits that can't even be felt at all during the game.

It's not just the knockout blow in boxing that causes the damage to boxers' brains. It's all the jabs, all the head bumping, all the glancing blows, all the sparring that over time causes issues.
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I think you have problems with science first air pressure now deceleration. If those little decelerations did what you say then all the folks from auto racing, fighter pilots etc would be suffering from concussions do to the acceleration forces they sustain. There is a certain amount of force that the body can absorb with out injury. A sneeze for example sometimes causes a violent motion of the head and neck yet folks do not suffer concussions from them. One way to mitigate the effects of the force is to extend the time. If the time of deceleration now is .001 when banging a head into something with the present helmet a great deal of force will be sustained during the deceleration. If through better design that force is spread out over .1 seconds that same force is drastically reduced.

Science that refutes your position and reinforces mine is available all over the place. The easiest anecdotal proof is the sensors that cause Air bags to deploy in automobile accidents. General rule never below 7 miles per hour when operating properly. Further one could expect them to all deploy at rigid barrier impacts above 20 mph. The reason they are so effective in preventing injuries is they extend the amount of time the deceleration takes, think of it like this double the time half the deceleration rate, once the threshold is found the forces can be kept with in the range of the body's natural ability to sustain it
 
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wig said:
Race car drivers don't smash their heads 85 times a race...
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But they are subject to G forces during acceleration and braking and over the course of a career may have many collisions, they have better equipment, there collisions are also at much higher speeds than what is involved playing football.
 
wig said:
Race car drivers don't smash their heads 85 times a race...
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Danica, might very well smash down on Ricky's head, over and over and over...........................




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