Steelers will reportedly decline Broderick Jones' 5th-year option

[Coryea]

Do you believe Kevin Colbert is a HOF GM?? If you believe that then that answers your question imo. Teams will do crazy stuff in the shadow of greatness no matter how ludicrous it sounds or looks after their twilight years have left. A 42, 43 year old Aaron Rodgers up until a week or two ago was allowed to lead this team around on a leash for the last 2 seasons. Its been 3 or 4 years since his last real run but they believe he still has it in him.

Colbert hadn't had a real good draft since 2017 but most drafts were really good prior to 2015. he was still hitting on 1 or 2 players after that time (for the most part). i have no reason to believe that KP was not Colberts pick. So yes, I do believe KP was a Colbert pick. I mean we cant act like Kevin Colbert is just a nobody.

I don't have any more clue who gets the majority of say than you do, IMO I don't think they're going to tell the guy that is coaching these players and the coach that is trying to implement their system, hey you're not picking the players you get, the GM will take them, figure it out. I'm sure there is give and take from both guys, but if the GM wants one guy and the Coach wants another guy, IMO the HC will win that tie breaker.

As for Colbert being a HOF GM, until I hear that he didn't make the picks, he is.

It just seems the kind of players we drafted changed once Tomlin took over, telling me the HC has a huge say. Maybe the GM ranks their top 10 guys at each spot, then the HC takes those 10 and narrows it down to his top 5. They'll never tell us so we can't come out and blame any one person.

 

[madinsomniac]

I mean are you arguing against me or for me? Nothing you said is going against anything I said, but I feel like that wasnt your intention based upon your first sentence. So either you dont understand context or you need to do a quick rundown of the comments so you can know who you really need to be replying to (because its not me) and stop jumping in the middle of conversations.

Whether or not Dan Moore "took it upon himself" to start practicing on the right side of the line is irrelevant for 2 reasons.

1) he was a 4th rd pick playing like a 4th rd pick and the Steelers had just drafted a tackle in the first rd so he knew his days were numbered no matter what.

2) regardless of whether he stated or not he took it upon himself to practice on the right coaches still have to put who they think is better suited to protect their QBs blindside and clearly the coaching staff thought Dan Moore was better at the time rather than the 1st rd reach who was a project.

Mike tomlin has a laundry list of better players he kept out of position or kept on the bench for years catering to other players he preferred... unless you think Cam heyward should have not started his first 3 years because Ziggy Hood was a better player...

or if you think Marcus Wheaton should have started over Martavis Bryant for two years, then finally be replaced by the combo of Eli Rodgrs and Cobi Hamilton...

or lets look at the curious case of Kevin Dotson.. people here wanted him starting as a rookie in 2020, but instead Fieler started over him because of experianced... for 3 ******* years Fieler started over him at LG, and the reasons they gave us were all BS..one of which was he wasnt as good at LG.. then Decastro retired and Fieler left, and both G spots were open, and they stuck him at LG... then unceremoniously dumped him on LA... where he would become a stellar RG...

 

[NoKap#7]

I don't have any more clue who gets the majority of say than you do, IMO I don't think they're going to tell the guy that is coaching these players and the coach that is trying to implement their system, hey you're not picking the players you get, the GM will take them, figure it out. I'm sure there is give and take from both guys, but if the GM wants one guy and the Coach wants another guy, IMO the HC will win that tie breaker.

As for Colbert being a HOF GM, until I hear that he didn't make the picks, he is.

It just seems the kind of players we drafted changed once Tomlin took over, telling me the HC has a huge say. Maybe the GM ranks their top 10 guys at each spot, then the HC takes those 10 and narrows it down to his top 5. They'll never tell us so we can't come out and blame any one person.

Yeah, I just think that Colberts and Tomlins relationship was a lot more fluid and respectful of boundaries then Cowhers and Donahue where they were stepping on each others toes...you know what im saying? So i dont get the impression that Tomlin would attempt to supersede any decision making of Colbert as opposed to Cowher and Donahue which appears to have gotten toxic. I have no doubt Tomlin had a lot of input, but final say, no, unless either says or its revealed different.

A GM has specific title requirements and a coach has specific title requirements for his job unless the public, media, fans are told different. Don't speculate on anything because it takes away from the credit or criticism warranted. Like I said previously I dont see what the big deal is with putting it out there if the scope of responsibilities goes beyond regular job title responsibilities. The Steelers had no problem with announcing MM would handle the play calling responsibilities essentially making him HC and OC so it just doesnt seem like that big of a deal to me. transparency always seems to go much further with instilling confidence or belief then lying or hiding something...or it should at least.

 

[NoKap#7]

Mike tomlin has a laundry list of better players he kept out of position or kept on the bench for years catering to other players he preferred... unless you think Cam heyward should have not started his first 3 years because Ziggy Hood was a better player...

or if you think Marcus Wheaton should have started over Martavis Bryant for two years, then finally be replaced by the combo of Eli Rodgrs and Cobi Hamilton...

or lets look at the curious case of Kevin Dotson.. people here wanted him starting as a rookie in 2020, but instead Fieler started over him because of experianced... for 3 ******* years Fieler started over him at LG, and the reasons they gave us were all BS..one of which was he wasnt as good at LG.. then Decastro retired and Fieler left, and both G spots were open, and they stuck him at LG... then unceremoniously dumped him on LA... where he would become a stellar RG...

1 Player in 20+ seasons going on to have better production then he had in Pittsburgh is not an indictment. I know Kevin Dotson is always yall go to in these conversations regarding player development, but thats all yall got. Even if you came up with a handful of players it still wouldnt be an indictment.

35-40 different pro bowl players and, 16 different players first or second team all pro honors. Sometimes it just takes time for players to get their footing. Some positions may take more time then others to settle in, some positions you have to compensate by just putting the best available player at that position due to injuries, etc until order can be restored.

I can't say what led to some of the decision making you mentioned and wont attempt to without having been in the film rooms, or on practice fields. Im sure draft positions play a part, film study, health, football IQ, maybe even attitude...who knows?? One thing I've always been critical of Tomlin about is who he had on his coaching staff....his loyalty was indeed to a fault some times and he certainly seemed to have dropped the ball on the OL coaching selection.

That being said you can go throughout all 30+ teams and see where coaches played players out of their position in college or delayed playing certain players due to injury or experience, etc or made head scratching player personnel decisions. I just dont think there's criticism here that is foreign to coaching.

 

[Coryea]

Mike tomlin has a laundry list of better players he kept out of position or kept on the bench for years catering to other players he preferred... unless you think Cam heyward should have not started his first 3 years because Ziggy Hood was a better player...

or if you think Marcus Wheaton should have started over Martavis Bryant for two years, then finally be replaced by the combo of Eli Rodgrs and Cobi Hamilton...

or lets look at the curious case of Kevin Dotson.. people here wanted him starting as a rookie in 2020, but instead Fieler started over him because of experianced... for 3 ******* years Fieler started over him at LG, and the reasons they gave us were all BS..one of which was he wasnt as good at LG.. then Decastro retired and Fieler left, and both G spots were open, and they stuck him at LG... then unceremoniously dumped him on LA... where he would become a stellar RG...

Don't forget Kendrick Green, LOL, a 3rd round G that never played center is named your starter at C in front of your aging QB.

 

[NoKap#7]

Don't forget Kendrick Green, LOL, a 3rd round G that never played guard is named your starter at C in front of your aging QB.

I know you meant 3rd rd guard that never played center but Kendrick Green had 4 starts at center at Illinois. His last four games actually. Clearly the Steelers had an appreciation for his diversity on such short notice. They were hoping for MP 2.0 having similar builds and demeanor. It didnt work out. Blame the draft...not KG or Tomlin. The Steelers had solid chances at both Linderbaum and Humphries before even considering KG. Sometimes bad drafts create chain effects.

 

[jitter77]

The general rule is actually you go with the lesser of two evils. I understand your point, but once again I ask everyone who is trying to downplay the Okorafor bad play and Fautaunu injury who would you have you played on the rt side?? Out of all the people who have responded to me and upvoted the comments of people opposed to my view no one has answered that question.

Once again Moore had only played one game ever at RT between his college and professional career even to this point. You cant put him on the right side SO HE IS NOT AND WAS NOT AN OPTION.

The LT protects the blind side of right handed QBs. We used a premium pick on Jones for this purpose. I don't know if we even tried Moore at RT, but the best tackle should be in the left. You can debate or not whether Jones was the best tackle but he was drafted to be the franchise LT. Moving him did not do him any favors and his comments / attitude reflected that. I do think Jones should have embraced the situation better, but moving him created 2 issues in the line. Moore or whoever could have been protected on the right by a TE or chipping RB. Moving Jones was just not the best move for the team or Jones

 

[Coryea]

I know you meant 3rd rd guard that never played center but Kendrick Green had 4 starts at center at Illinois. His last four games actually. Clearly the Steelers had an appreciation for his diversity on such short notice. They were hoping for MP 2.0 having similar builds and demeanor. It didnt work out. Blame the draft...not KG or Tomlin. The Steelers had solid chances at both Linderbaum and Humphries. Sometimes bad drafts create chain effects.

Yeah 3 games as Junior, also said he wasn't comfortable at center because of the mental game it took to be a center.

 

[NoKap#7]

The LT protects the blind side of right handed QBs. We used a premium pick on Jones for this purpose. I don't know if we even tried Moore at RT, but the best tackle should be in the left. You can debate or not whether Jones was the best tackle but he was drafted to be the franchise LT. Moving him did not do him any favors and his comments / attitude reflected that. I do think Jones should have embraced the situation better, but moving him created 2 issues in the line. Moore or whoever could have been protected on the right by a TE or chipping RB. Moving Jones was just not the best move for the team or Jones

I understand your points completely and although all valid I would approach it with this mindset....as the higher pick i would expect you to be more versatile then the lower picks. I expect my best lineman to be able to play anywhere I need you on the line especially my weakest point.

Im trying to paint a better picture, but its like 2 breaking points. If I place my strongest bind at the weakest leak point then I feel like theres a chance that any lesser bind can hold up at the second weakest point .jones is your #1 pick. If I believed there was someone I could move around on the line it would be him. I expect him to be more flexible. I think thats why people have a problem with Watt. He wants to stay in one place rather then move around and try and create match-up issues.

If they place anyone other then Jones at the RT I think its a disaster...or more so then it was. I think thats why I havent gotten a response from anyone as ro who they would have had there otherwise.

 

[Coryea]

The LT protects the blind side of right handed QBs. We used a premium pick on Jones for this purpose. I don't know if we even tried Moore at RT, but the best tackle should be in the left. You can debate or not whether Jones was the best tackle but he was drafted to be the franchise LT. Moving him did not do him any favors and his comments / attitude reflected that. I do think Jones should have embraced the situation better, but moving him created 2 issues in the line. Moore or whoever could have been protected on the right by a TE or chipping RB. Moving Jones was just not the best move for the team or Jones

I wonder how many LT's are taken that high in round 1, then don't play LT in the first 3 years as an NFL player.

 

[NoKap#7]

I wonder how many LT's are taken that high in round 1, then don't play LT in the first 3 years as an NFL player.

Im assuming your comment has nothing to do with Jones right? and just a general inquiry?? Jones started at left tackle his rookie season in a game against the Ravens in 2023 then took over full duty LT in 2025.

 

[NoKap#7]

The LT protects the blind side of right handed QBs. We used a premium pick on Jones for this purpose. I don't know if we even tried Moore at RT, but the best tackle should be in the left. You can debate or not whether Jones was the best tackle but he was drafted to be the franchise LT. Moving him did not do him any favors and his comments / attitude reflected that. I do think Jones should have embraced the situation better, but moving him created 2 issues in the line. Moore or whoever could have been protected on the right by a TE or chipping RB. Moving Jones was just not the best move for the team or Jones

Out of curiosity because I havent looked back at your posts...have there been instances where you criticized TJ Watt for not moving around on the line to open up opportunities for pressure on the QBs?? If so, how do reconcile what you have posted here and your thoughts regarding Watt??

 

[jitter77]

Out of curiosity because I havent looked back at your posts...have there been instances where you criticized TJ Watt for not moving around on the line to open up opportunities for pressure on the QBs?? If so, how do reconcile what you have posted here and your thoughts regarding Watt??

Moving a player around a couple times a game is not the same as having him fully switch sides or positions. overall I do feel they should help Watt more scheme wise. Right now it's line up and beat 2-3 guys. There are various ways to help TJ out, stunts, moving people around, overloading one side etc etc....I would love to see TJ, Highsmith, and Herbig on the field together for a specialty package.

 

[NoKap#7]

Moving a player around a couple times a game is not the same as having him fully switch sides or positions. overall I do feel they should help Watt more scheme wise. Right now it's line up and beat 2-3 guys. There are various ways to help TJ out, stunts, moving people around, overloading one side etc etc....I would love to see TJ, Highsmith, and Herbig on the field together for a specialty package.

Well that's the luxury of defensive line play as opposed to offensive line...players being able to move around free will in play....but you understand the point of moving your best player around to help the team...especially on the line. Agree with all your points regarding Watt btw, but he seems a bit reluctant to switch up at times from what I can tell also .

 

[madinsomniac]

1 Player in 20+ seasons going on to have better production then he had in Pittsburgh is not an indictment. I know Kevin Dotson is always yall go to in these conversations regarding player development, but thats all yall got. Even if you came up with a handful of players it still wouldnt be an indictment.

35-40 different pro bowl players and, 16 different players first or second team all pro honors. Sometimes it just takes time for players to get their footing. Some positions may take more time then others to settle in, some positions you have to compensate by just putting the best available player at that position due to injuries, etc until order can be restored.

I can't say what led to in some of the decision making you mentioned and wont attempt to without having been in the film rooms, practice fields. Im sure draft positions play a part, film study, health, football IQ...who knows?? One thing I've always been critical of Tomlin about is who he had on his coaching staff....his loyalty was indeed to a fault some times and he certainly seemed to have dropped the ball on the OL coaching selection.

That being said you can go throughout all 30+ teams and see where coaches played players out of their position in college or delayed playing certain players due to injury or experience, etc or made head scratching player personnel decisions. I just dont think there's criticism here that is foreign to coaching.

I gave a handful of examples of players who he had better options on the roster and played someone over them regardless... and it wasnt comprehensive... it was a couple of examples off the top of my head...

There are plenty of players besides Dotson that fit your were better elsewhere criteria if you look... off the top of my head, Hargrave, whom we inexplicably played at NT, was far better as a standard DT elsewhere... tge aforementioned Ziggy Hood proved in Washington that he was an effective NT, not a DE/DT... half the CBs we scapegoated our secondary issues on were effective elsewhere... Cutting Steven Nelson was a huge mistake.... his last season in Houston before injuries sunk him the passer rating vs him was like 70 and he was talking **** on Tomlin and the Steelers...
Letting Mike Hilton walk gave Cinci the piece they needed to make the SB in 21... arthur Mullett had his worse two seasons with us then had two exemplary ones for Baltimore... Donte Jackson had a hell of a season last year for the chargers...

Devon Bush had a pro bowl worthy season last year for the Browns.. Robert Spilane has been a beast the past 3 years since escaping this black hole of a D for Ilbs...

Dont dishonestly act like Dotson is an isolated case

 

[NoKap#7]

I gave a handful of examples of players who he had better options on the roster and played someone over them regardless... and it wasnt comprehensive... it was a couple of examples off the top of my head...

There are plenty of players besides Dotson that fit your were better elsewhere criteria if you look... off the top of my head, Hargrave, whom we inexplicably played at NT, was far better as a standard DT elsewhere... tge aforementioned Ziggy Hood proved in Washington that he was an effective NT, not a DE/DT... half the CBs we scapegoated our secondary issues on were effective elsewhere... Cutting Steven Nelson was a huge mistake.... his last season in Houston before injuries sunk him the passer rating vs him was like 70 and he was talking **** on Tomlin and the Steelers...
Letting Mike Hilton walk gave Cinci the piece they needed to make the SB in 21... arthur Mullett had his worse two seasons with us then had two exemplary ones for Baltimore... Donte Jackson had a hell of a season last year for the chargers...

Devon Bush had a pro bowl worthy season last year for the Browns.. Robert Spilane has been a beast the past 3 years since escaping this black hole of a D for Ilbs...

Dont dishonestly act like Dotson is an isolated case

A lot of the players you mentioned (i.e. Hargrave, Hilton, Nelson, Jackson) were cap decisions and you know it so dont get stupid about this. All those players had just as productive careers for the Steelers as they did with their next team. Let's try and separate business decisions from player development issues otherwise theres no need to have the conversation because its a clearly biased take.

I could care less what you think of Bush or Spillane or Ziggy Hood, Mullet or any other mid tier player you try to bring up. They're serviceable at best. Theres nothing that warranted keeping any of those players for what they would bring to the table . They are and have been what they were for the Steelers. Unless you got Pro Bowler or All Pro in front of their name since leaving (including Dotson)...which you dont have!!!... you're just making a ant hill into a mole hill. You're clearly exaggerating the loss of these players and its borderline pathetic while at the same time trying to claim somebody is being dishonest regarding their view of these players. Steelers were not going to be better off for keeping any of them and there is no regret regarding most if not all of them since they've left. If so, how many posts do you have where you cried about it when they were let go?? I want to see them.

I feel pretty good about how I feel about any of the players you mentioned other than the ones they couldnt afford to pay, but why would you even bring those players up??? Thats plain silly when you flat out know the circumstances!! C'mon man do better.

 

[insaniti]

Can't handle the truth. Deal with it. You cant point out one lie told in my comments. Sorry you were breastfeeding into your teens and cant handle adversity to a thought you have. Not changing my position because you got your panties in a bunch Karen.

You're right, I can't point out any lies, because you can't lie about OPINIONS. They aren't facts, they are YOUR OPINIONS. And you continue to insult anyone and everyone who happens to disagree with you. You act like a 12 year old kid who just got access to the internet for the first time. Name calling, badgering posters, and flat out just being an *******. MAYBE, just maybe you could actually have a discussion with people if you understood how to accept others opinions, even if you don't agree with them. But no, you are the only one that can possibly be correct on anything...

 

[stillwright]

You're right, I can't point out any lies, because you can't lie about OPINIONS. They aren't facts, they are YOUR OPINIONS. And you continue to insult anyone and everyone who happens to disagree with you. You act like a 12 year old kid who just got access to the internet for the first time. Name calling, badgering posters, and flat out just being an *******. MAYBE, just maybe you could actually have a discussion with people if you understood how to accept others opinions, even if you don't agree with them. But no, you are the only one that can possibly be correct on anything...

Probably a lib.

 

[Litos]

You're right, I can't point out any lies, because you can't lie about OPINIONS. They aren't facts, they are YOUR OPINIONS. And you continue to insult anyone and everyone who happens to disagree with you. You act like a 12 year old kid who just got access to the internet for the first time. Name calling, badgering posters, and flat out just being an *******. MAYBE, just maybe you could actually have a discussion with people if you understood how to accept others opinions, even if you don't agree with them. But no, you are the only one that can possibly be correct on anything...

He feels pretty good about how he feels for those players, that tells you everything

 

[NoKap#7]

He feels pretty good about how he feels for those players, that tells you everything

Feels pretty good about who?? Another late to the party not knowing wtf you talking about seems like to me.

 

[NoKap#7]

Probably a lib.

Thought there were no political discussions in these threads?? You wanna go there?

 

[stillwright]

Thought there were no political discussions in these threads?? You wanna go there?

We can go to the political forum you libtard.

 

[NoKap#7]

We can go to the political forum you libtard.

I really dont vote bro. You good. Funny though.

 

[Litos]

Feels pretty good about who?? Another late to the party not knowing wtf you talking about seems like to me.

All right, if you can't even understand what you wrote there's nothing much to say right? Have a nice day mr apologist.

 

[slashsteel]

You're right, I can't point out any lies, because you can't lie about OPINIONS. They aren't facts, they are YOUR OPINIONS. And you continue to insult anyone and everyone who happens to disagree with you. You act like a 12 year old kid who just got access to the internet for the first time. Name calling, badgering posters, and flat out just being an *******. MAYBE, just maybe you could actually have a discussion with people if you understood how to accept others opinions, even if you don't agree with them. But no, you are the only one that can possibly be correct on anything...

Unfortunately we have a few of these types here.

He definitely can be included in the exclusive club.