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Iran

Troglodyte said:
What was the objective, has it been achieved, and why is the U.S. negotiating with Iran?
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Yet another diversion from the *** beating facts have on you. And an admission of defeat. Thank you.

The objectives are publicly available on the internet, many have been achieved, and we are negotiating to achieve them - if you knew the objectives.
 
Troglodyte said:
Dodge! Deflect! You can’t, you won’t, you’re in a cult.
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Nope. I addressed your claims. Your post, just now...a literal deflection. Not only don't you understand a straw man, you don't understand the basic word "deflect"
 
jitter77 said:
If we can supply the world oil why are we relying on other countries for our own oil. Our gas prices should not be tied to the middle east if we really have that much oil
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In theory if we exported less, we would have a lot more supply available domestically, but we have allies like the EU and Japan that depend on those exports.

If their economies implode, ours would get hit hard as well.

People always look at our production, but not our consumption and imports.

We could maybe get by on own our production, but energy would be a lot more expensive than Americans have become accustomed to over the decades and standards of living lower.
 
jitter77 said:
If we can supply the world oil why are we relying on other countries for our own oil. Our gas prices should not be tied to the middle east if we really have that much oil
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Its complicated involving a few factors.
We need more refineries for one.

I spent 15 months working in Saudi Arabia back in the 80’s . Gas was cheap. Cheaper than water.
Tap water there was undrinkable. You had to purchase it.

That made me Google the same question, “why then are gas prices in the US high”?

Here is what our AI friend had to say:

Despite being the world's top oil producer, U.S. gas prices remain high because oil is traded on a global market, not a local one, meaning prices respond to worldwide supply shocks and geopolitical risks. American oil producers sell into this global market, setting prices, while U.S. refineries often import specific crude types, linking domestic prices to global volatility.
Forbes +2
  • Globalized Pricing: The U.S. produces ~13 million barrels per day, but prices are determined by global supply and demand. When conflict, such as in the Middle East, occurs, traders raise prices everywhere instantly.
  • Refinery Limitations: Much U.S.-produced oil is "light" crude, but many American refineries are designed to process "heavy" crude, requiring the U.S. to export its own oil while importing other types.
  • High Consumption: Although a top producer, the U.S. is also the world's largest oil consumer, often requiring imports to meet total demand.
  • Net Exporter Reality: While the U.S. is a net exporter, high domestic demand and infrastructure designed for global trade ensure that global prices dictate the cost at the pump.
    Forbes +6
Being the largest producer means the U.S. is heavily embedded in the global system, not insulated from it.
Forbes
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Nope. I addressed your claims. Your post, just now...a literal deflection. Not only don't you understand a straw man, you don't understand the basic word "deflect"
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Once again a liberal accusing you of doing or saying what they do or say.
 
Hypocycloids said:
Its complicated involving a few factors.
We need more refineries for one.

I spent 15 months working in Saudi Arabia back in the 80’s . Gas was cheap. Cheaper than water.
Tap water there was undrinkable. You had to purchase it.

That made me Google the same question, “why then are gas prices in the US high”?

Here is what our AI friend had to say:

Despite being the world's top oil producer, U.S. gas prices remain high because oil is traded on a global market, not a local one, meaning prices respond to worldwide supply shocks and geopolitical risks. American oil producers sell into this global market, setting prices, while U.S. refineries often import specific crude types, linking domestic prices to global volatility.
Forbes +2
  • Globalized Pricing: The U.S. produces ~13 million barrels per day, but prices are determined by global supply and demand. When conflict, such as in the Middle East, occurs, traders raise prices everywhere instantly.
  • Refinery Limitations: Much U.S.-produced oil is "light" crude, but many American refineries are designed to process "heavy" crude, requiring the U.S. to export its own oil while importing other types.
  • High Consumption: Although a top producer, the U.S. is also the world's largest oil consumer, often requiring imports to meet total demand.
  • Net Exporter Reality: While the U.S. is a net exporter, high domestic demand and infrastructure designed for global trade ensure that global prices dictate the cost at the pump.
    Forbes +6
Being the largest producer means the U.S. is heavily embedded in the global system, not insulated from it.
Forbes
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"tew minny wurdz! Trigurrud muhc?"
/TriggeredFlog, IRGC Fanboi
 
Hypocycloids said:
Its complicated involving a few factors.
We need more refineries for one.

I spent 15 months working in Saudi Arabia back in the 80’s . Gas was cheap. Cheaper than water.
Tap water there was undrinkable. You had to purchase it.

That made me Google the same question, “why then are gas prices in the US high”?

Here is what our AI friend had to say:

Despite being the world's top oil producer, U.S. gas prices remain high because oil is traded on a global market, not a local one, meaning prices respond to worldwide supply shocks and geopolitical risks. American oil producers sell into this global market, setting prices, while U.S. refineries often import specific crude types, linking domestic prices to global volatility.
Forbes +2
  • Globalized Pricing: The U.S. produces ~13 million barrels per day, but prices are determined by global supply and demand. When conflict, such as in the Middle East, occurs, traders raise prices everywhere instantly.
  • Refinery Limitations: Much U.S.-produced oil is "light" crude, but many American refineries are designed to process "heavy" crude, requiring the U.S. to export its own oil while importing other types.
  • High Consumption: Although a top producer, the U.S. is also the world's largest oil consumer, often requiring imports to meet total demand.
  • Net Exporter Reality: While the U.S. is a net exporter, high domestic demand and infrastructure designed for global trade ensure that global prices dictate the cost at the pump.
    Forbes +6
Being the largest producer means the U.S. is heavily embedded in the global system, not insulated from it.
Forbes
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This all makes sense, but that means that graph is total BS. The straight sees 20 million barrels / day. We only produce 13 million / day. The US alone uses over 20 million / day. The math simply doesn't math in any way. It is just more BS rhetoric.
 
The point is that those who rely on Iranian and other ME oil right now have a serious issue, regardless of price: availability. This is not a little consideration for the EU and China.

The US wins, relatively, each day of the stalemate at Hormuz.

If Trump can find a way to quickly rebate Americans for higher gasoline, like his tariff refunds, then sitting and watching like now is the perfect disposition. Wait a week and see who gets really agitated.

isn't King Charlie coming to kiss the ring soon?
 
jitter77 said:
This all makes sense, but that means that graph is total BS. The straight sees 20 million barrels / day. We only produce 13 million / day. The US alone uses over 20 million / day. The math simply doesn't math in any way. It is just more BS rhetoric.
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Tim’s math:

Trump says something + social media guy says he’s right = Fact.
 
Confluence said:
The point is that those who rely on Iranian and other ME oil right now have a serious issue, regardless of price: availability. This is not a little consideration for the EU and China.

The US wins, relatively, each day of the stalemate at Hormuz.

If Trump can find a way to quickly rebate Americans for higher gasoline, like his tariff refunds, then sitting and watching like now is the perfect disposition. Wait a week and see who gets really agitated.

isn't King Charlie coming to kiss the ring soon?
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This isn’t winning, it’s a bad sign. Iran war being another Iraq war might be the best case scenario.

 
Troglodyte said:
This isn’t winning, it’s a bad sign. Iran war being another Iraq war might be the best case scenario.

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War is ugly and no plan survives first contact with the enemy. I didn't want this, but we had to have this. We have to solve the Iranian issue now or it would have become insolvable and likely lead to actual nuclear incidents if not all out war. This also has the possibilities of changing the dynamics in many of our world issues, China, Russia, Ukraine etc.
 
Edit: was on a youtube masters stream... might have been a fake announcement
 
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I think Iran was a lot closer than anyone was willing to report. Trump did what needed to be done. Many around the world will complain and continue to do so. Had Iran used nuclear anywhere it would be chaos around the world. It would be $24/ gallon for regular in Texas.

Keep an eye out on the communist tactics.
 
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