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Anyone listening to the fan right now?

HOF voting has become very political in an NFL sense. Because of that it has become meaningless. NFL writer have bias built in. It's not a hall of fame, its a hall of guys the writer liked. Stupid.
 
xjx said:
HOF voting has become very political in an NFL sense. Because of that it has become meaningless. NFL writer have bias built in. It's not a hall of fame, its a hall of guys the writer liked. Stupid.
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And the Steelers bias is a thing, that's why a guy like Dermontii Dawson who revolutionized the position and was considered one of the best Centers to ever play, retired in 2000 and didn't get into the HOF until 2012.
 
Coryea said:
Which is why Ray Lewis who was charged and then plead guilty to charges went right in, funny his off the field situation never gets brought up by anybody.
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There are some around here who like to take a stab at his past history when his name gets brought up.
 
Coryea said:
And the Steelers bias is a thing, that's why a guy like Dermontii Dawson who revolutionized the position and was considered one of the best Centers to ever play, retired in 2000 and didn't get into the HOF until 2012.
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The Hall of Fame is what it is. We know it isn't an ultra-exclusive group and rather than limit per year, put the guys in who deserve to be there. If 10 make it in 2027, who cares? It clears out the backlog of players who are locked out and keeps players from waiting decades to get in.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
The Hall of Fame is what it is. We know it isn't an ultra-exclusive group and rather than limit per year, put the guys in who deserve to be there. If 10 make it in 2027, who cares? It clears out the backlog of players who are locked out and keeps players from waiting decades to get in.
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Yep.....you either are a HOFer or not. How a player who makes it in years down the road doesn't make sense to me.
 
Coryea said:
Ben retired top 10 (top 5 in some) in all major statistical categories, with 2 Super Bowls. He played QB the same time 3 other all time greats were in their prime (Brady, Manning, Rodgers) so him not making all pros isn't a huge shocker, AB wasn't playing in the same era as 3 of the greatest WR's in NFL history.

AB without Ben only averaged something like 40 rec yards per game.
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There are also more AP slots for a WR, but during his 6 year stretch from 2013-18, Larry Fitz, Cal Johnson, Julio Jones, OBJ, DHop, Mike Evans, and Davante Adams were all balling out. He was just as good as them, Ben was not as good as the best of his era.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
There are also more AP slots for a WR, but during his 6 year stretch from 2013-18, Larry Fitz, Cal Johnson, Julio Jones, OBJ, DHop, Mike Evans, and Davante Adams were all balling out. He was just as good as them, Ben was not as good as the best of his era.
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AB led the NFL in catches twice, and yards twice, so AB was amazing, but it's not like he was the league leader every year. It's not like Ben and AB were playing in the offense that say Brady and Manning were, the Steelers offense was still hand-cuffed by Tomlin. Ben has the career numbers and the post season success to warrant a 1st ballot, AB doesn't, he was great for a 5 year stretch, but that's it. And if we're making a case for how great AB was, then who was throwing him the ball?
 
stillwright said:
Yep.....you either are a HOFer or not. How a player who makes it in years down the road doesn't make sense to me.
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That led me to look up the limit on number of inductees each year because I never knew exactly.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame typically inducts between four and eight new members annually, with a maximum of five modern-era players allowed per class. Recent rule changes for certain election cycles have allowed for a maximum of nine members, including additional senior finalists.
Key details regarding the induction limits:
  • Modern-Era Players: A maximum of five, and a minimum of three, are selected each year.
  • Total Class Size: Generally four to eight members, though it can go up to nine to accommodate additional Seniors, Contributors, or Coaches.
 
Coryea said:
Which is why Ray Lewis who was charged and then plead guilty to charges went right in, funny his off the field situation never gets brought up by anybody.
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Because they are afraid to say anything. Yikes!
 
Coryea said:
That idiot Chris Mueller says AB should go into the HOF over Ben. How does this moron get paid for that crap?
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I don't agree in most ways but AB was the #1 WR in the NFL for 5-6 years in a row. Ben was never the #1 QB even in one year. Ben played the harder position and had more years of being elite though. I think Ben is a first ballot and AB would be also if not for the off-field stuff. That said, AB deserves to go in some day.
 
Coryea said:
AB led the NFL in catches twice, and yards twice, so AB was amazing, but it's not like he was the league leader every year. It's not like Ben and AB were playing in the offense that say Brady and Manning were, the Steelers offense was still hand-cuffed by Tomlin. Ben has the career numbers and the post season success to warrant a 1st ballot, AB doesn't, he was great for a 5 year stretch, but that's it. And if we're making a case for how great AB was, then who was throwing him the ball?
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Gonna remember this when people downgrade Will Howard and Julian Sayin. :)

Seriously, I think they're both 1st ballot guys.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
i listen to him because the fan can get old ,,, bob.

anyway,, madden is such a constant dick, i want to punch his face.
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He is just a shock jock that covers Pittsburgh sports but doesn’t love the Steelers. Certain media types like the be as obnoxious as possible to gain listeners approach. It seems to work for them.
 
Coryea said:
And the Steelers bias is a thing, that's why a guy like Dermontii Dawson who revolutionized the position and was considered one of the best Centers to ever play, retired in 2000 and didn't get into the HOF until 2012.
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I am in 100% agreement with this, especially that top line. If a guy like Terrell Davis is in the HOF, then I don’t see how a player like Silverback is left out. I don’t think there was a more intimidating, dominant linebacker during his stretch, and played second fiddle on his defense to the ONLY other HOF’er on that team (#43). My old man always used to say “if an *** kisser like Steve Young can get in, then ANYONE can make it in,” and I don’t disagree.
 
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