Democrat Violence Thread

[Djfan]

Belligerent Trump regime begins arresting journalists covering protests in Minneapolis, where ICE gestapo agents have murdered two Americans in cold blood within weeks.

MAGA: It is what it is. We love totalitarianism and fascism, as long as it's our side doing the bashing-in of heads.

Tibs, you've slipped. Don't cave to the nonsense. I feel like you and I have communicated well, and I don't want to lose that.

 

[Tibs]

Tibs, you've slipped. Don't cave to the nonsense. I feel like you and I have communicated well, and I don't want to lose that.

You're right, Djfan.... I should stop using the all-encompassing acronym MAGA in my posts, as it comes across as if I'm referring to everyone collectively, who may support Trump in one form or another. And that's not accurate. I know there are some very normal, decent, intelligent, morally-sound folks out there caught up in this thing.

When I write MAGA in my posts I'm referring to the hardcore cultists, like a few long-time posters on this board, who not only know who they are, but wear the distinction proudly, on their sleeves.

 

[Djfan]

You're right, Djfan.... I should stop using the all-encompassing acronym MAGA in my posts, as it comes across as if I'm referring to everyone collectively, who may support Trump in one form or another. And that's not accurate. I know there are some very normal, decent, intelligent, morally-sound folks out there caught up in this thing.

When I write MAGA in my posts I'm referring to the hardcore cultists, like a few long-time posters on this board, who not only know who they are, but wear the distinction proudly, on their sleeves.

You'll notice that my contributions have lessened. It's because the terms of discussion have changed.

 

[BLITZ]

You're right, Djfan.... I should stop using the all-encompassing acronym MAGA in my posts, as it comes across as if I'm referring to everyone collectively, who may support Trump in one form or another. And that's not accurate. I know there are some very normal, decent, intelligent, morally-sound folks out there caught up in this thing.

When I write MAGA in my posts I'm referring to the hardcore cultists, like a few long-time posters on this board, who not only know who they are, but wear the distinction proudly, on their sleeves.

Just truly think about what MAGA stands for. What American right or left doesn't want to live in a great country?
That's all it it. Make our country great again for all Americans.

 

[IndySteel]

Just truly think about what MAGA stands for. What American right or left doesn't want to live in a great country?
That's all it it. Make our country great again for all Americans.

Like all commies, he hates America. He’s a lost soul.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

You're right, Djfan.... I should stop using the all-encompassing acronym MAGA in my posts, as it comes across as if I'm referring to everyone collectively, who may support Trump in one form or another. And that's not accurate. I know there are some very normal, decent, intelligent, morally-sound folks out there caught up in this thing.

When I write MAGA in my posts I'm referring to the hardcore cultists, like a few long-time posters on this board, who not only know who they are, but wear the distinction proudly, on their sleeves.

But here's the thing, you interpret MAGA as something evil when it's actually just an acronym for Make America Great Again, something that I fully support.
I don't agree with everything Trump or any politician says on every single issue, but I am MAGA in the true sense of its meaning.
I've never been a fan of redefining words to fit a new narrative; it devalues our language and is just an easy diversion from a productive conversation.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Let me add this, and it's only my opinion, I believe that those that lean more liberally than myself tend to be consumed by politics, that doesn't however make them more knowledgeable than anyone else. For me, my priorities are my family, my overall health, my friends and neighbors and those that I deem in need through charities that I support, you know, things that I can actually control.

The left seems to be obsessed on issues (idealisms) they really have no control over, the pins, the ribbons, the protests and sadly the riots accomplish nothing other than a false sense of accomplishment. And while not every conversation with a Democrat is unproductive, some do resort to name calling and deflection when the conversation fails them.
We have a member on this board that will never answer a direct question as proof of this and unfortunately reflects the modus operandi of 99% (a figure that I just made up) of every politician currently in office, with the exception being Trump. Not everyone will like everything he says, including me sometimes, but there's never a doubt on what he says.

So yes, MAGA.

 

[Tibs]

Just truly think about what MAGA stands for. What American right or left doesn't want to live in a great country?
That's all it it. Make our country great again for all Americans.

it's actually just an acronym for Make America Great Again, something that I fully support... I am MAGA in the true sense of its meaning.

That's all great and swell, Blitz and Zona. In this sense, I'm 100% MAGA too. I want the best for this country, for this nation.

The huge, massive, unavoidable problem with Trump's presidency - and his policies and persona - is that he is doing *exactly the opposite* of that stated goal.

If you were truly MAGA as you claim, if that's all that was important to you, you would vehemently stand opposed to the totalitarian takeover of the federal government, his trampling of the Constitution, the unmitigated level of corruption in his inner circle, and reject this belligerent, deeply immoral man.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

That's all great and swell, Blitz and Zona. In this sense, I'm 100% MAGA too. I want the best for this country, for this nation.

The huge, massive, unavoidable problem with Trump's presidency - and his policies and persona - is that he is doing *exactly the opposite* of that stated goal.

If you were truly MAGA as you claim, if that's all that was important to you, you would vehemently stand opposed to the totalitarian takeover of the federal government, his trampling of the Constitution, the unmitigated level of corruption in his inner circle, and reject this belligerent, deeply immoral man.

But Tibs, that isn't happening except in the fevered imaginations of liberals. None of it. We just got rid of the totalitarians that shut this Country down. You are blinded by pure hate on this without a bit of rational thinking, your hate for a man has stripped away any remaining logic.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

If you were truly MAGA as you claim, if that's all that was important to you, you would vehemently stand opposed to the totalitarian takeover of the federal government, his trampling of the Constitution, the unmitigated level of corruption in his inner circle, and reject this belligerent, deeply immoral man.

This is meaningless without specific concerns on your part. Accusations without substance.

It's likely we won't agree on certain issues, but focusing on the problems as you perceive them would be a start.
How about the "totalitarian takeover of the federal government", the phrase means little to me without a fully individualize account of your usage of this term.

 

[BLITZ]

That's all great and swell, Blitz and Zona. In this sense, I'm 100% MAGA too. I want the best for this country, for this nation.

The huge, massive, unavoidable problem with Trump's presidency - and his policies and persona - is that he is doing *exactly the opposite* of that stated goal.

If you were truly MAGA as you claim, if that's all that was important to you, you would vehemently stand opposed to the totalitarian takeover of the federal government, his trampling of the Constitution, the unmitigated level of corruption in his inner circle, and reject this belligerent, deeply immoral man.

I don't see it that way. He is the 1 president that is actually doing the things he ran on. He is doing what he was voted in to do.
Most of it is super unpopular to the left. They protest.
Most of what Biden did was super unpopular to the right. No protests.
Can you tell me exactly what you think Trump is doing to "trample the constitution "?

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I don't see it that way. He is the 1 president that is actually doing the things he ran on. He is doing what he was voted in to do.
Most of it is super unpopular to the left. They protest.
Most of what Biden did was super unpopular to the right. No protests.
Can you tell me exactly what you think Trump is doing to "trample the constitution "?

Anything they don't like.

 

[steel dino]

Anything they don't like.

You effectively and efficiently summed in it up in 4 words man...Actually made me chuckle out loud because of the way you explained it in a 4 word simple truth.

I will now reply to your statement in a one word simple truth...

BINGO!


Stay safe...stay warm all...

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

the "totalitarian takeover of the federal government", the phrase means little to me without a fully individualize account of your usage of this term.

When they use phrases like these, you know where they get their news. These are Leftist talking points intended to brainwash.

Remeber when we have posted those videos that show EVERY Democrat politician repeating the exact same phrase after some newsworthy event? Over and over and over, in lockstep, every one of them repeat the phrase for 24-48 hours or more. Then the news network talking heads pick up on those phrases and repeat them to their viewers. The viewers then adopt those phrases.

"Totalitarian" and "Totalitarian takeover of the Government" is one of those phrases.

Dollars to doughnuts, 95% of Liberal Americans using the phrase can't even explain it, just like they all use the word fascist while not understanding an iota of what it means.

 

[Hypocycloids]

When they use phrases like these, you know where they get their news. These are Leftist talking points intended to brainwash.

Remeber when we have posted those videos that show EVERY Democrat politician repeating the exact same phrase after some newsworthy event? Over and over and over, in lockstep, every one of them repeat the phrase for 24-48 hours or more. Then the news network talking heads pick up on those phrases and repeat them to their viewers. The viewers then adopt those phrases.

"Totalitarian" and "Totalitarian takeover of the Government" is one of those phrases.

Dollars to doughnuts, 95% of Liberal Americans using the phrase can't even explain it, just like they all use the word fascist while not understanding an iota of what it means.

 

[Tibs]

Can you tell me exactly what you think Trump is doing to "trample the constitution "?

But Tibs, that isn't happening except in the fevered imaginations of liberals. None of it.

How about the "totalitarian takeover of the federal government", the phrase means little to me without a fully individualize account of your usage of this term.

This is a good place to start as any, the Executive Branch ruling by decree:

Donald Trump stormed into the American presidency on 20 January 2025 with a battalion of executive orders that destroyed many of the certainties of the American constitutional system. Under normal circumstances, executive orders are the least powerful legal weapon, below the Constitution, below statutes and even below regulations. If the American constitutional system were working, most of these executive orders would have no effect because higher-level law overrides them. But the American constitutional order is changing.

Abolish birthright citizenship, guaranteed in the Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment! Erase more than sixty years of civil rights legislation and decades of constitutional progress on gender equality! Reverse statutory efforts to curb climate change! Stop payments authorized by Congress on virtually all federal programs without warning! Unsettle thousands of civil service jobs by reclassifying them as political positions requiring loyalty to the president! Trash treaties, abandon international assistance and upset long-standing international alliances and understandings! Throw national security to the winds! All of this, in normal times, would be legally impossible to accomplish through executive orders alone. But these are not normal times.

The Trump administration has followed these executive orders with guidance issued across the government instructing all federal workers that those executive orders “trump” all other sources of law. Those who refuse to honor the executive orders have been summarily fired or placed on administrative leave, along with those whose jobs would not exist if the executive orders were law. Many federal workers have simply quit rather than violate the law as they knew it. A month into the Trump presidency, the federal government is acting as if those executive orders are the only law that counts regardless of what the Constitution, the Congress or the courts have said.

 

[BLITZ]

This is a good place to start as any, the Executive Branch ruling by decree:

So that is a blog. Not a fact. It is someone's opinion.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This is a good place to start as any, the Executive Branch ruling by decree:

You lost us all with this cut and paste from some Lefty news source, full of exclamation points, screaming hysteria. They were asking you what YOU think, not to go find the talking points someone fed you to regurgitate.

Abolish birthright citizenship, guaranteed in the Constitution’s Fourteenth Amendment!

There is much debate on this, due to the phrase “Subject to the jurisdiction” - thus why it is in front of the Supreme Court

Erase more than sixty years of civil rights legislation and decades of constitutional progress on gender equality!

OK this is nonsense. These EOs were all about STOPPING the Left manipulating Gender Equality to normalize the Trans movement to the detriment of true equality. His EOs are PROTECTING gender equality, the exact opposite of this claim.

Executive Order — Keeping Men Out of Women’s Sports
Executive Order 14187 — Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation
Executive Order 14183 — Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness
Executive Order 14190 — Ending Radical Indoctrination in K-12 Schooling

Reverse statutory efforts to curb climate change!

How exactly is this totalitarian takeover of Government? Climate Change/Global Warming is wildly unsettled science, and climate change is crumbling. He issued EOs to challenge the legal basis of climate regulation, roll back emissions standards, change how environmental laws are implemented, and cancelling/freezing environmental programs.

Stop payments authorized by Congress on virtually all federal programs without warning!

That isn't unConstitutional. As has been shown, there's a ton of fraud and waste spending. Every President has this option/luxury.

Unsettle thousands of civil service jobs by reclassifying them as political positions requiring loyalty to the president!

This is just emotional wording. Presidents and Administrations throughout history have reclassified jobs. This isn't news. And "requiring loyalty" made me LOL.

Trash treaties, abandon international assistance and upset long-standing international alliances and understandings!

This is again not unConstitutional. Every President renegotiates treaties, walks back or establishes international assistance, and upsets alliances. Remember when the Biden administration alienated Israel? This is historical normal practice that varies by administration.

Throw national security to the winds!

How is this unConstitutional or Totalitarian? Wouldn't Obama with drone strikes fall into this category? This President has ended 8 wars, but the Left gets upset about Maduro or attacking seaborne drug traffickers and somehow he's different than Obama and drones, or killing Bin Laden. OK.

As @SteelerInLebanon said above, Trampling the Constitution to the Left means "Anything they don't like."

You posted a list of things the Left doesn't like. They are neither Totalitarian or unConstitutional. At all. They are just moves the Left opposes.

 

[Hypocycloids]

This is a good place to start as any, the Executive Branch ruling by decree:

How about a better place to start when talking about trampling the Constution. Such a selective memory you have.

President Biden and Democrats trampling the Constitution.

• Assault on the Supreme Court: Opponents characterize Biden's proposals for Supreme Court term limits and an enforceable ethics code as attempts to subordinate the judiciary to the legislative branch, breaching the separation of powers.
• Executive Overreach: Critics point to unilateral actions such as COVID-19 vaccine mandates and the SAVE student loan scheme, which they claim circumvented Congress's lawmaking authority and the "power of the purse".
• Free Speech Concerns: The administration has been accused of extorting social media platforms into censoring free speech and chilling the rights of parents, which some view as an assault on the First Amendment.
• Nationalizing Elections: Democratic efforts to pass federal election legislation are seen by some as a partisan power grab that ignores the Constitution's division of power, which grants states primary authority over election administration.
• Cognitive Decline and the 25th Amendment: Some Republicans have argued that a perceived cover-up of President Biden's cognitive decline created a constitutional crisis, raising questions about who was leading the government and whether the 25th Amendment should have been invoked.
• Judicial Lawfare: Critics claim the administration engaged in massive election interference through "lawfare"—unprecedented prosecutions of political opponents—which they argue disenfranchises voters and undermines the rule of

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[Booted]

How about the "totalitarian takeover of the federal government", the phrase means little to me without a fully individualize account of your usage of this term.

Well , Trump is rude and I don't like him. How's that for starters?

 

[BLITZ]

TRUMP BAD. THEREFORE ICE BAD UNDER TRUMP.

Same **** different admin. He is hated for doing his job and actually doing what Americans voted him in to do.

The Hate makes zero sense but hate nontheless

 

[Tibs]

You posted a list of things the Left doesn't like. They are neither Totalitarian or unConstitutional. At all. They are just moves the Left opposes.

Thanks for the mostly civil response, Tim. It's clear we have a wildly different take on this administration. All I will say, if Obama or Biden did 5% of what Trump has done, steamrolling his agenda through the executive branch, I doubt the White House would still be standing, having been firebombed to smithereens by right wingers. Stop, don't react to that, it was symbolic in nature, hyperbole; an exaggeration.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

This is a good place to start as any, the Executive Branch ruling by decree:

The 14th Amendments writer said emphatically in speeches that it was never meant to convey birthright citizenship to those not here legally. It’s been misapplied for a long time.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Thanks for the mostly civil response, Tim. It's clear we have a wildly different take on this administration. All I will say, if Obama or Biden did 5% of what Trump has done, steamrolling his agenda through the executive branch, I doubt the White House would still be standing, having been firebombed to smithereens by right wingers. Stop, don't react to that, it was symbolic in nature, hyperbole; an exaggeration.

But they did do far more and far worse Tibs. They locked down the Country and worse and we didn’t firebomb anything, but the left has. Repeatedly. You are a victim of leftist media. Obama and Autopen ruled by decree as well. Congress in its dysfunction has basically abdicated it’s responsibility to the executive and judicial wings by not doing their damn jobs. I don’t like Trump, Obama, Autopen or any other President having to write so many orders, but Congress has made it a necessity. I blame both sides for that.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

All I will say, if Obama or Biden did 5% of what Trump has done, steamrolling his agenda through the executive branch...

But see, they did. Biden was worse. You just didn't care then. Because it was your guy.

Per Hypo: https://www.steelernationforum.com/threads/democrat-violence-thread.79581/post-1354251