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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

There’s nothing to interpret. The second that the tranny interfered with the officers lethal force was justified. Gun or no gun, it doesn’t matter. Ze’d be alive if it had just been peacefully protesting.
 
very good posts, @jitter77

@Djfan - i agree that he was not legally carrying, but at the point he was scuffling and shot, it was not known that he did not have his ID. Warrior pointed that out, and its not something I've ever disagreed with. It does lead to wild speculation as to why he did not have his id, as he seemed to have everything else for a ... peaceful protest.
 
oneforthebus said:
Do you believe it's legal (or wise) to instigate a confrontation with law enforcement engaged in legal operations while armed with a loaded concealed weapon? And then physically resist arrest without informing them you are armed?
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He was video-recording with his phone. He turned away and was pepper sprayed.
oneforthebus said:
Let's say police are about to bust a drug den. Let's say I don't believe that drug dealing should be illegal, and I think it's a violation of rights for them to bust the drug den. Is it ok for me to interfere in their operations, resist arrest, wrestle with numerous officers and not inform them that I'm carrying a concealed loaded weapon?
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Pretty wasn’t operating a drug den. He don’t wrestle anyone.
oneforthebus said:
If you're a police officer wrestling on the ground with such an individual and someone yells "Gun!" when are you allowed to defend yourself? When someone points it in your face and pulls the trigger?
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He didn’t touch his gun. The officer who shot him watched him get disarmed.
oneforthebus said:
Every time something like this happens armchair cops like yourself pretend you would have waited around to see what someone was gonna do with the gun before acting to defend yourself. It's ludicrous.
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Ludicrous is Kristi Noem’s account of what happened.
oneforthebus said:
These things happen in split seconds. If you guess wrong you're dead. When someone is acting stupid and breaking the law, violently resisting and armed, you do not have to put yourself at risk of death to save them.
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The ICE agent was acting stupid. Pretti didn’t violently resist.
 
Superman said:
you're neglecting to include the fact that he did not have any ID on him.
As such, he did not want to be identified in case he chose to use this weapon.

what is a valid reason for a person to carry a weapon into a potential confrontational situation and make the conscious decision to break the state law by not having required identification on their body?
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What state law?
 
Troglodyte said:
What state law?
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not that you'll bother clicking on a link...


624.714 CARRYING OF WEAPONS WITHOUT PERMIT; PENALTIES.​

Subdivision 1.​


[Repealed, 2003 c 28 art 2 s 35; 2005 c 83 s 1]

Subd. 1a.​


A person, other than a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1, who carries, holds, or possesses a pistol in a motor vehicle, snowmobile, or boat, or on or about the person's clothes or the person, or otherwise in possession or control in a public place, as defined in section 624.7181, subdivision 1, paragraph (c), without first having obtained a permit to carry the pistol is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. A person who is convicted a second or subsequent time is guilty of a felony.
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Subd. 1b.​


(a) The holder of a permit to carry must have the permit card and a driver's license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document upon lawful demand by a peace officer, as defined in section 626.84, subdivision 1. A violation of this paragraph is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture.

(b) A citation issued for violating paragraph (a) must be dismissed if the person demonstrates, in court or in the office of the arresting officer, that the person was authorized to carry the pistol at the time of the alleged violation.

(c) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder must write a sample signature in the officer's presence to aid in verifying the person's identity.

(d) Upon the request of a peace officer, a permit holder shall disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.
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yes, a "petty misdemeanor" is still breaking the law.

and as has been said repeatedly, he shouldnt have been shot for not having his id.
 
Well, I have no idea how this will all come out in the wash, but I do know this; if the federal agent(s) that shot Pretti are found guilty, through a thorough and complete investigation, everyone here will accept the conclusion.

However, if such an investigation proves the agents acted within their legal right with no charges made, at least one member here will be moving on to the next tantrum.
 
Superman said:
the very fact that you believe you achieved a "gotcha" moment and are self-congratulating when hitting "Submit" shows how devoted you are to your party and how easily misled and deceived you are.



let me pull that part out that you'll skip right over.

HSI investigates the criminal enterprises that engage in a broad range of illicit activity including narcotics smuggling, human trafficking, gang violence, money laundering and other financial crimes, intellectual property theft, and customs fraud. HSI also investigates a broad range of cybercrime, including child exploitation in the commitment to securing both physical and virtual borders.
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so, do tell me how the vast majority of these people have committed crimes in their home country prior to illegally immigrating here are beneficial to our society. Just those people in this example. There are no other lily pads I'm providing you to leap to and from. Just the specific people ICE has detained and deported who have illegally immigrated here from their home countries prior to committing various crimes, including rape, murder, sexual exploitation of children or any other such heinous crime. How are THOSE SPECIFIC - particularly these five pictured above - people helping build this nation?

as a refresher - no one here is against LEGAL immigration.
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You don't need to provide Trog with any other lily pads. Trog brings his/her/it's own lily pads.
 
Booted said:
I've seen a few partial videos. None that show what happened start to finish. So, I could change my opinion of the event if I can see a full video. Do you have a link to one? Particularly, a video showing the initial contact between ICE and Pretti.
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Of course you won't see a video showing what happened from start to finish. Both sides like to cherry pick what they show to support their narrative.
 


CNN
 
Repeated agitation. Is there more? Sounds like he was on Soros payroll.

He made a lunging move when getting up from the ground. That quick move triggered another quick move.
 
Troglodyte said:
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you seriously do not understand.
that's not even a debate.

the issue is...


Who is Jose Antonio Ibarra?​

Ibarra is a 26-year-old Venezuelan migrant, according to ICE records, and appears to have first entered the US within the past two years.

On September 8, 2022, Customs and Border Protection officials encountered Ibarra after he crossed the US’s southern border with Mexico near El Paso, Texas, ICE officials told ABC7 in a statement. He was “paroled and released for further processing,” officials said.

The agency also said that Ibarra had been arrested by the New York Police Department on September 14, 2023 and was “charged with acting in a manner to injure a child less than 17 and a motor vehicle license violation.”

New York officials then released him “before a detainer could be issued,” ICE said. However, the NYPD toldThe Independent that the department has no record of Ibarra’s arrest on file – and so could not confirm whether this account was correct.
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duckduckgo ai

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In 2023, New York City agencies, including the NYPD, generally do not cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) except in limited situations, adhering to local laws that protect immigrant rights. This means that city agencies typically do not ask about immigration status or share personal information with ICE.
New York City Government​

NYPD Policy Regarding ICE in 2023​

Cooperation with ICE​

  • The New York City Police Department (NYPD) generally does not cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) except in limited situations.
  • City agencies, including the NYPD, do not ask about an individual's immigration status and do not share personal information with ICE.

Local Laws and Protections​

  • New York City has local laws that restrict communication between city agencies and ICE.
  • Recent city council hearings revealed concerns about collusion between the NYC Department of Corrections and ICE, prompting calls for stronger local laws to protect immigrant rights.

Community Impact​

  • Advocates argue that despite existing laws, there are instances of illegal communication between city agencies and ICE, which can lead to the detention and deportation of immigrants.
  • Community organizations are pushing for legislation to enhance protections for immigrant New Yorkers and prevent further collaboration with ICE.

Summary of Key Points​

Cooperation with ICELimited; NYPD does not inquire about immigration status.
Local LawsProtect against sharing information with ICE.
Community ConcernsAllegations of collusion between city agencies and ICE.
AdvocacyPush for stronger laws to protect immigrant rights.
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anyone have a piece of paper and a single crayon to plot two points for Flog to connect?
 
the left has Ashley Good.

the right just has to suffer with these godless heathens.

 
 


well, well, well
 
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