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Noll, Cowher, Tomlin…fire them all!
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I gave you all the data/statistics you asked for. You just don’t like the end sum of the justification.
Try it this way, YOU provide AB/LeVeon numbers to why they out shine multiple season All-Pros who have gold jackets.
Not even close
| Player | Career Games | Receptions | Receiving Yards | Receiving TDs | Yards/Game |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Antonio Brown | 146 | 928 | 12,291 | 83 | 84.2 (StatMuse) |
| Ahmad Rashad | 139 | 495 | 6,831 | 44* | ~49.1* |
| Sammy White | 132 | 393 | 6,400 | 50 | ~48.5 |
| John Gilliam | 151 | 382 | 7,056 | 48 | ~46.8 |
| Player | Seasons | Avg Receptions/Season | Avg Yards/Season | Avg TDs/Season |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Antonio Brown | 12 | 77.3 | 1,024.3 | 6.9 |
| Ahmad Rashad | 11 | 45.0 | 621.0 | 4.0 |
| Sammy White | 10 | 39.3 | 640.0 | 5.0 |
| John Gilliam | 11 | 34.7 | 641.5 | 4.4 |
Career Totals & Derived Metrics
Le’Veon Bell — Pittsburgh Steelers (2013–2017)
We’re isolating only his time in Pittsburgh (the years he was a Steeler):- Seasons: 5 (2013–2017)
- Games played: 62
- Total scrimmage yards: 7,996 (rushing + receiving)
- 2013: 860 rush + 399 rec = 1,259
- 2014: 1,361 rush + 854 rec = 2,215
- 2015: 556 + 136 = 692
- 2016: 1,268 + 616 = 1,884
- 2017: 1,291 + 655 = 1,946
- Scrimmage yards/season: ~1,599
- Games/season: 12.4
- Scrimmage yards per game: ~129.0
Thurman Thomas (1988–2000)
Career totals over 13 NFL seasons:- Games played: 182
- Total scrimmage yards: 16,532
- Scrimmage yards/season: ~1,271
- Games/season: ~14.0
- Scrimmage yards per game: ~90.8
Chuck Foreman (1973–1980)
Career totals over 8 NFL seasons (Minnesota and New England):- Rushing + receiving totals: ~9,106 total yards from scrimmage (5,950 rush + 3,156 rec)
- Games played: Pro Football Reference doesn’t list a simple career GP in our search results, so we infer from his seasonal data that he played about 103 games (1973–1980 totals from PF-R show 12, 13, 14, 14, 14, 11, 9, 6 by season on their page — typical career totals). This is an estimate based on season counts.
- Scrimmage yards/season: ~1,138
- Estimated games/season: ~12.9
- Estimated scrimmage yards per game: ~88.3
Comparison Table
| Player | Seasons | Scrimmage Yds/Season | Scrimmage Yds/Game |
|---|---|---|---|
| Le’Veon Bell (Steelers) | 5 | ~1,599 | ~129.0 |
| Thurman Thomas | 13 | ~1,271 | ~90.8 |
| Chuck Foreman | 8 | ~1,138 | ~88.3 (est.) |
Again not close. Numbers are numbers.
Career Passing Stats (Regular Season)
| Stat | Ben Roethlisberger | Jim Kelly | Fran Tarkenton |
|---|---|---|---|
| Seasons | 18 (2004–2021) | 11 (1986–1996) | 18 (1961–1978) |
| Games Played | 249 | 160 | 273* |
| Passing Yards | 64,088 | 35,467 | 47,003 |
| Passing TDs | 418 | 237 | 342 |
| Interceptions | 211 | 175 | 266 |
| Completion % | ~64.4% | ~60.1% | 57.0%* |
| Approx. Career Passer Rating | ~93.5 | ~84.4 | ~80.0* |
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Not even close
Player Career Games Receptions Receiving Yards Receiving TDs Yards/Game Antonio Brown 146 928 12,291 83 84.2 (StatMuse) Ahmad Rashad 139 495 6,831 44* ~49.1* Sammy White 132 393 6,400 50 ~48.5 John Gilliam 151 382 7,056 48 ~46.8
Player Seasons Avg Receptions/Season Avg Yards/Season Avg TDs/Season Antonio Brown 12 77.3 1,024.3 6.9 Ahmad Rashad 11 45.0 621.0 4.0 Sammy White 10 39.3 640.0 5.0 John Gilliam 11 34.7 641.5 4.4
We’re isolating only his time in Pittsburgh (the years he was a Steeler):
Per-Season Averages (Steelers)
- Seasons: 5 (2013–2017)
- Games played: 62
- Total scrimmage yards:7,996 (rushing + receiving)
- 2013: 860 rush + 399 rec = 1,259
- 2014: 1,361 rush + 854 rec = 2,215
- 2015: 556 + 136 = 692
- 2016: 1,268 + 616 = 1,884
- 2017: 1,291 + 655 = 1,946
- Scrimmage yards/season: ~1,599
- Games/season: 12.4
- Scrimmage yards per game: ~129.0
Career totals over 13 NFL seasons:
Per-Season Averages
- Games played: 182
- Total scrimmage yards: 16,532
- Scrimmage yards/season: ~1,271
- Games/season: ~14.0
- Scrimmage yards per game: ~90.8
Career totals over 8 NFL seasons (Minnesota and New England):
Per-Season Averages (8 seasons)
- Rushing + receiving totals: ~9,106 total yards from scrimmage (5,950 rush + 3,156 rec)
- Games played: Pro Football Reference doesn’t list a simple career GP in our search results, so we infer from his seasonal data that he played about 103 games (1973–1980 totals from PF-R show 12, 13, 14, 14, 14, 11, 9, 6 by season on their page — typical career totals). This is an estimate based on season counts.
- Scrimmage yards/season: ~1,138
- Estimated games/season: ~12.9
- Estimated scrimmage yards per game: ~88.3
Player Seasons Scrimmage Yds/Season Scrimmage Yds/Game Le’Veon Bell (Steelers) 5 ~1,599 ~129.0 Thurman Thomas 13 ~1,271 ~90.8 Chuck Foreman 8 ~1,138 ~88.3 (est.)
What kind of comparison analysis is this? You are throwing numbers together just to show volume in totality.
Where are Andre Reed’s numbers? Why are you using #2 receivers (White and Gilliam) in the analysis? Ahmad Rachad and Sammy White numbers were during an era that had absolutely zero the advantages AB had. Completely different type of game was played in the 70’s. Of which AB would have been killed playing against the DBs and LBs of that era.
Comparing RBs numbers in seasons totality? With the avg scrimmage yards used in the dataset. Really? Why are not the top five seasons being used for Thomas and Foreman like you used for Bell? Use the comparison table with Le’Veon eight seasons in the league, not just with PIT. The statistical exercise is simple, but you are conflating the data to fit your thesis.
Hey, I loved Le’Veon just as much as the next PIT fan, but to imply he was on the same level as Thomas is nonsense. Maybe he could have been, had he kept playing for PIT, but he wasn’t clever enough to make the right decision.
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Again not close. Numbers are numbers.
Stat Ben Roethlisberger Jim Kelly Fran Tarkenton Seasons 18 (2004–2021) 11 (1986–1996) 18 (1961–1978) Games Played 249 160 273* Passing Yards 64,088 35,467 47,003 Passing TDs 418 237 342 Interceptions 211 175 266 Completion % ~64.4% ~60.1% 57.0%* Approx. Career Passer Rating ~93.5 ~84.4 ~80.0*
What is this for? Who was questioning Ben’s numbers? He’s a future 1st Ballot HOF player.
Try again
Statistical Breakdown
- Le'Veon Bell (Pittsburgh Years): Bell’s 62 games with the Pittsburgh Steelers represent a historical peak for all-purpose production. In that span, he recorded 5,336 rushing yards and 2,660 receiving yards, making him the league leader in yards from scrimmage per game among players with at least 50 games played during that era.
- Thurman Thomas (Peak Stretch): Thomas’s most productive 62-game stretch encompasses his record-breaking four consecutive seasons leading the NFL in scrimmage yards (1989–1992). Over those four seasons (63 games), he averaged roughly 125 yards per game. Narrowing this to his absolute best 62-game window brings his average to 122.5 yards.
- Chuck Foreman (Peak Stretch): Foreman’s best 62-game span came from his rookie season in 1973 through the first 9 games of the 1977 season. While he was a pioneer of the dual-threat running back position, leading the NFL in receptions in 1975, the lower-scoring era and 14-game schedules kept his volume slightly below Bell and Thomas.
| Le'Veon Bell | 2013–2017 (PIT Career) | 7,996 | 129.0 |
| Thurman Thomas | 1989–1992 (Full) + 1993 (Partial) | 7,597 | 122.5 |
| Chuck Foreman | 1973–1976 (Full) + 1977 (Partial) | 6,957 | 112.2 |
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