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Hahaha, Tomlin asked why the same problems persist or haven't been fixed.

Fiji Mariner said:
And sometimes the chef must modify the recipe he’s cookin’ when it obviously sucks.
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You can’t eat soup with a fork when you need a spoon, someone once said.
 
Coryea said:
Agreed, and is it arrogance, or ignorance? maybe a little of both.
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It's like when Frank Layden of the Jazz asked a young player, "son, are you ignorant or apathetic?"

The reply? "I don't know and I don't care!"
 
steelhurt said:
Bill Cowher got to two other AFCCG with Neil O’Donnel and a SB with Neil.
Billy also got to [two] AFCCG's with Kordell Stewart.
Absolutely zero comparison between Cowher and the con man.
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Fixed the observation others made, and I want to add: Bill Cowher won a playoff game with MIKE TOMCZAK at QB.

Mr. No Losing Season had a losing record (8-9) in the postseason WITH BEN ROETHLISBERGER at QB.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Different vibe from Tomlin this past month. His postgame PCs after losses are different, he's much more open today than usual.
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I think he has to be the coach that Josina Anderson was talking about a couple weeks ago. He can see where this roster is headed…D stars are aging, no QB, Brod Jones trending towards being a bust…

I think they mutually agree to part ways, he does a year in the studio or just chilling, and is coaching some team that is constructed better in 2027.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
I think he has to be the coach that Josina Anderson was talking about a couple weeks ago. He can see where this roster is headed…D stars are aging, no QB, Brod Jones trending towards being a bust…

I think they mutually agree to part ways, he does a year in the studio or just chilling, and is coaching some team that is constructed better in 2027.
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Please, for the love of this team, let it be true!!!!
 
I don’t believe Tomlin goes anywhere after this year.
This version of Rooney the owner, is more concerned about the optics of the team
he owns, then wins and losses I’m afraid.
And we all know what’s happening in April, which is only a few months away.
The NFL draft being in Pittsburgh could be the biggest sporting event, and in fact any event that has happened in the city for a long time or maybe even ever.
My opinion is, you can’t fire a man that has the record, longevity, and has been the face of the Pittsburgh Steelers football club for so many years with this event looming on the horizon in our fair city.
 
steel dino said:
My opinion is, you can’t fire a man that has the record, longevity, and has been the face of the Pittsburgh Steelers football club for so many years with this event looming on the horizon in our fair city.
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Imho parting ways with Tomlin prior to the draft creates even more buzz, more publicity and gets even more people talking about a team that has grown irrelevant.

What will the new guy do???

If Art wants the team, not just the city, to truly be the center of attention for the draft the BEST possible way to do that is with new leadership…a LONG OVERDUE coaching change would be HUGE news.

We know Mike loves the spotlight and being the center of attention though, so obviously there is virtually no chance he leaves the team until the season after he gets a “home field” draft.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Shades is a proud and stubborn man.
Clearly he doesn't like losing but he's too stubborn to change what he does.
Cowher was also but he had the sense to change some things offensively (and got a good QB) and finally won The Big One.
Not that Chin was always great, he hired Ray Sherman and Kevin Gilbride as OC's and those two make Matt Canaduh look smart.
I will cut Chin a little slack since his time was at the peak of the Cheatriots and Spygate although it still pisses me off that neither Chin or Shades will admit to the Pats****** cheating despite all the evidence.
Always remember that when the Steelers were getting to 3 Super Bowls in 6 years they never had to face the Pats****** in the playoffs.
We know for a fact that the Giants with Eli Freaking Manning beat the Pats****** TWICE in the Super Bowl because Tom Coughlin was smart enough to change his defensive signals just for that game so Belicheat's and Ernie Adams' videos were useless.
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Cowher was great. But Chuck Noll is still the man in many ways, but one of those ways is with how they handled cheating. The Steelers had to go out to Oakland and deal with the crap the Raiders would do, but instead of whining about it or ignoring it, in the '75 AFCC game, the tarp just happened to rip, causing the areas out toward the sidelines of the field, where the Raiders made their living, to have a coating of ice. Al Davis was forever salty about it. That's how you deal with cheating.
 
diver said:
Cowher was great. But Chuck Noll is still the man in many ways, but one of those ways is with how they handled cheating. The Steelers had to go out to Oakland and deal with the crap the Raiders would do, but instead of whining about it or ignoring it, in the '75 AFCC game, the tarp just happened to rip, causing the areas out toward the sidelines of the field, where the Raiders made their living, to have a coating of ice. Al Davis was forever salty about it. That's how you deal with cheating.
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Oh yes! Thank you for the pleasant trip down Memory Lane! If I recall correctly, that was the game where Jack Lambert really stood out and introduced himself to the rest of the nation.
I also now remember how freaking cold it was that day!
I was a newspaper boy at the time and had to deliver the paper that morning!
The thick Sunday paper nonetheless, that you couldn’t fold and throw on somebody’s porch or front steps, also you had to stuff with the inserts of ads before you even started delivering throughout the neighborhood
 
diver said:
Cowher was great. But Chuck Noll is still the man in many ways, but one of those ways is with how they handled cheating. The Steelers had to go out to Oakland and deal with the crap the Raiders would do, but instead of whining about it or ignoring it, in the '75 AFCC game, the tarp just happened to rip, causing the areas out toward the sidelines of the field, where the Raiders made their living, to have a coating of ice. Al Davis was forever salty about it. That's how you deal with cheating.
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I was born in 78, but heard that story so many times, I love it LOL. Noll will always be #1, but the thing that really separates Cowher from Tomlin is that Cowher was able turn over his roster over and rebuild into a contender 3 or 4 times. And even during the down years they were a tough team to beat.
 
what we're missing is Tomlin is loading the roster with "pedigree" in a feeble attempt to cover up his own shortcomings.

Ben covered up the offensive ineptness for a long time.
Adding all the "pedigree" on defense just isn't working the way Shades expected.
 
steel dino said:
Oh yes! Thank you for the pleasant trip down Memory Lane! If I recall correctly, that was the game where Jack Lambert really stood out and introduced himself to the rest of the nation.
I also now remember how freaking cold it was that day!
I was a newspaper boy at the time and had to deliver the paper that morning!
The thick Sunday paper nonetheless, that you couldn’t fold and throw on somebody’s porch or front steps, also you had to stuff with the inserts of ads before you even started delivering throughout the neighborhood
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I remember having contests trying to see how close to the door you could get the paper without hitting the door. But if you did hit the door those Sunday papers made a hell of a bang. And a guy or his wife, or both in some cases, would come out yelling. They'd let you know about it at Christmas too, when you try to get a tip out of them.
 
Coryea said:
I was born in 78, but heard that story so many times, I love it LOL. Noll will always be #1, but the thing that really separates Cowher from Tomlin is that Cowher was able turn over his roster over and rebuild into a contender 3 or 4 times. And even during the down years they were a tough team to beat.
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Yeah. Boy you miss Cowher more and more. Are there any more Cohwer's out there? I feel like the guy in Detroit or Vrabel is more like that, but it's few and far between. A lot seem like pajama boys that peter out.

I always wish Cowher would have dealt with the NE stuff different. Get together with the hotel the Patriots are staying in and have alarms go off at 2:30 am. Have a fireworks display just happen to go off outside their hotel about 4 am. Make the showers in the Pats locker room only spray cold water. Childish, yeah, but so what with the shiit they were doing?
 
Coryea said:
He actually got to two AFCCG's with Kordell, won a playoff game with 5 different QB's, can any other coach say that? Yet guys like Marcus Spears, Arthur Moats, Ryan Clark say Tomlin shouldn't be expected to win a playoff game with the QB's he's had.
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Tomlin needs to go...there is no question about that. Having said that I have used the same argument as you before, but it's not a 100% true argument/comparison.


Cowher coached in a different era and I believe if he coached today he probably would not have anymore success than Tomlin just based on coaching ability. Now the thing Cowher has over Tomlin is he knew how to find great player talent and he hired good coaches and let them coach. How much of a difference would that make today? Who knows. I don't think enough to win championships.


The era Cowher coached in allowed Trent Dilfer to hoist up a Lombardi....think about that for a minute...


So, the idea that O'Donnell could have had one in his hands too is not that impressive, in fact it almost happened. And that is because defenses dominated that era and the rules allowed them to.


The irony in all this is Tomlin has succumbed to his own version, of Cowher's version , of Marty Ball...the thing is Marty Ball today is like walking around with a flip phone trying to get on the internet.


Tomlin started as head coach with Cowher's team and his coaches and had success with them, then as the league started to change in came Haley and the Killer Bs. He put everything into offense , neglected the defense and got burned....so what has he gone back to?


What he experienced at the beginning..and it doesnt work anymore. And it wouldn't work for Cowher either...


That's why one of the ex-jocks on the podcast i posted in another thread didn't do the usual ball slurping of Tomlin the sports media is known for and instead stated that Tomlin would NOT have more success if he went to another team. And that's because he has never been able to develop a QB, and he instead tries to build a star studded defense in an era where the stars need to be on the offensive side.


He tries to plug in a bunch of older cast offs into the offense. Yeah...I think he should just go into the broadcast booth and dazzle the audience with B.S.


To quote a truly great coach " Get on with his lifes work."
 
Gildong Sack said:
Tomlin needs to go...there is no question about that. Having said that I have used the same argument as you before, but it's not a 100% true argument/comparison.


Cowher coached in a different era and I believe if he coached today he probably would not have anymore success than Tomlin just based on coaching ability. Now the thing Cowher has over Tomlin is he knew how to find great player talent and he hired good coaches and let them coach. How much of a difference would that make today? Who knows. I don't think enough to win championships.


The era Cowher coached in allowed Trent Dilfer to hoist up a Lombardi....think about that for a minute...


So, the idea that O'Donnell could have had one in his hands too is not that impressive, in fact it almost happened. And that is because defenses dominated that era and the rules allowed them to.


The irony in all this is Tomlin has succumbed to his own version, of Cowher's version , of Marty Ball...the thing is Marty Ball today is like walking around with a flip phone trying to get on the internet.


Tomlin started as head coach with Cowher's team and his coaches and had success with them, then as the league started to change in came Haley and the Killer Bs. He put everything into offense , neglected the defense and got burned....so what has he gone back to?


What he experienced at the beginning..and it doesnt work anymore. And it wouldn't work for Cowher either...


That's why one of the ex-jocks on the podcast i posted in another thread didn't do the usual ball slurping of Tomlin the sports media is known for and instead stated that Tomlin would NOT have more success if he went to another team. And that's because he has never been able to develop a QB, and he instead tries to build a star studded defense in an era where the stars need to be on the offensive side.


He tries to plug in a bunch of older cast offs into the offense. Yeah...I think he should just go into the broadcast booth and dazzle the audience with B.S.


To quote a truly great coach " Get on with his lifes work."
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The Tomlin era Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson all won Super Bowls. Martyball is just a narrative that everyone likes to throw around. We threw the ball 52 times in the 1994 AFCCG and didn't trail until 10 minutes to go, 2001 AFFCG we threw the ball 28 times to 8 carries in the 1st half. Cowher absolutely would do better than Tomlin, also that Era the QB's didn't throw as much, but that meant there was more pressure on them, Aikmanx3, Young, Favre, Elwayx2, all were the winning QB's Cowher's first 7 seasons. QB's were extremely important still. We've seen Tannehill, Bortles, Jones, Mayfield, Jimmy G, Jared Goff, Watson, Luck, all win playoff games since Tomlin last won one, and some of those guys won more than once, and at least 4 of those guys won a playoff game on the road.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
And sometimes the chef must modify the recipe he’s cookin’ when it obviously sucks.
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Maybe the chef, only knows one recipe………..



Salute the nation
 
Coryea said:
I was born in 78, but heard that story so many times, I love it LOL. Noll will always be #1, but the thing that really separates Cowher from Tomlin is that Cowher was able turn over his roster over and rebuild into a contender 3 or 4 times. And even during the down years they were a tough team to beat.
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FACTS!
 
Coryea said:
The Tomlin era Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson all won Super Bowls. Martyball is just a narrative that everyone likes to throw around. We threw the ball 52 times in the 1994 AFCCG and didn't trail until 10 minutes to go, 2001 AFFCG we threw the ball 28 times to 8 carries in the 1st half. Cowher absolutely would do better than Tomlin, also that Era the QB's didn't throw as much, but that meant there was more pressure on them, Aikmanx3, Young, Favre, Elwayx2, all were the winning QB's Cowher's first 7 seasons. QB's were extremely important still. We've seen Tannehill, Bortles, Jones, Mayfield, Jimmy G, Jared Goff, Watson, Luck, all win playoff games since Tomlin last won one, and some of those guys won more than once, and at least 4 of those guys won a playoff game on the road.
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Marty Ball is not a narrative, It was a thing. And sure the football was passed back then, when did the West Coast offense first appear? Yeah, in the 1970s.
So, some teams leaned more on the pass in that era, but the majority did not. The status quo was: run the ball, good defense. This was not a Steelers thing as Tomlin said when he was hired..it was a league wide thing.

West Coast replaces a lot of runs with short passes, of course.

I don't disagree with you completely. Like I said in my other post: the thing Cowher had over Tomlin is he could draft/find great players, and he let his coaches coach....he was also stubborn.
I believe he would have won another Bowl or two in the few years after his retirement, but I can also see him not getting anywhere just like Tomlin if he had to coach in this day and age.

We'll never know.
 
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