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SHUTDOWN!

Troglodyte said:
MAGA is saying the democrats are responsible for the shutdown.
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They are. Period. Full stop. Trying to add free health care for illegal immigrants and funding for NPR ($1.5Trillion in additional spending) was utterly non-serious. When Dems were last in power, Republicans supported 13 CRs. Now, Demonrats are trying to use the CR to do more wild, stupid spending.

They will lose this war and we may end up seeing permanent cuts we wanted

Troglodyte said:
So are you praising the democrats or is MAGA wrong?
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Neither.
 
Troglodyte said:
MAGA is saying the democrats are responsible for the shutdown. So are you praising the democrats or is MAGA wrong?
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google isn't your friend, apparently. quick and simple search revealed this:

The Senate is expected to hold several votes Friday afternoon, including another round of procedural votes on the House-passed Republican measure to keep the government funded until Nov. 21 and a separate measure from Democrats to fund the government through October.

Both measures include security funding for lawmakers and other federal officials, but the Democratic measure would also make expiring Affordable Care Act tax credits permanent.

Republicans say negotiations on the tax credits, which expire at the end of the year, can happen once the government reopens.

The House-passed bill and its counterpart failed twice in the Senate last month. A procedural vote on each also failed Wednesday.

The Senate was in session Thursday, but no votes were held in observance of the Jewish holiday, Yom Kippur.
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from that far-right new source: https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/government-shutdown-third-day-trump-senate-house/
 
also from the alt-right msnbc:

The White House ratcheted up the pressure — and the blame — on Democrats during a press briefing more than 13 hours into the shutdown, urging them to abandon key demands.

Vice President JD Vance said in a White House press briefing that policy disagreements should not “serve as the basis for a government shutdown.”

He and White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt zeroed in on the standoff over health care, doubling down on their claims that Democrats want to give health care to “illegal immigrants.”

Federal law prohibits funding health care for undocumented immigrants, and Democrats are not advocating for such a move.

Democrats say they want to restore health care coverage options that were available to some immigrants before Trump’s “One Big Beautiful” tax bill earlier this year.

This has been a key sticking point in the impasse.

“I think it’s important to bracket the health care policy conversation, because it’s separate from the government shutdown,” Vance said.

“We think that we can open the government and then have the conversation about what best health care policy to fit the needs of the American people.”
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but, to address this line:
Federal law prohibits funding health care for undocumented immigrants, and Democrats are not advocating for such a move.
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Please refer to what @Tim Steelersfan posted above:
Tim Steelersfan

Post in thread 'SHUTDOWN!'

"We are NOT giving free healthcare to Illegals, that's a damn lie!" /every Demonrat

Meanwhile, the internet doesn't forget - https://www.newsweek.com/states-offering-health-coverage-undocumented-migrants-2077861

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Immigrants without legal status typically do not qualify for federal benefits, however, more than a dozen states offer various forms of health coverage to undocumented migrants.
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Tim Steelersfan said:
They are. Period. Full stop. Trying to add free health care for illegal immigrants and funding for NPR ($1.5Trillion in additional spending) was utterly non-serious. When Dems were last in power, Republicans supported 13 CRs. Now, Demonrats are trying to use the CR to do more wild, stupid spending.

They will lose this war and we may end up seeing permanent cuts we wanted



Neither.
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😂 Would you, just once, step outside your fake news bubble and get your facts straight?


 
I've been traveling so not paying much attention, but it cracks me up every time there is this big panic about a shutdown, and the vast, vast majority of Americans who don't work for the federal government don't notice a single iota of difference in their daily lives. Nobody cares.
 
Troglodyte said:
I provided a detailed explanation of the “incentives”. Fedderone offered “nuh-uh”. It’s not about facts for you, it’s about ideology. Prove me wrong.
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STRAIGHT comedy here.
I purposely didn't post a single link because ALL the times in the past that I have, your ONLY reply is, "Oh, USA Newspaper? Oh, the AMA? Oh, PBS? Oh _________ ( insert your choice )? Pff. Not reputable by my standards. Here's what Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow say and this is the only truth."
As you like saying to EVERY one else on this board, type it into your little Google machine, or DuckDuckGo, or Brave, or FireFox, or whatever Trog approved search engine you have, and the results will come up.
No tin foil hats. No conspiracies. Nothing to do with Orangeman or Maga, since he was only around for about a month/month and a 1/2 after the initial COVID vaccine was approved.
It's ALL public information.
NOT from Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Trump, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, Bill O'Reilly, the ghost of Rush Limbaugh.
This isn't a left vs right issue. Not Dems vs Repubs. Not liberal vs conservarive.
This has ZERO to do with anyone's political affiliations.
I am strictly speaking on reimbursements health care systems and providers received for administering care/treatment/vaccines for COVID from both the government and pharma companies.
It's not a big secret only I know.
Why you're outright refuting this, I don't know and don't care.
It's not my job to get you to accept reality and facts.
 
Troglodyte said:
😂 Would you, just once, step outside your fake news bubble and get your facts straight?


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From your link:
Hospitals do receive Medicaid reimbursements — which would be reduced under Trump’s bill — for emergency care that they are obligated to provide to people who meet other Medicaid eligibility requirements but do not have an eligible immigration status, according to KFF, a nonprofit health policy research, polling and news organization.
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Sounds like illegals can get emergency room fees paid for by Medicaid.
 
fedderone said:
STRAIGHT comedy here.
I purposely didn't post a single link because ALL the times in the past that I have, your ONLY reply is, "Oh, USA Newspaper? Oh, the AMA? Oh, PBS? Oh _________ ( insert your choice )? Pff. Not reputable by my standards. Here's what Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow say and this is the only truth."
As you like saying to EVERY one else on this board, type it into your little Google machine, or DuckDuckGo, or Brave, or FireFox, or whatever Trog approved search engine you have, and the results will come up.
No tin foil hats. No conspiracies. Nothing to do with Orangeman or Maga, since he was only around for about a month/month and a 1/2 after the initial COVID vaccine was approved.
It's ALL public information.
NOT from Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Trump, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, Bill O'Reilly, the ghost of Rush Limbaugh.
This isn't a left vs right issue. Not Dems vs Repubs. Not liberal vs conservarive.
This has ZERO to do with anyone's political affiliations.
I am strictly speaking on reimbursements health care systems and providers received for administering care/treatment/vaccines for COVID from both the government and pharma companies.
It's not a big secret only I know.
Why you're outright refuting this, I don't know and don't care.
It's not my job to get you to accept reality and facts.
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Superman said:
Please refer to what @Tim Steelersfan posted above:
Tim Steelersfan

Post in thread 'SHUTDOWN!'

"We are NOT giving free healthcare to Illegals, that's a damn lie!" /every Demonrat

Meanwhile, the internet doesn't forget - https://www.newsweek.com/states-offering-health-coverage-undocumented-migrants-2077861

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Immigrants without legal status typically do not qualify for federal benefits, however, more than a dozen states offer various forms of health coverage to undocumented migrants.
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And the states then get reimbursed for state medicare coverage from ... the Federal government.

So yes, the (D)imbos are trying to get American taxpayers to pay for medical care to illegal aliens.

Fact.

oneforthebus said:
I've been traveling so not paying much attention, but it cracks me up every time there is this big panic about a shutdown, and the vast, vast majority of Americans who don't work for the federal government don't notice a single iota of difference in their daily lives. Nobody cares.
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Whaaaaaaat?!?!? OFTB, I can barely render my response. My heartfelt Government Shutdown updates are apparently failing to convey the horror - the absolute debilitating, paralyzing terror - that the GS is causing! Hospitals are closed, planes are falling out of the sky, decomposing maniacs are roaming the streets biting and eating people!! It's on the news for God's sake!!

Okay, hold up, that might be the TV station showing Halloween horror flicks. Okay, yeah, that is World War Z, not a news channel, but still ... just you wait! The apocalypse is right around the corner!

Check in tomorrow for my Day 4 GS Update. I am debating venturing outside the fences ...
 
fedderone said:
STRAIGHT comedy here.
I purposely didn't post a single link because ALL the times in the past that I have, your ONLY reply is, "Oh, USA Newspaper? Oh, the AMA? Oh, PBS? Oh _________ ( insert your choice )? Pff. Not reputable by my standards. Here's what Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow say and this is the only truth."
As you like saying to EVERY one else on this board, type it into your little Google machine, or DuckDuckGo, or Brave, or FireFox, or whatever Trog approved search engine you have, and the results will come up.
No tin foil hats. No conspiracies. Nothing to do with Orangeman or Maga, since he was only around for about a month/month and a 1/2 after the initial COVID vaccine was approved.
It's ALL public information.
NOT from Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Trump, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, Bill O'Reilly, the ghost of Rush Limbaugh.
This isn't a left vs right issue. Not Dems vs Repubs. Not liberal vs conservarive.
This has ZERO to do with anyone's political affiliations.
I am strictly speaking on reimbursements health care systems and providers received for administering care/treatment/vaccines for COVID from both the government and pharma companies.
It's not a big secret only I know.
Why you're outright refuting this, I don't know and don't care.
It's not my job to get you to accept reality and facts.
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I didn’t post a link either. I shared my knowledge of the healthcare industry and Covid reimbursement. You didn’t.
 
speedicut said:
From your link:


Sounds like illegals can get emergency room fees paid for by Medicaid.
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It’s a law, hospitals cannot turn away a patient in need of emergency medical care regardless of ability to pay, immigration status, etc.

Do you really think UNDOCUMENTED immigrants are going to doctors offices and somehow presenting Medicare or Medicaid cards?

Think things through, rage bait often doesn’t make sense.
 
Troglodyte said:
It’s a law, hospitals cannot turn away a patient in need of emergency medical care regardless of ability to pay, immigration status, etc.

Do you really think UNDOCUMENTED immigrants are going to doctors offices and somehow presenting Medicare or Medicaid cards?
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No, as I quoted from your source, they go to the emergency room and Medicaid ( taxpayers) foots the bill.

Nice try with the deflection though :rolleyes:

Look, you know that you're wrong on this one, there no shame in admitting it. Take a loss when you have to and celebrate your wins... that's what normal people do.
 
speedicut said:
No, as I quoted from your source, they go to the emergency room and Medicaid ( taxpayers) foots the bill.

Nice try with the deflection though :rolleyes:

Look, you know that you're wrong on this one, there no shame in admitting it. Take a loss when you have to and celebrate your wins... that's what normal people do.
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Read RONALD REAGAN’S EMTALA Act. You’re embracing your pathetic ignorance and being manipulated.
 
there should be a law that states any funding for ANY foreign country or immigrants had to be approved by we the people via a special vote. It's our ******* money we should be the ones saying where it goes. They also must produce receipts.

Like I have said before I AM NOT for blanket student loan forgiveness but when the government whether is libtards or conservatives use the excuse of not forgiving student loans because tax payers didn't have a say in said loans, pisses me off. I have not had one say in all the ******* money that has been given to every ******* **** hole in the world and I have not had a say in given money to illegals in this country.

If these cocksuckers could figure out how to steal some of that forgiveness money you could be your sweet *** no one in America would owe a dime in student loan debt.
like I said not in favor of forgiveness but I sure as hell would rather see that then giving all this money to everyone but Americans, especially when we have a **** ton of people in this country that could use the help. like our seniors and Vets...
 
and another thing kick these fat lazy 3rd generation mother ******* off welfare and lets take care of the people that worked their whole life and PAID into the system. how about we allow our seniors to live a comfortable life in their twilight years instead of letting some fat *** twenty year old that already has four kids and can't stand the thought of working leach off the government; or we reward and support our vets that risked their life so you could sit your lazy *** at home and get paid for being a piece of ****....

Right now most people that are close to retirement are coming to terms with the fact they will probably have to work until they die, all the while we have millions that are entirely capable of working sucking the system dry.

I hope this mother ****** NEVER opens back up, lets get back to hunting, fishing and growing our own food, at least these lazy ******* leaches would have to do something to ******* eat.
 
Troglodyte said:
😂 Would you, just once, step outside your fake news bubble and get your facts straight?


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Riiiight. The Republicans wanted something to blame demonrats on so they made up the healthcare for illegals story.

Stepping out of your liberal fake news bubble is what actually needs to happen. It has for quite some time.


FACT: Democrats Shut Down Government Over Free Healthcare for Illegals​

The White House
October 1, 2025
Democrats and their Fake News allies want you to believe it’s all a lie that Democrats shut down the government over free healthcare for illegal aliens.

Except that’s exactly what happened. As Vice President JD Vance said, “It’s not something that we made up. It’s not a talking point. It is in the text of the bill that they initially gave to us to reopen the government.”

As the White House makes clear in a new memo, Democrats’ unserious proposal takes extraordinary efforts to accommodate illegal aliens while repealing reforms that strengthen healthcare for American citizens.

Here’s what you need to know:​

  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would result in nearly $200 billion spent on healthcare for illegal immigrants and other non-citizens over the next decade — enough to fund the entire Children’s Health Insurance Program.
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  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would once again allow those improperly granted asylum and parole under Biden’s open borders scheme to receive Medicaid.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would require Medicaid to pay more for emergency care provided to illegal aliens than it does for American patients who are disabled, elderly, or children.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would allow California to continue exploiting a loophole to fund Medicaid for illegal aliens.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would reinstate a special Obamacare subsidy for non-citizens — for which low-income American citizens are not eligible.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would repeal a generational $50 billion investment in rural healthcare.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would take Health Savings Accounts away from ten million American citizens.
 
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Hypocycloids said:
Riiiight. The Republicans wanted something to blame demonrats on so they made up the healthcare for illegals story.

Stepping out of your liberal fake news bubble is what actually needs to happen. It has for quite some time.


FACT: Democrats Shut Down Government Over Free Healthcare for Illegals​

The White House
October 1, 2025
Democrats and their Fake News allies want you to believe it’s all a lie that Democrats shut down the government over free healthcare for illegal aliens.

Except that’s exactly what happened. As Vice President JD Vance said, “It’s not something that we made up. It’s not a talking point. It is in the text of the bill that they initially gave to us to reopen the government.”

As the White House makes clear in a new memo, Democrats’ unserious proposal takes extraordinary efforts to accommodate illegal aliens while repealing reforms that strengthen healthcare for American citizens.

Here’s what you need to know:​

  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would result in nearly $200 billion spent on healthcare for illegal immigrants and other non-citizens over the next decade — enough to fund the entire Children’s Health Insurance Program.
opt-WFTCA-Illegal-Immigrant-Healthcare-Memo-FINAL-4.jpg

  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would once again allow those improperly granted asylum and parole under Biden’s open borders scheme to receive Medicaid.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would require Medicaid to pay more for emergency care provided to illegal aliens than it does for American patients who are disabled, elderly, or children.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would allow California to continue exploiting a loophole to fund Medicaid for illegal aliens.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would reinstate a special Obamacare subsidy for non-citizens — for which low-income American citizens are not eligible.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would repeal a generational $50 billion investment in rural healthcare.
  • FACT: Democrats’ proposal would take Health Savings Accounts away from ten million American citizens.
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Because Trump told you so. When you’re being gaslighted and you don’t care, you might be in a cult. When you think an UNDOCUMENTED immigrant could somehow have federally funded health insurance, you might be an idiot.
 
Troglodyte said:
Because Trump told you so. When you’re being gaslighted and you don’t care, you might be in a cult. When you think an UNDOCUMENTED immigrant could somehow have federally funded health insurance, you might be an idiot.
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OMG
You’re a lost cause.
There is a link provided for documentation regarding each claim and you still insist on playing the “Trump told you so” card.
You are the complete azzhole. Get help.
 
Troglodyte said:
Read RONALD REAGAN’S EMTALA Act. You’re embracing your pathetic ignorance and being manipulated.
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Are you aware that:
People go to the emergency room (ER) for non-emergencies due to lack of access to primary care, inability to get an appointment, convenience, fear of the condition's severity, and financial reasons such as flexible payment policies. Symptoms like routine aches and pains, colds, or minor cuts may be perceived as urgent, especially when primary care offices are closed or when patients lack insurance. The ER's 24/7 availability and the legal requirement to treat all patients, regardless of ability to pay under EMTALA, also make it a go-to option.

And you believe illegals would never do such a thing?

Are you also aware that:


Costs for undocumented immigrants visiting emergency rooms are primarily covered by
Emergency Medicaid, a federal-state program. This program helps reimburse hospitals for emergency services, which they are legally required to provide to all patients regardless of immigration status or ability to pay.
 
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Hypocycloids said:
Are you aware that:
People go to the emergency room (ER) for non-emergencies due to lack of access to primary care, inability to get an appointment, convenience, fear of the condition's severity, and financial reasons such as flexible payment policies. Symptoms like routine aches and pains, colds, or minor cuts may be perceived as urgent, especially when primary care offices are closed or when patients lack insurance. The ER's 24/7 availability and the legal requirement to treat all patients, regardless of ability to pay under EMTALA, also make it a go-to option.

And you believe illegals would never do such a thing?

Are you also aware that:


Costs for undocumented immigrants visiting emergency rooms are primarily covered by
Emergency Medicaid, a federal-state program. This program helps reimburse hospitals for emergency services, which they are legally required to provide to all patients regardless of immigration status or ability to pay.
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Actually read the law, learn that it only applies to emergency medical conditions, and then get back to me on who is aware of what.

Trump loves obedient simple types that don’t question him or care to educate themselves.
 
Troglodyte said:
Because Trump told you so. When you’re being gaslighted and you don’t care, you might be in a cult. When you think an UNDOCUMENTED immigrant could somehow have federally funded health insurance, you might be an idiot.
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Dude, quit digging!
 
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