Initial Thoughts - Jets game

[Ye Black Knight]

All in Jones ,watching again more than just Jones. Rogers with the turning the back did not help the situation. We won not pretty but first game against a new Jets look. Again watching the game after emotion, we came close so many times of making the play for a loss or breaking up a pass the effort was there. Rogers has shown he can sling it if we think oh we played badly think if we had the QB's last year, yesterday. No panic was on any eyes but Tomlin in the game. Loved Tomlin getting it on with the officials. Defensive line looked slow maybe not playing who knows, big holes need addressed. Not pretty or not as we or I would say the Steelers thought the jets would play. We saw a lot of TE use and crossing patterns which was nice. A win. Finally catching Rogers interview at end of game I would say he is in it seemed very humble against what we all have heard about him.

Is this A.I.?

 

[SojournerSteel]

Rodgers is one of the smartest players to ever play the position. He'll elevate the offensive scheme ALOT and make the trains run on time if his legs hold up.

He's probably somewhere between Favre in year 1 vs 2 in Minn. No reason why he can't channel Joe Cool in KC as well, again, if his legs hold up.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Is this A.I.?

looks like it.

 

[insaniti]

Rodgers is one of the smartest players to ever play the position. He'll elevate the offensive scheme ALOT and make the trains run on time if his legs hold up.

He's probably somewhere between Favre in year 1 vs 2 in Minn. No reason why he can't channel Joe Cool in KC as well, again, if his legs hold up.

He got us a free first down on 3rd and 5 as well, with the savvy vet move of getting the snap off before the D had all their players off. Had Smith been in camp the whole time with Rodgers, he might have known to take that route straight up and it would been a big play. But I was very impressed with Rodgers. Light years ahead of the QB play we had last year, and last year Fields was our best QB.

 

[topseed]

Jones was a project from the day he was drafted. He was a physical specimen but his technique was always questioned. He got away with stuff in college that doesn't fly in the pros. Add to that it appears he takes plays off and often doesn't play to the whistle and doesn't finish blocks. Those are work ethic problems. It's time people quit making excuses for him.

Seriously? "Projects" don't usually get drafted in the first half of round one, they get picked on day three. Jones was first-team all-SEC in 2022. He was inexperienced, yeah, but he was also almost universally projected to develop into a quality starting NFL left tackle sooner than later. You think the Steelers moving him to right tackle had absolutely nothing to do with stunting that development? OK.

 

[NoKap#7]

Seriously? "Projects" don't usually get drafted in the first half of round one, they get picked on day three. Jones was first-team all-SEC in 2022. He was inexperienced, yeah, but he was also almost universally projected to develop into a quality starting NFL left tackle sooner than later. You think the Steelers moving him to right tackle had absolutely nothing to do with stunting that development? OK.

who would you have made to play at right tackle?? Just curious...by the way i know of a few players drafted as projects in the first half of rd one although most have been QBs understandably. Anthony Richardson most recent. So yeah they can be drafted in the first half although im not saying BJ was one. I think he may have been a reach though because I dont believe he was their first or second choice.

 

[Punxsutawney]

The Steelers definitely don't win that game with Mason Rudolph, Justin Fields or Russell Wilson at QB.

Saying that, I'm not sure there is enough around Rodgers for the offense to score like that consistently.

He still has the arm, but obviously cannot avoid sacks and extend plays to the same degree he once did. Behind the Steelers OL, it is an issue, though Rodgers is not yet a total statue.

When the Buccaneers went to the Superbowl with a 40+ Tom Brady several years ago, they had one of the better OLs in the league. Rodgers situation doesn't seem to be nearly as ideal.

The Jets have a strong defensive front, but did we really see anything from the Steelers OL to believe it's going to be meaningfully better than it has been for years now? Retaining Pat Meyer might have been a huge mistake.

Calvin Austin had a good game receiving, but can he overcome his size enough to sustain it? Roman Wilson seems to have done another ghost act once the real games started.

The Steelers run defense Sunday was worrisome because it was basically a continuation of what we saw the last 5 or 6 games of last season.

Though not a total bust, Benton is looking destined to be just "a guy" in the league, and for as great of a season Heyward had in 2024, he was honestly looking kind of washed toward the end of it and looked the same to start this season.

There is a reason why the Steelers drafted Harmon and they need him out there.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Seriously? "Projects" don't usually get drafted in the first half of round one, they get picked on day three. Jones was first-team all-SEC in 2022. He was inexperienced, yeah, but he was also almost universally projected to develop into a quality starting NFL left tackle sooner than later. You think the Steelers moving him to right tackle had absolutely nothing to do with stunting that development? OK.

That was always my concern from day one. Instead of Jones starting LT from day one, they jacked him around all in favor of keeping the worst rated LT (Moore) in the NFL at his position (LT).

This is year 3 and Jones is finally given a chance to actually develop into LT, provided he can undo-erase the garbage pumped into him from RT play.

Mind boggling on that decision from the coaching staff.

ADD in “If you don’t know by now, we can’t help you”, and the Pat Meyer shittiestest OL coach ever…….. well all is recipe for failure.

Patience for the “rookie” LT to develope as best he can under these circumstances.




Salute the nation

 

[steelcan58]

That was always my concern from day one. Instead of Jones starting LT from day one, they jacked him around all in favor of keeping the worst rated LT (Moore) in the NFL at his position (LT).

This is year 3 and Jones is finally given a chance to actually develop into LT, provided he can undo-erase the garbage pumped into him from RT play.

Mind boggling on that decision from the coaching staff.

ADD in “If you don’t know by now, we can’t help you”, and the Pat Meyer shittiestest OL coach ever…….. well all is recipe for failure.

Patience for the “rookie” LT to develope as best he can under these circumstances.




Salute the nation

If Jones was even remotely serviceable I would gladly pin his downfall and shortcomings on position change and coaching. He's not even close. He gets handled almost every single play. At some point it just comes down to beating or even tying your opponent manno a manno. Jones got by with his physical size in college. I don't think there's been any time during his tenure in Pittsburgh that Jones should have started at any position. And that includes overtaking a really substandard Dan Moore.

 

[SteelerFan448]

The Steelers definitely don't win that game with Mason Rudolph, Justin Fields or Russell Wilson at QB.

Saying that, I'm not sure there is enough around Rodgers for the offense to score like that consistently.

He still has the arm, but obviously cannot avoid sacks and extend plays to the same degree he once did. Behind the Steelers OL, it is an issue, though Rodgers is not yet a total statue.

When the Buccaneers went to the Superbowl with a 40+ Tom Brady several years ago, they had one of the better OLs in the league. Rodgers situation doesn't seem to be nearly as ideal.

The Jets have a strong defensive front, but did we really see anything from the Steelers OL to believe it's going to be meaningfully better than it has been for years now? Retaining Pat Meyer might have been a huge mistake.

Calvin Austin had a good game receiving, but can he overcome his size enough to sustain it? Roman Wilson seems to have done another ghost act once the real games started.

The Steelers run defense Sunday was worrisome because it was basically a continuation of what we saw the last 5 or 6 games of last season.

Though not a total bust, Benton is looking destined to be just "a guy" in the league, and for as great of a season Heyward had in 2024, he was honestly looking kind of washed toward the end of it and looked the same to start this season.

There is a reason why the Steelers drafted Harmon and they need him out there.

Nice post. Keeping Meyer was the worst move of the offseason followed by Austin. It's hard to take this team seriously about real change without coaching changes. There is individual talent along the line, but the sum of the parts isn't there.

Benton is such a disappointment. He looked so good his rookie year and he has significantly regressed from what I thought he would be. He was getting handled in the run game on Sunday. For that matter, JPJ took a step back as well last season. We'll see what he can bring. Too often these good rookie seasons turn into regression on this team.

 

[SojournerSteel]

The Steelers definitely don't win that game with Mason Rudolph, Justin Fields or Russell Wilson at QB.

Saying that, I'm not sure there is enough around Rodgers for the offense to score like that consistently.

He still has the arm, but obviously cannot avoid sacks and extend plays to the same degree he once did. Behind the Steelers OL, it is an issue, though Rodgers is not yet a total statue.

When the Buccaneers went to the Superbowl with a 40+ Tom Brady several years ago, they had one of the better OLs in the league. Rodgers situation doesn't seem to be nearly as ideal.

The Jets have a strong defensive front, but did we really see anything from the Steelers OL to believe it's going to be meaningfully better than it has been for years now? Retaining Pat Meyer might have been a huge mistake.

Calvin Austin had a good game receiving, but can he overcome his size enough to sustain it? Roman Wilson seems to have done another ghost act once the real games started.

The Steelers run defense Sunday was worrisome because it was basically a continuation of what we saw the last 5 or 6 games of last season.

Though not a total bust, Benton is looking destined to be just "a guy" in the league, and for as great of a season Heyward had in 2024, he was honestly looking kind of washed toward the end of it and looked the same to start this season.

There is a reason why the Steelers drafted Harmon and they need him out there.

Rodgers is so smart and talented it's kind of a head scratcher that he hasn't gotten more than one ring. He's had stretches where he was as good as anybody ever was.

 

[Confluence]

Rodgers is so smart and talented it's kind of a head scratcher that he hasn't gotten more than one ring. He's had stretches where he was as good as anybody ever was.

There is a video comparing him to Marsha, including season stats, comebacks, TDs, MVPs, etc. where he is better than Brady in every comp.
Except SBs and defensive points allowed. His Pak gave up 5-6 more points/game for his entire career than Marsha's cheating MFing ********.
Hines Ward knows why.

this is a shorter version than the one I saw previously, but get the point across, other the guy forgot about the effing cheating *******:

https://share.google/lWtVqC5dp45RxQTcI

It's really a shame, because it's such a huge demarcation.

 

[SojournerSteel]

There is a video comparing him to Marsha, including season stats, comebacks, TDs, MVPs, etc. where he is better than Brady in every comp.
Except SBs and defensive points allowed. His Pak gave up 5-6 more points/game for his entire career than Marsha's cheating MFing ********.
Hines Ward knows why.

this is a shorter version than the one I saw previously, but get the point across, other the guy forgot about the effing cheating *******:

https://share.google/lWtVqC5dp45RxQTcI

It's really a shame, because it's such a huge demarcation.

As a Ben fanboy, I never liked Rodgers but you've got to give the devil his due there was nothing he couldn't do in his prime and he's in complete command mentally out there even now.

It's an odd match in that he's obviously smarter than the coaching staff here that's for sure. They are so lucky he came to town as he gives them a puncher's chance at winning 1-2 playoff games if he can stay upright.

 

[steelcan58]

Nice post. Keeping Meyer was the worst move of the offseason followed by Austin. It's hard to take this team seriously about real change without coaching changes. There is individual talent along the line, but the sum of the parts isn't there.

Benton is such a disappointment. He looked so good his rookie year and he has significantly regressed from what I thought he would be. He was getting handled in the run game on Sunday. For that matter, JPJ took a step back as well last season. We'll see what he can bring. Too often these good rookie seasons turn into regression on this team.

There definitely is some individual talent on the OL. Unfortunately it's only as good as the weakest link.

 

[SteelerFan448]

There definitely is some individual talent on the OL. Unfortunately it's only as good as the weakest link.

Meyer is the link. They have too much invested in the line to see it look messy every week just like there is too much talent on the defense to make Justin Fields look like an All Pro.

 

[steelcan58]

Meyer is the link. They have too much invested in the line to see it look messy every week just like there is too much talent on the defense to make Justin Fields look like an All Pro.

Keep going. There's a much bigger problem than Meyer. Three guys have 2 years experience and they're fine. Just because a guy is drafted early in the first doesn't make him non culpable.

 

[NoKap#7]

Meyer is the link. They have too much invested in the line to see it look messy every week just like there is too much talent on the defense to make Justin Fields look like an All Pro.

Justin Fields may have turned a corner though....unfortunately for us.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Benton is such a disappointment. He looked so good his rookie year and he has significantly regressed from what I thought he would be. He was getting handled in the run game on Sunday. For that matter, JPJ took a step back as well last season. We'll see what he can bring. Too often these good rookie seasons turn into regression on this team.

The luster has come off the top of that 2023 draft rather quickly, as Broderick Jones also had a good rookie year.

Steelers are a different team right now if Jones, JPJ and Benton were currently the players it once looked like they could be.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Rodgers is so smart and talented it's kind of a head scratcher that he hasn't gotten more than one ring. He's had stretches where he was as good as anybody ever was.

He's a top 10 all-time QB who seems to still have some left in the tank.

Saying that, his post season play with the Packers often didn't meet his regular season play, which is maybe something to think about down the road.

 

[steel dino]

Rodgers is so smart and talented it's kind of a head scratcher that he hasn't gotten more than one ring. He's had stretches where he was as good as anybody ever was.

Agreed sir----
And the irony is.....if it wasn't for an very untimely and unfortunate fumble by 34....he would be at nada..