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The Epstein Problem

Confluence said:
Or she could have been a participant, or fluffer.
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She could have. She may have known who the clients were.
I was just pointing out how she could be involved in trafficking without having to know who the clients were.
Everyone seems to believe otherwise.
 
Hypocycloids said:
It is entirely possible that Maxwell could have trafficked girls to Epsteins properties without knowing who the clients were.
Her role may have been to send them where Epstein instructed her to. That doesn’t require her having a client list either.

  • Facilitation of abuse. Maxwell organized the abuse, arranging for the victims to travel to and be sexually exploited at Epstein's properties in New York, Florida, New Mexico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Epstein then provided the plane rides to those his locations for his clientele.

My theory.
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Maxwell also has a submarine pilot license. What do you think she needs that for?
The late Jim Quinn reported on that months ago. DuckDuckGo will give you several hits on it, here is a short one.

 
Hypocycloids said:
I don’t follow. There indeed were victims and clientele.
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Tongue in cheek, of course there were, I think. I mean there must be, right, otherwise Epstein and Maxwell were charged for doing nothing.
And because they were charged, there have to be perps and victims, but it's just weird that no names have leaked, no witnesses or victims have spoken up.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
Tongue in cheek, of course there were, I think. I mean there must be, right, otherwise Epstein and Maxwell were charged for doing nothing.
And because they were charged, there have to be perps and victims, but it's just weird that no names have leaked, no witnesses or victims have spoken up.
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Most victims chose to remain anonymous, but victims have spoken up. That’s how Maxwell got convicted.

Publicly identified victims
Several women have become prominent figures in the case by speaking publicly and through legal filings using their names:
  • Virginia Roberts Giuffre: One of the most prominent accusers, she was a key figure in the 2015 defamation lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell. Her case led to the unsealing of numerous court documents detailing Epstein's abuse. A posthumous memoir by her is set to be published.
  • Annie Farmer: She testified against Ghislaine Maxwell at her 2021 trial, detailing how she and her sister were abused by Epstein.
  • Johanna Sjoberg: Her 2016 deposition, made public in 2024, recounted her abuse by Epstein and provided additional details about the many associates who visited Epstein's properties.
  • Courtney Wild: She was a victim who testified at a 2019 hearing in which numerous women were finally able to share their stories in court after Epstein's death.
  • Danielle Bensky: She is a publicly named victim who has spoken about her experiences.
  • Teresa Helm: She was present at Ghislaine Maxwell's trial in 2021.
  • Alicia Arden: She delivered a public statement regarding the case at a law office in 2020.
Anonymous victims
Most of Epstein's victims remain anonymous. They are identified in legal documents as "Jane Doe" or "John Doe" to protect their privacy.
  • In 2023, a woman identified as Jane Doe 1 received a $290 million settlement from JPMorgan Chase on behalf of herself and hundreds of other women who were abused by Epstein.
  • In February 2024, a group of 12 women, referred to only as "Jane Does," filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government, alleging that the FBI had failed to investigate Epstein despite credible tips dating back to 1996.
 
Hypocycloids said:
At 5:40

Sister of victim states Donald Trump never did anything wrong.

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Were you listening to the same thing I was? The video the presenter says the sister said she met Trump in Epstein's office and that Trump denies ever being in Epstein's office, and the presenter acknowledge's the sister never accused Trump of wrongdoing, which is not the same as saying he never did anything wrong.
 
Sarge said:
That’s awesome. I still think they should release what they have and prove it.
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You should listen to the video - Hypocycloid's take differs from mine. The presenter said the sister never accused Trump of wrongdoing.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
Were you listening to the same thing I was? The video the presenter says the sister said she met Trump in Epstein's office and that Trump denies ever being in Epstein's office, and the presenter acknowledge's the sister never accused Trump of wrongdoing, which is not the same as saying he never did anything wrong.
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Yes, I agree. I didn’t word it accurately.

But considering all the victims, none have come forward to implicate Trump, or even Clinton for that matter.

What I think Trump is worried about is his relationship with Epstein being front page news on a daily basis. Liberal news outlets gone wild with their manufactured speculations and opinions being reported as news.

After all, Trump colluded with Russia, and during COVID told Americans to drink fish tank cleaner, and his “good people on both sides “ comment included white supremecists.
 
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Ironcitysteelers said:
So who validates these folks coming forward as actual victims? Not trying to discredit anyone but the question has to be asked.
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Even if they are victims they could literally name anyone or say anything they wanted. I guess it is a starting point, but who is going to validate or invalidate the claims
 
jitter77 said:
Even if they are victims they could literally name anyone or say anything they wanted. I guess it is a starting point, but who is going to validate or invalidate the claims
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Saw a lady on the news this morning who said Epstein kicked her out when she turned 16 because she was "too old".
WTF?
 
No matter how big of a shyte show this turns into, as long as Trump isn’t named as an abuser, he can move on and distance himself while all named parties go up in flames. As we have seen many times before, the accusers MUST BE BELIEVED. I’m just hoping enough Dems and problematic Reps, as well huge money players are implicated. Here is hoping Clinton, Bezos, Gates, Prince Edward are specifically named to start. It would be quite enjoyable to see those 4 lose everything they have in life, since we know they won’t actually go to jail.
 
MT~Forged said:
No matter how big of a shyte show this turns into, as long as Trump isn’t named as an abuser, he can move on and distance himself while all named parties go up in flames. As we have seen many times before, the accusers MUST BE BELIEVED. I’m just hoping enough Dems and problematic Reps, as well huge money players are implicated. Here is hoping Clinton, Bezos, Gates, Prince Edward are specifically named to start. It would be quite enjoyable to see those 4 lose everything they have in life, since we know they won’t actually go to jail.
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Thing is, any of the ten ladies in the news yesterday can speak up and tell us who Epstein had them sleeping with.
As far as I know, Virginia Giuffre is the only one who's named names and now she's dead.

 
Ironcitysteelers said:
So who validates these folks coming forward as actual victims? Not trying to discredit anyone but the question has to be asked.
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you sexiss ***. we've been told for decades to "belee all wimmenz"
 
i do wonder how Bill sleeps at night, knowing Hitlery may very well off him as soon as his eyes close.

well, if I was Bill, I'd be hoping she would. i couldn't imagine waking every goddamned morning to that nightmare of a woman.
 
Superman said:
i do wonder how Bill sleeps at night, knowing Hitlery may very well off him as soon as his eyes close.

well, if I was Bill, I'd be hoping she would. i couldn't imagine waking every goddamned morning to that nightmare of a woman.
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You really think that they have any life together at all? Maybe short public appearances. Not a chance they share a room. I doubt they share a house.
 
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