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Cam Heyward wants a new deal

I’d say more than anything it’s not so much adjustments but him being reactive to the situation/climate of how the game is unfolding that causes a level of urgency/desperation to break his ultra conservative tendencies.
but that is an adjustment by definition.
 
I love this comment.

I was the same person, as your brother-in-law. Chasing money and fancy titles.

I don't want to make this a religious thing, but, it is so please - give me a pardon as I provide more context.

While I doing all that 'paper chasing' - I forgot about how I got there and who allowed me to get there. The Man Upstairs. God knocked me smack into the dirt back in April and He's been teaching me exactly what @slashsteel stated. I've applied with nearly 300 companies, and just this week, doors are opening for interviews. Yes, the money is much less, but over the past month and a half, the state of Utah caught up with me and garnished over a grand from my checks every 2 weeks - guy punch us, but we've learned to live with less income and both opportunities are right there where my lessened income has been.

I'm done with the chase. My feet are grounded and I'm ready to live a simpler life!!!
Food, water, and shelter … he always provides. 👏
 
I don't think its so much about adjustments. I do understand that word. It's basically this is what we expected. This is what they are doing, here is what we have to do in response. And Im not saying that isn't part of some of the short comings. That said I think the real issue is more that you have a coach with a philosophy that wins a lot of football games but has a ceiling you can't really break through in tge modern game. Out physical teams and you can win a lot of football games. Limit exposure to big plays. You can win a lot of football games. Limit your teams turnovers by neglecting more dangerous areas if the field. You can win a lot of football games. But how are you going to beat the truly elite teams who just wanna outscore you? They will forfeit sone of those knowing your offense simply is not good enough to keep up.
 
but that is an adjustment by definition.

If you want to call coming in utterly unprepared, and then having to open up from an ultra conservative philosophy out of desperation “an adjustment “ then indeed Mike is good at adjustments. I hesitate to call that an adjustment.

I wasn’t really arguing the adjustments thing, I think he is mediocre in that department... Not poor and definitely not exceptional.

One thing I know for sure is his undisciplined team will come in flat and unprepared looking like they haven’t even practiced all week a majority of games as evidenced by the abysmal first quarter outputs. Eventually his poor clock killing philosophy will require a move to open up his game a little and the output increases.
 
This! Hoping someone is hurt much less a Steelers player is just stupid. And honestly Cam has been mostly a great ambassador for the team. Half expecting an injury because the guy probably isnt prepared to play isnt the same as hoping for it.


100% agree, can’t believe for the life of me that someone would actually hope for a player to get hurt.

Not me, I hope for best play and health.



Salute the nation
 
Unfortunately it is usually to late when he does adjust.
Well as always I think it i a bit overblown. I think he doe better at it more often than people will admit. I hear the American thing about many coaches. I think many fan bases feel the same. He has had some bad games and some good ones.
 
Well as always I think it i a bit overblown. I think he doe better at it more often than people will admit. I hear the American thing about many coaches. I think many fan bases feel the same. He has had some bad games and some good ones.
You would be wrong. Tomlin sucks at in-game adjustments. We have years of game coverage to back it up. Sorry.
 
I don’t think he is any worse than most coaches and was pretty good last year regular season. My opinion.
Unfortunately he is worse than the upper echelon of coaches.
 
I don’t think he is any worse than most coaches and was pretty good last year regular season. My opinion.

Yes he really did adjust quite nicely down the stretch to keep his generational game wrecker on D an impact player by moving him around and helping avoid all the double teams and chips…that was a huge key to our success those last 5 games.

Oh wait, that was just the super duper obvious adjustment 99% of SN with eyeballs would’ve made…but not Mike, he’s a true 1%er
 
" Either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't" Cam should take his own advice.

He signed that 2 year deal, he should stick to it. Pretty poor coming from a leader right before the start of the season. Sounds like he's more focused on himself then trying to get a ring.
 
So Lamar Jackson makes about 40 million this year. Then he makes a little less then double Watt money for two years. Then he is likely in renegoatiation. But he is a QB. And I just dont believe a non qb can effect the game that way. The money this team has hooked into Watt, DK and Ramsey. All guys on the downside of their careers just is not a good idea. Sorry. Proof will be in the pudding. Let's see them win a playoff game. Now you might point to this or that reason. Well if you are going to throw that kinda cake at three players they have to be reasons why you win division and a playoff game.

Why would seeing him out be satisfying? I don't get the stupid hate.
I just don't like him, he's a fake hypocrite. When it comes to teammates $ and contracts he's a "Team first" guy, very outspoken and loud. But when its his contract and $ its "Cam first"
Plus he's been the captain of 5 of the absolute worst playoff defenses in history, 1-11 without TJ, the true captain. He's an attention seeking drama queen, does not carry himself like an old school Steeler captain, yet tries to pretend he is. From the facepaint to running his mouth to his look at me youtube channel. He doesn't need the money from youtube, just needs the attention for his ego. Could you ever see any other Steelers captain playing mr social media influencer 2 weeks before the season??
I don't want to see him hurt, obviously. I don't want to see anyone hurt, not even a Raven.
 
Don’t lump me in on the negative NANCY bull-****.

I don’t want anyone hurt, but that is part of the game.

I can dang-well tell you right now…… If we win a Lombardi, regardless of who gets hurt, I’m going to be satisfied !!!!!!




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Damn right. I don't want to see any of these guys hurt, not even Browns Bengals or Ravens.
That said if you gave me the choice between Harmon and Cam? lol I did that math in my head last night. My first reaction was Harmon is the last guy on the D-line I want to see go down.
 
I just don't like him, he's a fake hypocrite. When it comes to teammates $ and contracts he's a "Team first" guy, very outspoken and loud. But when its his contract and $ its "Cam first"
Plus he's been the captain of 5 of the absolute worst playoff defenses in history, 1-11 without TJ, the true captain. He's an attention seeking drama queen, does not carry himself like an old school Steeler captain, yet tries to pretend he is. From the facepaint to running his mouth to his look at me youtube channel. He doesn't need the money from youtube, just needs the attention for his ego. Could you ever see any other Steelers captain playing mr social media influencer 2 weeks before the season??
I don't want to see him hurt, obviously. I don't want to see anyone hurt, not even a Raven.
I think that is all wildly overblown. I love Cam and what he does for the team. Best run defense splits in the league last year when he was on the field and worst when he was off it. I don't blame the defense for the payoff issues as much as others when the offense totally lays an egg and tries to rely on the defense to be superhuman after it carried their ***** into the playoffs giving everything they had to just get there. They have had to face some pretty damn good QBs based on their low seeds or the offense has turned the ball over 4 times early.
 
I think that is all wildly overblown. I love Cam and what he does for the team. Best run defense splits in the league last year when he was on the field and worst when he was off it. I to be superhuman after it carried their ***** into the playoffs giving everything they had to just get there. They have had to face some pretty damn good QBs based on their low seeds or the offense has turned the ball over 4 times early.
And that is how Tomlin built his team ......ultra conservative offense and relies on his D. It is just that Tomlin believes his scheme defensively is great. And unfortunately it isn't.
 
And that is how Tomlin built his team ......ultra conservative offense and relies on his D. It is just that Tomlin believes his scheme defensively is great. And unfortunately it isn't.
It wasn't always ultra conservative. Only with end stage Ben and a bunch of wannabes and nobodies since. Let's see what he does with a Hall of Famer who still has his arm seemingly and is much smarter than the last two, and taller.
 
It wasn't always ultra conservative. Only with end stage Ben and a bunch of wannabes and nobodies since. Let's see what he does with a Hall of Famer who still has his arm seemingly and is much smarter than the last two, and taller.
How do you explain his highest paid defense getting embarrassed year after year? A HOF coach shouldn't have to have a HOF QB to be competitive in the postseason. Mike McDaniel took a team QB'd by Skylar Thompson into Buffalo vs Josh Allen and lost by 3 points. I'm sure I don't need to bring up all the teams Cowher won with while having avg QB's.

I love how everyone just leaves out that he had a future HOF QB that was only 36 years old last season, coming off a 98 QB rating season where he beat Mahomes, Allen, Herbert twice, I guess that doesn't count as having a good QB?
 
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How do you explain his highest paid defense getting embarrassed year after year? A HOF coach shouldn't have to have a HOF QB to be competitive in the postseason. Mike McDaniel took a team QB'd by Skylar Thompson into Buffalo vs Josh Allen and lost by 3 points.
yeah but we went into Buffalo in the playoff with Mason Rudolph and lit those fools up

oh wait, that might not have been what happened...that may have just been another in a long line of embarrassing playoff appearances I had to memory block cuz it was so brutal...aka "the standard"
 
yeah but we went into Buffalo in the playoff with Mason Rudolph and lit those fools up

oh wait, that might not have been what happened...that may have just been another in a long line of embarrassing playoff appearances I had to memory block cuz it was so brutal...aka "the standard"
oh yeah I remember that game, it was the game where Buffalo took the ball on their opening drive, and had like a 10 play drive resulting in a TD we were down 7-0, then were trailing 14-0 10 minutes into the game, and 21-0 22 minutes into the game, we almost had them too.
 
How do you explain his highest paid defense getting embarrassed year after year? A HOF coach shouldn't have to have a HOF QB to be competitive in the postseason. Mike McDaniel took a team QB'd by Skylar Thompson into Buffalo vs Josh Allen and lost by 3 points. I'm sure I don't need to bring up all the teams Cowher won with while having avg QB's.

I love how everyone just leaves out that he had a future HOF QB that was only 36 years old last season, coming off a 98 QB rating season where he beat Mahomes, Allen, Herbert twice, I guess that doesn't count as having a good QB?
Cowher didn’t win a Super Bowl until he had Ben. The single biggest predictor of post season success is the quality of QB play. There are outliers but they are the exception that proves the rule. Great QBs make great coaches. Very rarely does a coach make the QB. When the highest paid defense has to give everything that they have to get you there they likely don’t have a lot left once they do get there. They usually are a few important pieces down by then. If the offense had played even close to the quality the defense played to get them there the defense wouldn’t likely be as drained as banged up.

Name for me many HoF coaches that didn’t have a HoF QB. You can find a couple but not many.

We have lost to Lamar, Josh, Mahomes and I will add Baker to that list as he has been pretty damn good. We aren’t losing recently to scrubs. Not that we haven’t in the past.
 
Cowher didn’t win a Super Bowl until he had Ben. The single biggest predictor of post season success is the quality of QB play. There are outliers but they are the exception that proves the rule. Great QBs make great coaches. Very rarely does a coach make the QB. When the highest paid defense has to give everything that they have to get you there they likely don’t have a lot left once they do get there. They usually are a few important pieces down by then. If the offense had played even close to the quality the defense played to get them there the defense wouldn’t likely be as drained as banged up.

Name for me many HoF coaches that didn’t have a HoF QB. You can find a couple but not many.

We have lost to Lamar, Josh, Mahomes and I will add Baker to that list as he has been pretty damn good. We aren’t losing recently to scrubs. Not that we haven’t in the past.
I didn't say Cowher won a Super Bowl without Ben, but he made 4 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl without Ben, Tomlin can't even be competitive, and everyone's excuse is well he doesn't have a QB, that doesn't excuse him for not being competitive.
2017 they had one of the best offenses in football, the defense allowed Blake Bortles to score 35 on them, yes I subtracted 10 points from that because of the offense.
Over the last 7 games in 2020 the defense allowed 26.5 points per game, so they were exhausted half way through the season? The offense that year was 12th in points scored, KC in 2023 was 15th in points and won the Super Bowl.
2021 the highest paid defense was bad all year, 24th in yards allowed, 21st in points, the offense was actually better.
 
I didn't say Cowher won a Super Bowl without Ben, but he made 4 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl without Ben, Tomlin can't even be competitive, and everyone's excuse is well he doesn't have a QB, that doesn't excuse him for not being competitive.
2017 they had one of the best offenses in football, the defense allowed Blake Bortles to score 35 on them, yes I subtracted 10 points from that because of the offense.
Over the last 7 games in 2020 the defense allowed 26.5 points per game, so they were exhausted half way through the season? The offense that year was 12th in points scored, KC in 2023 was 15th in points and won the Super Bowl.
2021 the highest paid defense was bad all year, 24th in yards allowed, 21st in points, the offense was actually better.
Stop it with all of these facts....Please!!!!
 
I didn't say Cowher won a Super Bowl without Ben, but he made 4 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl without Ben, Tomlin can't even be competitive, and everyone's excuse is well he doesn't have a QB, that doesn't excuse him for not being competitive.
2017 they had one of the best offenses in football, the defense allowed Blake Bortles to score 35 on them, yes I subtracted 10 points from that because of the offense.
Over the last 7 games in 2020 the defense allowed 26.5 points per game, so they were exhausted half way through the season? The offense that year was 12th in points scored, KC in 2023 was 15th in points and won the Super Bowl.
2021 the highest paid defense was bad all year, 24th in yards allowed, 21st in points, the offense was actually better.
think he went to 5 without Ben
 
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