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Above all else in pre season

Drunk and Riding…..????



Salute the nation

You will get pulled over…. .if it’s a motorcycle you’re riding.
I don’t know about if you’re drunk and riding a horse.

One lesson I learned about drinking and driving…don’t..,because you may spill some on yourself.
 
I just dont think we should draft a QB just to draft one. Im also not a fan of sacrificing basically the whole draft to move up. I get we need a QB but if take one just to take one we are just wasting a pick / multiple picks. We can be patient and roll a yr or two w/ Rudy / Howard. If we pick someone and it doesnt work out fans will say they reached. If we dont pick anyone fans will say they are not addressing the situation. Defintely a tough spot to be in
What they should have done this year instead of putting up the 10 win season facade.
 
So how do you feel about evaluating QBs vs. College level talent which all but the very best will not play in NFL preseason.

Not sure I’m understanding your question properly, I’m guessing you are talking about evaluating QBs in college vs guys that won’t be in/make it to the NFL?

The college level talent they are playing is frequently close in caliber...at least in conference games are (teams are also game planning). Obviously can’t take much away from the games where the team basically schedules a bye week (Georgia vs Charlotte/Austin Peay type of games).

Evaluating college QBs I look at a few things: accuracy, mobility, arm strength, throwing under pressure, touch, field vision and whether the QB is improving year after year.

All of these traits are fairly easily to evaluate in college games and I have been able to successfully identify good QBs and busts with pretty good accuracy.

Preseason is just a shell game, hard to take much away in any meaningful way. So many OL blowing assignments, receivers running wrong routes and defenses playing basic ***** stuff.
 
I just dont think we should draft a QB just to draft one. Im also not a fan of sacrificing basically the whole draft to move up. I get we need a QB but if take one just to take one we are just wasting a pick / multiple picks. We can be patient and roll a yr or two w/ Rudy / Howard. If we pick someone and it doesnt work out fans will say they reached. If we dont pick anyone fans will say they are not addressing the situation. Defintely a tough spot to be in

They won’t draft one “just to draft one”
They have a clear need for their franchise QB
This need has been present for years
The vet retreads have not been working
This draft has several good QB prospects
A massive move up won’t be necessary
They will take a swing, how early the only question

If you think a new GM is going through a 3rd draft without swinging you’re crazy. The only thing that slowed him towards this was getting left KFP by the last GM/HC poor decision.

They’ve been doing the right things trying to get the OL improved and get a few weapons in place. It is an obvious play.

It would be shocking to not see a QB in the first two rounds, and the only way they wait til 2nd is if the board breaks in a certain unlikely way where a can’t miss non QB falls in their lap and the QBs are coming off slow. Then they trade up in the 2nd for their guy. Could even be a trade back into the bottom of the first to get that option year.

Unless Rodgers gets that Lombardi AND decides to run it back, then maybe things change. I’ll gladly eat that plate of crow.
 
When you are playing against ones in an NFL preseason game you are playing infinetly higher talent then any college games. 7 Crimson Tide players were drafted. Likely three will play in the NFL. That's a premiere NFL Factory team. And yes when you played them many more will come down that pipe. But its imature talent. And yes they are playing vanilla. But its NFL vanilla.j
 
They won’t draft one “just to draft one”
They have a clear need for their franchise QB
This need has been present for years
The vet retreads have not been working
This draft has several good QB prospects
A massive move up won’t be necessary
They will take a swing, how early the only question

If you think a new GM is going through a 3rd draft without swinging you’re crazy. The only thing that slowed him towards this was getting left KFP by the last GM/HC poor decision.

They’ve been doing the right things trying to get the OL improved and get a few weapons in place. It is an obvious play.

It would be shocking to not see a QB in the first two rounds, and the only way they wait til 2nd is if the board breaks in a certain unlikely way where a can’t miss non QB falls in their lap and the QBs are coming off slow. Then they trade up in the 2nd for their guy. Could even be a trade back into the bottom of the first to get that option year.

Unless Rodgers gets that Lombardi AND decides to run it back, then maybe things change. I’ll gladly eat that plate of crow.
Here is where my point is. There will be some kinda crop of QB talent next year. And this guy will be the next coming of whoever, but it's just car showroom bullshit. Will Howard looked pretty damn impressive dicing up three big programs in the college playoffs. So why not play him as much as you can now when yeah it doesn't mean much but it is NFL talent. And no one plays football 90 percent. That's how you get hurt. Cause I can guarentee you this. If they end up where most of us think.......18-22 draft pick 3rd or 4th QB off the board. In the back of theirs and everyone else's mind you will be saying is he really better the Howard.
* You are probably looking at Sellars, Mendoza or Allar*
 
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Exactly. It isnt sink or swim for the season here. But if you want to compare Will Howard to next year's crop.......what better possible opportunity are you going to get. Very unlikely the Steelers will be in the Manning kid range should he declare. Or likely not in the range of any of the more sure fire picks without a significant trade up. You will never get better film.
There really isn’t any real info on Manning yet, it’s all hope at this time because of his name. He could look like hell as the starter, you just don’t know.

Pimping anyone should wait till at least the week before the playoffs, maybe not even then.
 
There really isn’t any real info on Manning yet, it’s all hope at this time because of his name. He could look like hell as the starter, you just don’t know.

Pimping anyone should wait till at least the week before the playoffs, maybe not even then.
He's probably going to be at least very good. And with his name that will put him in the top 10. College careers are extremely manufactured.
If he looks less then top 10 he probably stays another year with the NIL cash.
 
There really isn’t any real info on Manning yet, it’s all hope at this time because of his name. He could look like hell as the starter, you just don’t know.

Pimping anyone should wait till at least the week before the playoffs, maybe not even then.
His appearance has been short but he has flashed.

If I was a betting man two good seasons and he is looking at number 1 overall…
 
Here is where my point is. There will be some kinda crop of QB talent next year. And this guy will be the next coming of whoever, but it's just car showroom bullshit. Will Howard looked pretty damn impressive dicing up three big programs in the college playoffs. So why not play him as much as you can now when yeah it doesn't mean much but it is NFL talent. And no one plays football 90 percent. That's how you get hurt. Cause I can guarentee you this. If they end up where most of us think.......18-22 draft pick 3rd or 4th QB off the board. In the back of theirs and everyone else's mind you will be saying is he really better the Howard.
* You are probably looking at Sellars, Mendoza or Allar*

I’d likely take Green or Leavitt over any of those three…which shows how wide open the QB class is/can be. There are at least 8-10 guys that will likely get their names tossed around as top prospects…I know I wouldn’t touch Sellers with a ten foot pole right now (but I’d take him over Allar and Mendoza??? Holy crapshoot!) He’s got a lot of proving it to do, in all honesty they all need to show serious growth.

I’m for giving Howard reps too, just don’t think you can put too much stock in preseason and since we’ve got a precious streak of 18 straight chips on the line gotta get Rodgers and Rudy ready to ride too.

They will draft another QB next year
Let whoever that QB is and Howard duke it out and may the best man win…hopefully that best man doesn’t wind up being Rudy🤣

I know whoever they draft I’ll just be hoping he (or Howard) ends up being better than Dart…and becomes the long term solution…having two good young guns would be a nice problem to have.

Not in any way trying to dismiss Howard, I like the kid and wish him the best of luck…he’ll need it.
 
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There really isn’t any real info on Manning yet, it’s all hope at this time because of his name. He could look like hell as the starter, you just don’t know.

Pimping anyone should wait till at least the week before the playoffs, maybe not even then.

The only real info on the half breed so far is that he makes hella NIL, and he wasn’t able to beat a guy drafted in the 7th round of the draft for the job last year. That last name is buying him any credit he has right now cuz he’s literally done ZERO so far in college. Beat a couple absolute tomato cans and looked very meh vs a weak GA defense.

It’s all just hype so far.
 
They won’t draft one “just to draft one”
They have a clear need for their franchise QB
This need has been present for years
The vet retreads have not been working
This draft has several good QB prospects
A massive move up won’t be necessary
They will take a swing, how early the only question

If you think a new GM is going through a 3rd draft without swinging you’re crazy. The only thing that slowed him towards this was getting left KFP by the last GM/HC poor decision.

They’ve been doing the right things trying to get the OL improved and get a few weapons in place. It is an obvious play.

It would be shocking to not see a QB in the first two rounds, and the only way they wait til 2nd is if the board breaks in a certain unlikely way where a can’t miss non QB falls in their lap and the QBs are coming off slow. Then they trade up in the 2nd for their guy. Could even be a trade back into the bottom of the first to get that option year.

Unless Rodgers gets that Lombardi AND decides to run it back, then maybe things change. I’ll gladly eat that plate of crow.
I guess my concern is your top 3 guys are gone already. Do you pick your 4th best QB in the first round or hope he is there in round 2. I can just see us reaching because we need a QB. Also if we are taking the 4th best option what are the odds that will pan out? I can see us taking Allar because he is local and "looks" the part. I am not sold on him, but this year should show alot.
 
I guess my concern is your top 3 guys are gone already. Do you pick your 4th best QB in the first round or hope he is there in round 2. I can just see us reaching because we need a QB. Also if we are taking the 4th best option what are the odds that will pan out? I can see us taking Allar because he is local and "looks" the part. I am not sold on him, but this year should show alot.
Im going to assume under the current situation they will be selling the heavy draft capital to get one of the top three might include 2027 first rounder plus 2026 capital.
 
I guess my concern is your top 3 guys are gone already. Do you pick your 4th best QB in the first round or hope he is there in round 2. I can just see us reaching because we need a QB. Also if we are taking the 4th best option what are the odds that will pan out? I can see us taking Allar because he is local and "looks" the part. I am not sold on him, but this year should show alot.

I doubt my top 3 will match the “consensus” top 3 by many…hard to say until the season plays out.
With about 8-10 guys that will be pimped as top prospects there will be a talented QB available when we pick without even moving up of (if I had to guess). We’ll probably pick about 20-23 without moving up. Assuming 3-4 guys go ahead of that pick all it takes is to pick the right guy out of the remaining 5 or so “early” prospects. That’s where it pays to have good scouts and GM.

Just gotta pick the right guy that is available.

I’m not opposed to a slight move up but they are going to need to replenish some talent in other places too. If they trade a ton of capital and pick the wrong guy, that’s when problems set in.
 
Franchise qb wins for the Steelers have come at picks 1 and 11. Moving up significantly is likely part of the plan.

It very well may be

But just because they’ve only landed two franchise QBs that were both early picks does not mean that that will be the correct move this coming draft

Every draft scenario is different

It’s not like they’ve taken a bunch of later first that have missed in the SB era

They’ve only swung what, 4 times? Malone and Pickett vs Bradshaw and Roethlisberger

That’s a fairly small sample size

Seems they may want to think about swinging more frequently to avoid their current situation in the future. Being a bit proactive when they have a QB rather than reactive to being phucked
 
I just dont think we should draft a QB just to draft one. Im also not a fan of sacrificing basically the whole draft to move up. I get we need a QB but if take one just to take one we are just wasting a pick / multiple picks. We can be patient and roll a yr or two w/ Rudy / Howard. If we pick someone and it doesnt work out fans will say they reached. If we dont pick anyone fans will say they are not addressing the situation. Defintely a tough spot to be in

Yeah, honestly it may make sense to just draft several and see what plays out... the truth is the NFL has always had a piss poor evaluation process for QBs because nothing correlates to nfl Success... not arm strength, in fact the majority of big arm qbs bust, college stats or winning are beyond meaningless... read and react times can be masked by system...

I mean most 1st round qbs are bust and frankly most qbs in the NFL hang around due to pedigree or potential or just willingness for super conservative play


They really really need a minor league system to vet and develop guys right... cause otherwise its a total crapshoot... trade into the top ten and there is still a 50/50 chance the guy you take will flop... and half the success stories only developed because they got so many chances due to being a high pick... so who's to say more of the late rounders wouldnt turn out better with better opportunities
 
Yeah, honestly it may make sense to just draft several and see what plays out... the truth is the NFL has always had a piss poor evaluation process for QBs because nothing correlates to nfl Success... not arm strength, in fact the majority of big arm qbs bust, college stats or winning are beyond meaningless... read and react times can be masked by system...

I mean most 1st round qbs are bust and frankly most qbs in the NFL hang around due to pedigree or potential or just willingness for super conservative play


They really really need a minor league system to vet and develop guys right... cause otherwise its a total crapshoot... trade into the top ten and there is still a 50/50 chance the guy you take will flop... and half the success stories only developed because they got so many chances due to being a high pick... so who's to say more of the late rounders wouldnt turn out better with better opportunities
Exactly

With about 8-10 “top” QB prospects that all have flaws and all look like they should be in the 20-50 range (as of today) I’d almost suggest taking a WR in the first if a playmaker is there and then double/triple dip out of those last 5-6 guys that go after the top 10 picks. Let em duke it out in camp and hope someone is a hit.

Gotta see how the board unfolds and if any of these alleged “top” prospects actually separate from the pack this season first tho.

With so many picks though they should be moving around a bit to grab a few quality players early…they certainly have the capital to do so.

Using the buck shot technique also doesn’t hamstring an organization on a miss like moving into the top 5 does. If a late first or second is a miss it’s just a cheap QB contract for depth in these days when marginal vet QBs get paid so well.
 
You will get pulled over…. .if it’s a motorcycle you’re riding.
I don’t know about if you’re drunk and riding a horse.

One lesson I learned about drinking and driving…don’t..,because you may spill some on yourself.
I don't know about your part of the world, but in my part of the world, it doesn't matter what your mode of transport, if you are over .05 BAC on a public road whilst being the operator you are in trouble. It includes horses and bicycles as well as motorised transport.
 
It very well may be

But just because they’ve only landed two franchise QBs that were both early picks does not mean that that will be the correct move this coming draft

Every draft scenario is different

It’s not like they’ve taken a bunch of later first that have missed in the SB era

They’ve only swung what, 4 times? Malone and Pickett vs Bradshaw and Roethlisberger

That’s a fairly small sample size

Seems they may want to think about swinging more frequently to avoid their current situation in the future. Being a bit proactive when they have a QB rather than reactive to being phucked
didn't mean to imply that the Steelers should move up in the 26 draft, but rather that after KFP disappointing at 20th, they are likely to get pressure from above to move much closer to 10 or even higher.
 
I don't know about your part of the world, but in my part of the world, it doesn't matter what your mode of transport, if you are over .05 BAC on a public road whilst being the operator you are in trouble. It includes horses and bicycles as well as motorised transport.
A quick Google search says some states do have DUI laws if you’re riding a horse.
In Ohio where I live you can get a DUI only if you’re drunk steering a horse pulling a buggy, but not if you’re riding one.

We have a lot of drunk Amish in Ohio.
 
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