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This should finally end this debate...

They obviously feel they have their man they fielded all the calls they wanted to hear and there is no need to wait. These calls aren't started and done within minutes. They are cultivated over days before the draft. These guys are talking way before they are on the clock.
 
They obviously feel they have their man they fielded all the calls they wanted to hear and there is no need to wait. These calls aren't started and done within minutes. They are cultivated over days before the draft. These guys are talking way before they are on the clock.

Do you discount the scenario that I laid out as impossible?
 
For instance this is the trade up for Troy.


Draft dealings

Polamalu knew a lot was riding on his pro day outing.

He had missed the Orange Bowl and suffered through what he referred to as “an injury-plagued senior season.” He had put in long hours with trainers making sure he was at his best when the scouts arrived en masse. He had heard rumblings that the Steelers and Ravens were two teams particularly high on him (Colbert wouldn’t want to consider what it would have been like having to face Baltimore for a decade with Ed Reed, the Ravens top pick in 2002, and Troy Polamalu as their safety pairing).

“I remember my agent saying before my pro day that I was going to go late first or be a second-round pick,” Polamalu said. “But he also told me you really can’t rely on any of those estimations. When I visited Baltimore, their defensive backs coach Dennis Thurmond, he was my defensive backs coach at USC, and he said Pittsburgh had interest in me (in the first round). And he really liked for Ed and I to play together in Baltimore, but to draft two safeties would have tough for (general manager) Ozzie Newsome to do at the time.”

The more the Steelers studied Polamalu the more they fell in love with him, and he ultimately ended up with a top-10 grade on their board. So when the Chargers, who needed safety help after losing Rodney Harrison in free agency, passed on him, it was time for Colbert and the Steelers to pounce. They did plenty of homework ahead of time that April, lining up potential trade partners.

“We really didn’t think he’d get to 27,” Colbert said.

Through his preliminary work he knew the Chiefs, at pick 16, were looking to trade down (targeting that same Larry Johnson later in the round; had the Steelers stayed at pick 27 and Polamalu been drafted elsewhere, Johnson very likely would have been Pittsburgh’s pick, too). Cowher had a strong relationship with Chiefs GM Carl Peterson, and they spoke several times in the days leading up to the draft, working out the intricacies of the trade the morning of the draft.

“I told Carl, listen, if the player we want is here (at pick 16), then we’ll do this deal,” Cowher recalled. “So we came to an agreement. And he said, ‘I know who you want.’ And I go, ‘OK, whatever.’” Peterson feared the Steelers were moving up to get his back, but, alas, Johnson was destined to go 27th regardless.

Pittsburgh dealt a third-round pick and a sixth-round pick to get to 16 – those Chiefs’ picks were eventually used on Julian Battle and Brooks Bollinger – and the Steelers had their man.


Process started way before the draft.
 
Looking at what Ant and Dave are saying, both of your points have merit and are not mutually exclusive.

Ant, I think Dave fully understands that most of the trade talks are done prior to the draft and that the parameters of trades have been hashed and rehashed enough to give a team an idea if a trade up or down is viable.

However, and correct me if I'm wrong, all Dave is saying is that there is always the possibility of a surprise. Some GM sees a player that they really covet dropping like a dead fly. A player they didn't even cosider would be close to being within reach. They start working the phones trying to put together a last minute trade agreement before the guy is picked by another team, drafting ahead of them, that they know wants and could use that same player. There is, under the concept of supply and demand, an opportunity to fleece that GM.

So, waiting a few moments longer to see if that might be the case won't hurt much if you already know who it is you want and you believe that player would be available later in the draft. Or if you have several guys rated equally as BPA that can help your team.
 
Looking at what Ant and Dave are saying, both of your points have merit and are not mutually exclusive.

Ant, I think Dave fully understands that most of the trade talks are done prior to the draft and that the parameters of trades have been hashed and rehashed enough to give a team an idea if a trade up or down is viable.

However, and correct me if I'm wrong, all Dave is saying is that there is always the possibility of a surprise. Some GM sees a player that they really covet dropping like a dead fly. A player they didn't even cosider would be close to being within reach. They start working the phones trying to put together a last minute trade agreement before the guy is picked by another team, drafting ahead of them, that they know wants and could use that same player. There is, under the concept of supply and demand, an opportunity to fleece that GM.

So, waiting a few moments longer to see if that might be the case won't hurt much if you already know who it is you want and you believe that player would be available later in the draft. Or if you have several guys rated equally as BPA that can help your team.

That is exactly how I see it. Thanks.
 
I understand what Dave is saying. I think with Jarvis though they had him very high on their board. I don't think they were going to trade past him. Unfortunately he hasn't justified that ranking. Same for DeCastro. They were actually trying to trade up for DeCastro. I understand what you're saying Dave. No issues. Maybe this is the year we see them milk the clock a bit cause who the hell knows who will be available this year with the lack blue chippers and all strange happenings.
 
You don't kick a field goal with 10 minutes left in a game and expect to win. It's poor clock management I tells ya!
 
Back to the topic at hand here. Vader just try and take the high road next time. The personal insults will not be tolerated on here any longer. Since you were provoked you're safe. But please let's keep it to the topic or this thread gets locked.
 
So, waiting a few moments longer to see if that might be the case won't hurt much if you already know who it is you want and you believe that player would be available later in the draft. Or if you have several guys rated equally as BPA that can help your team.

People react differently at the last minute too, it's a pressure situation. A GM may begin to doubt himself as the clock ticks away and then all of a sudden they change their mind. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it and this never happens, but I find it hard to believe that everything is decided before teams are on the clock. If that was the case, why do so many other teams milk the time?
 
it does bother me that the steelers send the pick up so quickly. You never know what a team may offer. They claim they always go best player available and don't get locked onto particular players, but then they run the card up there like an old lady with Bigno.

The steelers tend to pick loser in the round so they likely aren't going to get blockbusters, but it's very common for teams to trade into the last 1st to get a second pick for a particular player. What's the harm in waiting to see if the phone rings with a great offer?

This year could be a great year to trade back. The needs are OLB and CB. Colbert has already said how deep OLB is in this draft. He all but said that OLB will more likely be the 2nd pick than the first. Let's say the top CBs are gone and the steelers still have 4 or 5 OLBs they like on their board.

That's a perfect spot to trade back. There are a bunch of top WR prospects. If 4 WRs are off the board by the steelers pick there may be several teams looking to trade up in front of teams like the Panthers, Ravens or Pats who have a need at WR.
 
I wanted to show you're an idiot , and I did. Success! Please keep going this is great for my Karma status, I'm getting more and more every time I ***** slap you into using the word diatribe again.
You're act is so over done, I'm surprised you haven't pulled out the word "ilk" that you're so fond of using.
The only thing you bring to the board is comedy. Predictable comedy every time someone disagrees with you or shows what an *** you are.
When your woman walked out on you at least she left you the computer. Silver lining.

ALLLL this because you couldn't stand to have a correct fact about Vrabel thrown up at you. It's a pattern with you. Ask Andrewjosh.

There was no fact about Vrabel. Just you wanting to stir ****. Which is all you do on here. I know you and your group always trade karma. Makes no difference to me. Obviously many on this board love when you provoke me and then the mods jump on me when I respond. Typical childish **** again from you. Strange they never say anything to the people that provoke this ****.

BTW I love you little doll picture... I'm sure she does you well at night....
 
There was no fact about Vrabel. Just you wanting to stir ****. Which is all you do on here. I know you and your group always trade karma. Makes no difference to me. Obviously many on this board love when you provoke me and then the mods jump on me when I respond. Typical childish **** again from you. Strange they never say anything to the people that provoke this ****.

BTW I love you little doll picture... I'm sure she does you well at night....

He received a 2 day vacation.
 
That is exactly how I see it. Thanks.

I'll have to second that and I'm in complete agreement. I especially liked the "Value in the Ticking Clock" scenario. Hell run to the podium and wait for a signal before turning the damn thing in, then you can have it both ways!
 
I'm just posting articles that are being written about the draft. Articles that shed light on conversations we've had on this site. Proud?? What for. Obviously you must of been one of the people who these articles were referring too Omar.

Ohhh Joshua. What'll we ever do with you?
 
thanks mods, thanks Vader I know we can all try and keep it more civil around here. We just have to focus our common hatred towards the real enemy: Bellicheat and his minions, and of course the ravens
 
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