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I'd say to 2010 was a very good draft:
- Antonio Brown, doesn't need any explanation
- Maurkice Pouncey: top 5 Center in the league
- Emmanuel Sanders: valuable slot receiver ( 6 TD 700 yards his last season on the team)
- Jason Worilds: he would have earned a starter spot with a 6 M/Y during FA but retired
That's 2 quality starters and 2 Blue chippers right there, way way above standard results on any draft. If we draft like that this year we are in the right direction
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I'm not sure what your definition of "slam dunk" is, but I'd say there were several draft classes pre-Tomlin that equaled or eclipsed anything the Colbert FO has since constructed in terms of impact.
2000: Plaxico Burress, Marvel Smith, Clark Haggans
2002: Kendall Simmons, Antwaan Randel El, Chris Hope, Larry Foote, Brett Keisel
2003: Troy Polamalu, Ike Taylor
2004: Ben Roethlisberger, Max Starks
All the above classes were better in terms of overall impact on the franchise than just about anything Tombert has come up with, and even the drafts that did not produce multiple standout players yielded first round picks like Casey Hampton, Heath Miller and Santonio Holmes.
Also, what happened to talent discovery in terms of undrafted players during the Tombert regime? Where are the Chris Hoke's, James Harrison's, Willie Parker's and Nate Washington's?
I think there has been a near night and day difference in talent evaluation and development since Cowher left, but that's just me.
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2010 was easily Tombert's best.
I got nothing
There you go again throw'n those facts around.
Very good point. You can't ask for much more than that. An all pro center, one of the best WR's in the game, a now very good starting WR in Sanders and a starting LB (although not as great as he thought he was). I'd take 4 starters, with 2 being All Pros, any day of the week.
Jason Worilds is not a good pick, neither was sanders while here!
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You can't see it like that, as a whole it was a great draft.
Please try finding another better than that around the league. It will surprise you that getting an all star and a starter is pretty much the standard, add in a couple of role players if it was a good draft
Sorry, in my opinion the 2000 draft was adequate. Plaxico, as much as some on here love the guy, was not a GREAT receiver during his time here. Marvel was a good LT and better than anything we have now, but not an outstanding talent. Haggans? Serviceable.
2002 was better. But other than Keisel, which player on here was indispensable or even so highly thought of by the Steelers that they tried hard to keep them around. None.
2003 draft was good in that they made a move to get Troy. Ike was a good CB for us; sometimes great. But he wasn't a GREAT CB.
In 2004, picking Ben was a no brainer. Although there are/were rumors that they considered not taking him. Starks was serviceable.
As we are so often reminded here on SteelerNation, the draft goes seven rounds and when you look at all the picks over Colbert's tenure, the drafts have been average. I think that you're right about a night and day difference in talent evaluation since Cowher left. I also think that Colbert was given more control over that process when a new, young coach was hired. I'm not saying that Tomlin didn't have say on some players, but I think Colbert had more control. Some point to the influx of 4-3, Tamp 2 type players when Tomlin arrived. Serious question; what type of defense did they run in Detroit when Colbert was part of that organization?
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You guys are funny. We haven't had a good draft in 8 years?
2010 was easily the best draft by the Steeler's in the last 15 years. Two 1st team All-Pro's in one draft?!
2004 is the only one which comes even close.
2010 was easily the best draft by the Steeler's in the last 15 years. Two 1st team All-Pro's in one draft?!
2004 is the only one which comes even close.
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Were you not around when all of the threads about Washington's skills were around? Peeps here couldn't wait for him to be gone.
As far as the Ben draft, I will again point to the stories surrounding that draft that a Rooney stepped in to get him drafted. If true, you can't really credit Colbert or Cowher for that pick.
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you know, they want a draft where they get:
- 1st Round: Ben Roethlisberger
- 2nd Round: Le´veon Bell
- 3rd Round: Hines Ward
- 4th Round: Ike Taylor (and some would complain...sigh)
- 5th Round Antonio Brown
- 6th Round: Brett Keisel
- 7th Round: Kelvin Beachum
I'll give you 2010 but then too there are only two players from it still on the team. So from the '08, '09, and '10 drafts combined you have two players left. Then we wonder why the depth sucks.
2011 - Heyward, Gilbert, and five jabronis.
2012 - Decastro, Beachum, and five jabronis.
2013 - Bell, Wheaton, and five jabronis.
2014 - Shazier (maybe), Tuitt (maybe), and five jabronis.
Exactly one good defensive player listed above.
2011 - Heyward, Gilbert, and five jabronis.
2012 - Decastro, Beachum, and five jabronis.
2013 - Bell, Wheaton, and five jabronis.
2014 - Shazier (maybe), Tuitt (maybe), and five jabronis.
Exactly one good defensive player listed above.
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B- draft... Not enough defensive talent
If we are being honest, Colbert and Tomlin have been at least average at drafting. Colbert certainly is batting way above average on the offensive side of the ball, and slightly below average on the defensive side of the ball. I mean, what team (besides the Seahawks) is knocking it out the park in the draft year after year? I mean take a look at Beli's draft history!
My only issue, which Del has even addressed, is our cap management. Not locking in guys early enough before they break out or keeping old guys for far too long. Which makes it far more difficult when you are 'a player or two away' and need to be active in FA.
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Not to nit pick, but..
2014- Martavis Bryant is certainly not a jabroni
2013- Vince Williams is certainly not a jabroni; Shmarko? Time will tell
2012- Spence and Adams are solid depth players- Maybe assign them half a jabroni
2011- You got me here
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B- draft... Not enough defensive talent
If we are being honest, Colbert and Tomlin have been at least average at drafting. Colbert certainly is batting way above average on the offensive side of the ball, and slightly below average on the defensive side of the ball. I mean, what team (besides the Seahawks) is knocking it out the park in the draft year after year? I mean take a look at Beli's draft history!
My only issue, which Del has even addressed, is our cap management. Not locking in guys early enough before they break out or keeping old guys for far too long. Which makes it far more difficult when you are 'a player or two away' and need to be active in FA.
yeap, I undertand criticism towards Tomlin and Colbert in general as they are not so good year in and year out on draft day but to not recognize 2010 as a great draft??? well that's just too much Haterade
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OTOH, while Gilbert is a starter, he ought to get, at least, 1/2 jabroni status.
Hard to give Spence any jabroni status. Severe injuries sidelined him and you can't blame drafting analysis for that. The fact that he put in the work to get back on the playing field, at all, ought to get him out of Jabroni status.
I get that Spence was severely injured and sometimes bad luck bites you in the *** but he hasn't developed into a full-time decent player yet and it remains to be seen if he will.
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That's a great draft.
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Even if he never does, if it is because of injury, I don't think it is fair to downgrade the draft because of it. He's only had 1 year to actually play. No amount of film study orpractice can replace those lost years. His injuries were severe and seems as if they almost have to hinder his development.
Frankly, I don't think we can ever know if he just wasn't good enough or injuries ****** him.
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I don't say we a re a bad team either but the Steelers defense is really lacking for us to win in our division or to go far in the playoffs. We don't seem to start players from the draft so how do we make the defense at least better than to give up a TD as against Tampa in 44 seconds. We have lost our swagger on defense,on hitting people . Our power ranking is 7 hard to believe with schedule we have this coming year and holes on defense.
Hey! Easy on the Robert Morris jokes....
Fine institution...now if he was a Pitt alum.....I would concur...
